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also bb people let me know if i'm wrong in rooting for keanu to win now

i thought it would be better if he got his comeuppance before the end but now that this twist has killed the season i just want the most absurd and dumb ending to come to fruition (okay thats probably kelley winning somehow but that won't happen in any capacity)

i dont even watch big brother but i follow on twitter and uh.

this is like if the god-awful do-or-die twist on survivor 41/42 actually eliminated a player. and that player was cirie.

also i'm not particularly fond or rachel (seems like she was pretty compelling and good this season) but nobody should be eliminated from the game this way. they just killed a season that was (largely, i think) pretty good, for...why?

Also I somehow missed this directly but Gumshoe finishing below Ema is absolutely insane

Phoenix is too important and excellent in the trilogy and even aa4 for me to seriously argue for a demotion but he is so absurdly bad in spirit of justice, a complete abandonment of any character and principles he has up untilp this point, that it makes the point fairly. Anytime you are him in a courtroom in aa6 frustrates me endlessly. This is a guy who haps honed his craft to the point in aa2 where he is a force to be reckoned with. He has "aura" and is running things in the background of aa4. Why is he perpetually lost and stammering? Why does he have no clue of what's going on with foreign justice systems when that's specifically part of his work at the end of aa4? I know these games have different writers but the Phoenix of aa6 is not functionally Phoenix and it for the most part ruins the game for me and takes me out of basically anything involving the khurain trials, outside of the better parts of 6-5's ending.

Maya is my #1 ace attorney character and I am pleased that someone's garbage ranking didn't stop her from what is the "correct" placement of 3rd. Also what the hell is Ema doing in 6th lmao. Otherwise this mostly seems about right and makes sense

engarde, adrian, and de killer are all too low

2-4 is the best case of the series and its not even close. so many later cases try to emulate edgeworth vs phoenix from here and the writing is just not anywhere near where it needs to be to make it work. it's kind of insane how high concept 2-4 is and feels like it "effortlessly" succeeds at everything it does, when later cases try to mimic its moves in greater stakes and completely flop.

anyway enough complaining about characters who should all be in the top 20, time to complain about characters who shouldnt be in the top 20.

Trucy is really fun in aa4, does basically less than nothing in aa5, and then is redeemed in 6-2. I think if nothing else aa6 pleases me for its depiction of women characters who are just exceptionally competent, and trucy finally getting to have a showcase in game of just being a great magician feels so good and earned! The moment in the cross examination when you convince her to believe in herself over the prosecution's lies is everything.

Speaking of which, Rayfa is criminally low. I have spent this topic complaining about spirit of justice in service of defending by far its best character, the one thing really truly great to come from it, Rayfa herself. As with trucy, I think the silly tsundere gimmick works because Rayfa is not only a spoiled brat but also exceptionally skilled and smart. It makes the endgame turnaround feel earned and worthwhile...unlike most of the other twists in this game. Also the dance of devotion choreography is great and I watched the full thing every time.

MacArrowny posted...

Aura is definitely better than Dhurke.

maybe different people just like different things

Yes, some people are bad and wrong, I agree!

every time people talk about spirit of justice i feel like i accidentally played an entirely different game

honestly every time i have replayed or even revisited 1-3 i have appreciated it more. vasquez feels maybe overrated a bit, but the writing on that case is stellar and she meaningfully contributes to that.

aura blackquill is another character in 5-4/5-5 who could have been very good if they stuck the landing for this case at all but instead feels like a pool of missed potential. i think top 50 feels like a reach here, i still like her enough but i think the hostage situation never feels sincerely important enough to work as a plot device

i think the first half of 6-5 is possibly the worst case in the entire series!

on a weird tangent about 5-dlc, the case's odd timing in play order led me to a revelation about Bobby Fullbright: he's actually a pretty good lead detective character whose energy and design feels contrasting enough to everyone else to be worth existing. It's just a shame that the worst plot twist in the series kills any amount of positive vibes I have about his design and stops him from really getting to grow with the series in any fashion!

3-2 is still bad and ron delite is an annoying character. also it still bothers me like 20 years later that nobody gives a crap that you falsely get him off the hook for stealing shit as masque*demasque in the first half of the trial

Armie buff is a largely cute character but I think her gimmick is incredibly annoying and that half of the case is such trash that it annoys me she is still here

I just assume Maya won't actually be top 3 because nobody here has good taste lmao

The weak link of 1-5 but I still kind of like her anyway - Paratroopa1

Yeah this is exactly how I feel about angel Starr but she is still too high here lol

Klavier is just not a compelling character, ever. I think if 4-4 is actually written, like, half-decently, he has the bones of being something interesting there with him being prosecutor during Phoenix's death knell case and his relationship with his brother being tested but none of this is every really explored or works out to anything good. I also think it's a big part of his bad writing that his relationship with daryan and daryan getting found guilty also mostly amounts to nothing as well

FFDragon posted...

No shitpost, I've played every game, my list isn't a troll in any way. Leon's more correct though, the series isn't in my top favorites or anything.

Spoilers I think Hobonix is the best version of him and I know I'm going to be fistfighting people on my bottom spot, but they're all my genuine opinions.

You don't have to be in 50 cases to be the best, you just have to maximize the time you do have. And for me, Viola does that better than any other character.

I'm with you on hobonix! And I notoriously hate what they did with Phoenix so much in spirit of justice that genuinely affects how much I like him as a character, despite all of aa1-4. I guess I just don't quite get playing all of the mainline games and enjoying them but not being compelled by any of the bigger characters enough to not rate even, say, a big villain like von karma over a tertiary character lol

Vera misham is a fun character, she is one of the better parts of 4-4 but I also found she didn't do as much as I remembered on replaying it last year

Viola at 1 is not a serious list lmao, how do you play 6+ games of this series and think "yeah the side character from this goofy case was the best one"

hell yeah uendo rules

also i completely forgot about paul atishon somehow, this is yet again this same character that ace attorney does every game and yes they once again are complete garbage. this half of 6-5 is one of the worst parts of any ace attorney game and outside of the character who nearly ruins spirit of justice by themselves they're the worst character in the case

I think 3-2 is a pretty bad case and Desiree is mostly nothing to me. The actual bad characters are still to come though

lotta hart and oldbag definitely too low. they arent perfect characters, of course, but playing the apollo trilogy recently after replaying the phoenix trilogy reminds me of how much (generally) better the writing is for the minor characters in the older games.

people really like spirit of justice a lot more than i do huh

6-5 being above 1-4 is just criminal

daryan crescend sucks ass lol. however bad 4-3 is, somehow he still manages to be the worst part of it.

i really like ellen. i think its basically the main saving grace of 6-dlc (which is not great but not nearly as bad as the hate for it)

5-dlc is a good case but everyone overhypes it and it made me expect too much for it lol

L'Belle would work better if the ace attorney series hadn't done this same character like 4 times already by then. I don't care if it's an early case in the game, please just do something else for the unlikeable villain already

i just watched season 1 of fargo and i could not get the mental image of colin hanks' character as mike meekins out of my head the entire time

i think wesley stickler still rated too highly. that said when i replayed aa4 last year he was thankfully a much lesser part than i remember and that case as a whole was a pleasantly surprise of being "okay" relative to what i had thought upon playing....15 years prior.

i dont like yoshi's island as a track. i cant really explain it, the theming is perfect and its still fine overall, but something about driving on it isnt super satisfying to me. the racing lines are not friendly or something. i dunno!

Melody motorway is definitely a better name. I like music park but it's also one of those levels I don't get excited about either. I think snes rainbow road is a good enough track that I don't find particularly plays well in 12p online on mk8e. The narrow margins make it feel like any item hit will not only ruin your drift line but potentially just send you off the edge and end your race

i think i like grumble volcano more than most and i still dont like it all that much. wild woods is great though

I was prepared to be super jazzed at the traitors casting until it was revealed michael Rapaport is on the cast. Dear God why do we need a zionist loser to waste space before he gets dumped after a couple of episodes, what the hell?

I do like dragon driftway but the optimal lines always feel a little messy and awkward for whatever reason. I think it's underrated but probably hits high B-tier if I actually made a list

Great picks. Rainbow road mk8 never gets love but thats s-tier for me. Yoshi circuit and neo bowser city are also top 10 or near top 10 tracks, great lines. Being difficult on 200cc is also a feature, not a bug, imho

rosalina's ice world is let down by the fact that the quarter-pipe (one-third pipe, maybe?) rules and feels like its own thing then is followed up by a level that does nothing for the better part of 60% of the rest of the course before the ending. this adds up to being...okay, i guess

i dont like animal crossing, i think its a very annoying course. mario circuit 3 rules though, i get it looks boring as hell but thats a good course. apparently the rumor is that it was the first ever track designed for smk on snes and thats why nintendo seems to have an inordinate appreciation for it. (its also a very good track!)

Paratroopa1 posted...

43. Moonview Highway

The music does a LOT of work here; it's just so energetic that it makes the track feel even faster than it is. I almost don't know why Shroom Ridge exists; maybe it's the more technical course of the two in actuality but this one is just more fun and cool. It's at nighttime! It has bob-omb cars! You drive through a toll gate, just like Tokyo Blur! There's boosts everywhere! I do think this track is surprisingly simple and not that challenging, but it doesn't matter too much; it's fast and fun.

i like both of these courses a lot but shroom ridge is a top 10 contender for me. that one just feels great and i always loved it in mkds too

well at least the worst track in the game was only 65th. level sucks ass though thank god its back in yet another mk game

dk summit is good! it has iconic music too. that said i think halfpipes have always felt like an awkward thing to exist in a kart racer and the courses in the booster course pass do not change my mind on this lol

knowing that mk world was being developed at the same time as tour and the booster course pass makes sky high sundae make a lot more sense to me. this was kind of like a placeholder version of a track better suited and more fitting for mk world physics!

mc3 is a great track. im sure its boring to some folks because its visually nothing but it has a satisfying layout, great drifting, and even some shortcut options. also think that mario circuit ds is a really underrated one because its also pretty visually blah. that S turn at the end is where dreams are made! (and go to die)

i mostly agree with this. the worst level in the game should have showed up by now though :)

i like n64 rainbow road but i dont feel particularly brave in saying this track would've been perfect if you got to run exactly 2 laps of it, and the criticism is very valid.

i suspect 39 got ignored for all the reasons you'd expect. janet would have crushed it though, she is in great shape and still keeps up with the show well

Gervase felt like the only real other returnee option from Borneo but he already had his big return in BvW. I wouldn't have minded seeing him again, and he would have helped contribute to the PoC initiative that they did not hit for 50, sadly.

I assume 3 tribes of 8 and double triple councils for a lot of the early game.

I think people tend to be hyperbolic online and there are too many complaints about specific omissions because no matter the cast, notably people would've been left off. But I don't think it's bad to say there are too many new era players and weirdly somehow still not the right ones. Where's Shan, Maryanne, Omar, Jesse, Yam Yam, or especially Carolyn? How did we end up with 11 from 45-49 and just one from 41-44?

That said I am a miserable and spiteful person and just because of all the complaining online I want to see Rick Devens kill it out there.

TheCapisBack posted...

Pretty much my thoughts.

His whole "arrest" story feels so fake and scummy so he was my worst remaining winner since the david boot. Oh well.

I know this may come as a shock but our prison/justice system is particularly unfair to black people. Kyle's story is not fake, scummy, nor unique, sadly.

Tbqh I think it was clear from what we saw of jury reactions that they wanted underdogs to make a move and kamilla was the one making anything happening and scrapping immunity wins. I still think it would've ended as a more compelling spectacle if Kyle and kamilla had to go head to head on the jury but it really seems like she had it on lock