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You probably had better chances if you didn't go after the player of the three you're mentioning that went so hard at Sultan but it's nice.

UltimaterializerX posted...

What is the case on Dumey or Red? Those are your only other two options.

There are four votes on your mason duo. Clearly this is incorrect.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Please just kill ctes with us and end the farce.

Hell Ill even let you lynch me tomorrow as a token of good faith, ok? Deal? We need to hit someone in the pile first and Im willing to work with you and Red. ctes today has only made the case he can make if hes scum, which is the silliness about us not actually being confirmed.

Like there are players that have agreed with the whole case and everyone but you and IGCD have agreed with parts of it.

Well then I will say that I can read Dumey and he is town.

I thought IGCD was town too, but faith would have it we might have to lynch him to confirm your alignment. That's the route Dumey and Death took and those are the two people I'm sure are town and either way we end up winning.

This is not insane psychic levels and you know that.

Stop saying doc saved when you know you were jailkept. Town Ulti knows there is a good case here and dismissing it shows how uncooperative and manipulative you're being.

Peaf is also absent from your post.

Yes if you're wrong what is your case? What does it tell you three people are saying they won't vote me for the Sultan interactions?

UltimaterializerX posted...

And Dumey I am 100% serious. I will let you lynch me tomorrow

Dumey, this is the same person that came firing at you both today and yesterday with his vote being removed once I called you town.

The use of the word confirmed in general needs to be revisited.

If you're confident in me being scum (not that you actually have presented a case) then why is there a tomorrow?

htaeD posted...

Btw Ulti was awfully quick to abandon Sultan as soon as he thought Peaf had a scan on him.

I don't think I mentioned this, it's a good point as well.

htaeD posted...

I would at least like to know where people stand on voting IGCD or Ulti if we decide to resolve them
From the sound of it, its Ulti. But we need to decide that clearly and early too.

Whoever after IGCD tied himself completely. I'll be around until deadline. Red is the only other player I would even consider but only if those two can't be lynched.

Is the strategy here unexplained votes on a player multiple people are saying they're not gonna vote for and try to spend as much time as possible answering questions to try to cause some last minute dumb decision?

PeaceFrog posted...

My preferences right now are ulti>red>dumey>else.

Pretty good order.

I'll be extremely surprised if Dumey is not just town vanilla.

Red, well, I'd also be surprised because og what I'm reading from him, but I will also say that I respect red enough to not clear him entirely based on that. I will say that in the multiverse where Ulti and IGCD are town. Red being the other scum is basically the only possible option to me.

Edit: typo

It's amusing to me they consider me the best bet here. Probably because I'm the biggest thorn.

Neither have also said a single word about why.

He said the double vote seemed sketchy and that was the first time anyone reacted to it. A post 1 thing.

It's not a huge thing but I fully read that post as Ulti sheeping, perhaps not seriously because it's the first post of the game. Its also the basically the only interaction between them.

To anyone considering not lynching Ulti (or IGCD for the reason Dumey mentioned). Now is the time to lay out an actual case. This also if not in particular goes for Ulti and IGCD who has not done so at all but just told us we're dumb mostly. Day is not that much longer. Last minute dumb decisions are exactly what scum is hoping for. Multiple people said they can't make the deadline. Now is the time.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Mostly because I have been really afk and response from me have been short and direct.

Short yes but direct most of the time not.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Okay Peaf is in the confirmed town pile because hes being silly and didnt actually read the flip.

The game is literally confirmed 2v8. Scum knows this. Town being lazy might miss it.

Oh, Peaf actually became confirmed town because of ignoring that detail.

UltimaterializerX posted...

No. Post 153 you hint at 2 scum.

Town could not possibly know this on day 1. In fact, on day 2, there was distinct lack of paranoia from anyone about potential mylo. Something was off all day and Sultans flip confirmed it. Ergo, the answer is among people who hinted at 2 scum before his flip.

This was on the current day.

EDumey posted...

Also this is the guy who said that scum has to be one of the people who mentioned only 2 scum as a possibility before Sultan's flip, lmao.

Yes, no one should have known that. Didn't Blade say 3/10 was the only option even.

It is also not true. Although it often takes a swing of actions going in a very particular way, we have had larger games than this have mylo possible on d2. I think Sultan hosted a game once where it was possible for town to lose without even getting the chance to lynch, or at least it was at most only once.

Speaking of Blade, guess who fits the bill of shooting him n1. Not that it tilts anything to one side or the other.

Since time is running a bit short. What other options do you consider?

Does it matter when they got paired?

Conditions can be many things. They might be different depending on the alignment of IGCD's choice.

It's not that it's boring to speculate, but there are literally countless options, it does not feel worth it.

Who do you think has played the least towny?

Oh, that is not the same thing at all, Death.

In this case, the mafia can also lose day 2.

If I had design a game of 10 I would probably have trouble picking between 2 or 3, so there being conditions honestly checks out.

htaeD posted...

3/7 is the same as 6/10

I've read this a few times and I don't get it.

Also I want it down somewhere, that if I'm completely off here, IGCD and Ulti, you both made some pretty bad moves using your abilities immediately day 1.

Which is obviously part of why I've said I believe Ulti was just eager to try to "confirm" himself and IGCD wouldn't actually die.

EDumey posted...

If anything, Ctes, shouldn't our priority be to vote out IGCD instead of Ulti then. Whether he's an original scum with a recruit ability, or some third party, IGCD is the one with power and Ulti is likely a vanilla recruit at this point.

Like there's no scenario you are imagining where IGCD is town telling the truth, and scumUlti has somehow deceived him. Because of the die if recruiting anti-town claim.

I considered this too, yeah, and I'm all for that after he tied himself fully. I just feel extremely confident Ulti has to be Sultan's partner because I cannot see who that could otherwise be.

EDumey posted...

The only thing that really gives me pause about IGCD is how painfully drawn out his claim was taking place over multiple posts with incomplete info. It has the same exact vibes of Sultan claiming one part of a watcher role, then adding more detail to it later as convenient. Why did Ulti just claim masons at the start instead of clarifying that IGCD was Mason recruiter? Why did IGCd not give the incredibly important info that he dies if recruiting anti-town from the beginning?

The case against IGCD/Ulti here is that they simply didn't think through the specifics of the Mason claim at first. Ulti needed to spill the beans as soon as I put him at -1. And they added the necessary details as they went.

Add this on top of my points #397. The pro town move here is to put everything on the table and hesitate very little, and I'm not sure what pro town things they have done otherwise. For the record, I refuse to believe Ulti needed to ask Wallz on day 3 whether it was fully confirmed, he would have figured so long ago, but that was likely another hiccup in this cover. Nothing this day read two towns being confident about what their mason relationship is.

And honestly, I thought it was 3/7 to begin with, seemingly more people did based on their posts. Yes, it's mylo day 2, but remember that this is a smaller game than we're used to, same things don't apply. So if posibility to lose day 2 is what's stopping you from something, then I would say not to worry about that.

No, then having Ulti around would be crucial or at least good for whatever win condition he then has.

Lots of recruiters, cults, lovers, whatever it is called overrules mafia team. It doesn't really matter specifically, I'm not saying IGCD and Sultan were ever alligned.

To the rest, I know there are a lot of destup details here that you're dwelling on. The flips we have so far, other than the vanilla one, are not exactly simple roles you figure out are there. Neither is Death's protection claim. I think you need to accept that you can't fully figure the setup out, but you don't have to. The simple answer is still a person unlikely to draw a shot from anyone was blocked and the was no kill.

On top of that, Ulti is not being understanding or coorporation at all basically. If Ulti is town, he knows that it's against him that he was jailkept. He knows that is IGCD being etremely flaky about everything regarding to the role is against him. He knows he swing the vote away from mafia day 1. He knows he is not someone likely to be shot at night 2 at all. He is dismissing all these things entirely, not acknowledging them at all. His posts are quite manipulative in that sense, because he is constantly ignoring everything and speaking if his case is completely confirmed and should be to anyone. He is not making any actual scumcases on anyone himself, but is flip flopping around on multiple people, not considering how likely they look to be paired to Sultan. He is doing nothing but laughing at the case against him, which is also manipulative because it tries to paint a picture that there isn't a case and that you're dumb for considering it.

I think the simple answer if you consider mechanics is that Ulti and IGCD are lying. We can paint tons of scenarios, most of the time it's better to not overthink and go with the simple case. If not, just try to look at the game people have had.

Because suggesting I don't think Ulti is scum at this point of the day is making any conversation we could have feel meaningless.

Not only have I not said so, I have said the opposite I don't know how many times. Are able to read more than the last few posts one of these times you post in?

I don't believe you die on scum recruitment.

This is coming from the person who went after people for suggesting 2 mafia before we had Sultan's flip.

Edit: autocorrect wrote from instead of for

UltimaterializerX posted...

Sultans flip confirms

You know what, never mind. I cant.

That he had one partner when he received the PM. You know that.

I'm inclined to believe IGCD is the third faction he himself claimed likely exists.

Also that there is a larger if than you are implying. Because if it's really just one scum left against 6 town, then you take the gambit and shoot towarss unclaimed perceived town.

That only thing you can think of has a lot of ifs.

The sad part of that was that Squall doesn't really get that exposure many places in tbe bracket. But he got to be who Zelda smashed in to claim NN strength.

Oh not at all and I would a lot in chat. But that post being one of few from him in topic at the end of the day when no one is joking isn't the best timing, in particular when it's the explanation today after you have been jailkept.

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Yeah that's fair. I also have a lot respect for these contests and what they have meant but I doubt anything could take that away.

I think I'd just dismiss the results but still have my fun.

If IGCD is town that is mason recruiter by traditional use then he opening his game by a very anti town play.

He also did "not read the room" day 2 by "memeing".

Also this spending so long today before full claiming wasn't very pro town either.

Don't see the harm

htaeD posted...

Yes, but it lessens the idea that he was recruited after that happened.

Where does than even lead us? If this is a discussion about whether they are lying or if there is a scum recruiter then go for then either way?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Kill everyone who doesnt read flips on general principle.

Amusing.

I read good chat everyone as a figure of speech, I can see it as a hint. I don't think it matters though. No one is saying that we don't believe they have a chat?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Who is watching me night 2 when the watcher was dead

Something something about not reading flips?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Night 1.

And IGCD was clearly memeing D2 guys. Read the room.

It's not exactly a time to meme so maybe he should have read the room then.

htaeD posted...

Also IGCD would be the type to get himself killed before doing or leaving useful for town.

Given how humble he was about joining I would be a bit surprised.

PeaceFrog posted...

In that line of thought, wouldn't "no one would watch ulti n2" be a valid reason to shoot him?

He would be a mislynch option in any case where he is town that night. If you fear powers to an extend where you shoot your mislynch options, you shoot for someone that could be those powers. In other words, it would be shooting the only person that could not be said watcher.

PeaceFrog posted...

My first instinct is still to suspect that you two are somehow in cahoots together, and this is the only explanation that can get people off your backs after the initial attempt fizzled.

This is good.