Lurker > Scotty_Rogers

As for the Jedi, he watched Anakin kill a couple of Jedi on a grainy security camera feed and that's it.

"That's it" he said, dismissing the deaths of literal children.

Keep arguing in bad faith.

Obi-Wan was not close to Padme and had no reason to care about them.

Obi-Wan did care about Padme and considered her a friend. When she died, he was visibly shaken up.

Luke coming back to see the charred remains of the only family he had ever known and his boyhood home on fire, watching his mentor die, his childhood friend die, his partner die, much of his squadron and teammates die (twice) trumps whatever you want to bring up for Obi-Wan.

Obi-Wan watched the deaths of his mentor and several Jedi he knew, including children that he was close to. The Jedi were like his family and he returned to the temple to find many of them dead.

The Clone Wars amounted to Palpatine playing a gigantic game of Warhammer against himself, declaring himself the winner, and taking control of the galaxy. Given that the combatants were composed almost entirely of automata, there's little reason to care about any of them.

The Jedi aren't automata.

More to the point, the "bad guys" didn't win the Clone Wars, because there were no good guys or bad guys in that war

The Jedi were, in fact, the good guys. Just because they were manipulated doesn't put them on the bad side.

Fights a couple of Sith Lords (always with at least one Jedi accompanying him, unlike Luke)

He fought Dooku alone the first time. He fought Vader alone, twice. Grievous was just as dangerous as a Sith lord, too, and he fought him alone. He also fought Maul alone in their rematches.

and gets captured trying to spy on Geonosis before being put in an arena (again, with another Jedi as backup) and eventually getting bailed out by the rest of the order.

Nearly got killed, just as he did when his Clones turned on him during Order 66. And those ten times Anakin saved him during the war. But sure, write up a wall of text for Luke and brush off everything Obi-Wan did.

There is absolutely no sign that the Jedi are regularly called upon to resolve violent situations.

Anakin and Obi-Wan were just coming back from resolving a border dispute at the start of Episode 2. The fact Jedi of all people would be summoned for anything implies local police and law enforcement weren't enough, which in turn implies danger. Like that time he and Anakin fell into a nest of gundarks.

Which Obi-Wan himself paints as no big deal, so it certainly doesn't sound like this is the height of danger.

Gundarks are vicious carnivorous mammals that eat humans. Falling into a nest of them is definitely dangerous.

I'm not saying Luke's life was easier than Obi-Wan's

''Luke wins that contest, hands down", "trumps whatever you want to bring up for Obi-Wan''

Stop the cap. ''oh noes he used the term cap like a Fortnite kid'' Giving old boomer vibes here.

I'm not making the argument that Luke's life was easier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciG0FvIUxKM

Makes you wonder how much more effective it could have been if Yoda and Obi-Wan hadn't fucked off to go mope for two decades.

What part of "they were wanted men so they couldn't move freely" do you not understand? Right, all of it.

So you think that all of those people and all that military tech just "appeared" after 20 years?

"I'm gonna try putting words in his mouth and hope no one will notice"

No. Again, Bail was actually out there building the rebellion for 20 years.

And it was only 20 years later that the Rebellion became big enough to stand a chance. If Obi-Wan and Yoda had come out of hiding to help them out before, they'd have been killed.

Safer with two elderly farmers than with a Jedi with a laser sword?

Let's see.

Two Jedi who are being hunted.
Two random farmers who aren't being hunted.

Next.

A thought exercise for you (which I already posed and you ignored, so try again): what happens to Luke if he's left with Owen and Beru, and Obi-Wan gets caught and executed?

As long as Obi-Wan hides, he won't have to worry about being caught. Yet you want him to do the one thing that would result in him being caught, namely, coming out of hiding.

If you're still clinging to this delusion of Obi-Wan just "waiting for the right time" to execute his brilliant plan, it really makes no difference whether Luke is with him or not

It makes a difference. Obi-Wan will be just fine on his own if he hides. A little kid won't be safe living with Obi-Wan, who can barely provide for himself.

Your argument that Obi-Wan was doing all this to keep Luke safe might hold a little more water if, y'know, they didn't give Luke the "Skywalker" name, ensuring that if he ever crossed Vader's notice (or anyone else "in the know" enough to know the identity of the Emperor's enforcer), he was about to have the entire galaxy coming after him.

It wasn't Obi-Wan's decision for Luke to go by "Skywalker". It was Beru and Owen's decision out of respect for Shmi.

Obi-Wan lived in a spacious, well-furnished home, dressed in clean, well-maintained clothes, and did not in any way seem to be "struggling" to make ends meet.

Bro was living in a crappy little hut in the middle of nowhere, wearing the same clothes he had been wearing for decades, only had enough food to feed himself, and lived near Tusken Raiders. Not any place for a kid.

Didn't seem to stop any of the other rebels.

They can rebel in secret a lot more easily than Obi-Wan and Yoda can, considering they would only be branded as criminals if they're found out. Obi-Wan and Yoda are already branded as criminals.

Turducken posted...

Ashoka is that fanfic character you came up with that secretly saved the galaxy a million times from even bigger threats that the stupid REAL heroes never heard of and is totally best friends with them even though they never mention her and has like an awesome unique lightsaber and fighting style and force powers and ship and

XD

With Arms Wide Oh Pun

Ahsoka

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

Uh... rescued a man from execution without trial? That's a GOOD THING bro.

Another thing, there was no point in trying Palpatine. He had the courts rigged, as Windu pointed out, so he'd get acquitted despite being guilty as shit. Furthermore, Palpatine had resisted arrest and murdered three Jedi. Windu was 100% correct to kill him; he was too dangerous to keep alive.

darkknight109 posted...

Again, you're using words I don't think you understand, since you have yet to point out a single fallacy or lie in anything I've said.

I have. You just refuse to accept facts and that you're wrong on everything you've said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI

Oh yes, it must have been extremely harrowing and traumatic for Obi-Wan to watch

His fellow Jedi get slaughtered during the war? Absolutely. As well as several allies.

[Luke] watches his childhood friend die

And Obi-Wan watched his pupil kill children and cause Padme to die. Next.

the clone wars were peanuts compared to the actual conflict that was the GCW.

The Clone Wars resulted in the Great Jedi Purge and the Empire starting. The bad guys won.
The GCW resulted in the Empire falling and the Republic being restored. The good guys won.

So, which war was worse? Next.

Not much of a resume you've put together there.

He's been in many more life-and-death situations than Luke, who only participated in a few battles during the GCW.

You implied that he had "decades" of fighting as a Jedi under his belt

Which he did. The Jedi are regularly hired to resolve conflicts, many of which are violent or dangerous. Like that time Anakin saved Obi-Wan when they fell into a nest of gundarks, which was in between Episodes 1 and 2, mentioned in the latter.

It's not backpedalling to say that your argument is wrong even if we ignore the problems with its premise.

It's backpedaling when you change arguments. You've been arguing that Luke's life was harder than Obi-Wan's this whole time. Now you suddenly want to switch it up to Luke being unprepared because his life wasn't as hard. Can't have it both ways.

the Alliance started at the end of RotS.

''An alliance of three people'' Next.

By the time of Rogue One, which takes place before ANH

Rogue One is just before New Hope. It took 20 years for the Rebellion to become big enough.

The only reason Luke was with Owen and Beru in the first place was because Obi-Wan asked it of them.

Best not to raise a kid in the outskirts. He was safest with Beru and Owen.

And Obi-Wan's a wanted man? Who gives a shit?

"Who gives a shit" he asked, not realizing that if Obi-Wan gets captured while he's raising a child, that child would be left by himself on a desert planet and probably sold to a slave owner or killed by Tusken Raiders. Actually, he'd be captured and executed alongside Obi-Wan if anyone found out he was a Jedi in training.

According to the Jedi themselves, the ''time was right'' for Luke's training when he was a toddler

A toddler isn't safe with wanted criminals. Jedi weren't being hunted in the past. It's hard enough for Obi-Wan to make ends meet for himself. He's in no position to train or raise a kid.

an alliance of three people isn't going to do shit - that's why you fucking go out and recruit more people.

You don't seem to realize that when you're a wanted criminal, you can't freely move around to "recruit more people".

Why do you think Yoda and Obi-Wan were hiding in the first place? "Because they just wanted to sit on their asses" No, because they were wanted criminals. Bail wasn't wanted, so he could move however he wanted to.

Why not?

Because they no longer have the backing of the Republic, are wanted criminals and Jedi are being hunted. If anyone finds out Luke's a Jedi in training, he's in trouble.

Obi-Wan had already trained a padawan from childhood

Yes, long before Jedi were being hunted.

OK... so maybe Yoda could have picked a more child-friendly remote planet? Like Ach-To? Or Dantooine?

If there was a better planet that Yoda could have picked, then he would have. Neither Ach-To nor Dantooine existed in the prequels or OT; you can't defend the sequel trilogy and criticize Yoda if his actions only look stupid due to retcons that the sequel trilogy made.

Or Lah'mu, where Galen Erso retired to?

And was captured and killed on. Next.

Or, hell, he could have joined Obi-Wan on Tatooine for all it mattered

Obi-Wan is a human. Yoda is a little green old man, so he wouldn't blend in.

You act like there was literally nothing they could do but sit in their respective huts, waiting around and doing nothing.

Their options were limited when there was a manhunt for them.

It literally was their problem

Not when they're literally wanted men who can't move freely, no.

Also, I looked up Obi-Wan's age during the time of A New Hope, and he's 57.

Far removed from his prime and now weaker than Vader, as we see when they fight one last time. He needed Luke's help.

Can't say I ever had that sort relationship with my father

Don't care how well you and your dad get along. It's very typical for fathers and sons to have rocky relationships.

nor did I ever have a mental breakdown about how "jealous" he was of my amazing talents

Except Anakin's mental breakdown wasn't over Obi-Wan. It was over his mother dying and he was blaming others for it in grief. This is you arguing in bad faith once again.

Obi-Wan is Anakin's mentor, not his father.

Anakin saw him like a father, hence ''You're the closest thing I have to a father'' and ''He is like my father''.

The two didn't even meet until Anakin was nine - a bit old to be forming a full paternal bond.

Anakin saw him like a father, anyway.

They continue their usual bickering onboard the Invisible Hand

Minor brotherly banter. Anakin follows Obi-Wan's instruction much better than he did before, as shown by when he actually listens when Obi-Wan says they'll fight Dooku together. In episode 2, he ignores Obi-Wan's advice completely and charges in by himself, which results in Dooku beating both of them one-on-one. In episode 3, Anakin no longer does stupid shit to screw them up and Obi-Wan isn't scolding him every second.

After the mission is over, they're praising each other, and Obi-Wan thanks Anakin for saving his life again.

Lucas clearly intended for Anakin and Obi-Wan to be close, and has them *talk* about how close they are all the time, but that's not what we actually see on-screen.

You feeling their relationship was badly written is irrelevant. The fact of that matter is that they both cared deeply about each other.

Like, do you even know what that phrase actually means?

Arguing with intent to deceive. That's exactly what you're doing when you pretend Anakin and Obi-Wan didn't give a shit about each other.

They were close. If they weren't, it would have been shown and it wasn't.

It was shown that they weren't close. Kylo never hesitates when he tries to kill Luke. He hesitates to kill Han before tearfully doing so. He doesn't even attempt to kill Leia. That tells you he was only close to his parents, not his uncle.

The rage that Kylo displayed there was evidence of the esteem he once had for Luke

Luke was just his role model because he was his master. That doesn't mean they had a close bond; Kylo just wanted to make his uncle proud. Then, he found out the uncle he wanted to make proud tried killing him. Of course he hates his ass. Hating someone doesn't mean you were ever close to them.

Just as Kylo was consumed by guilt for killing Han, so too did Luke know that he would feel that same guilt for killing him

Luke didn't know shit. Kylo wouldn't feel one bit bad about killing someone who once tried to kill him. He loved his mother and father even after turning to the dark side, whereas he had nothing but hatred for Luke.

Saying Kylo clearly hated Luke based on his rage at him at the end of TLJ is like saying that Luke clearly hated Vader based on his furious attack on him at the end of their duel in RotJ.

Cap. Luke was reluctant to fight Vader at first and he stopped himself from killing his father in the end. Kylo never stopped trying to kill Luke until he realized he wasn't even there, at which point he went mad over being fooled.

Obi-Wan did not push Anakin into darkness.

He blamed himself all the same.

Ricemills posted...

Who the fuck thinks a name that sounds like "kid fister" is a good idea?

George Lucas

darkknight109 posted...

Yeah, this movie is awful...

@darkknight109 "But Last Jedi is good" XD

I closed my eyes, begin to pray
Then tears of joy stream down my face

Yazarogi posted...

I liked the Prequel trilogy a lot, and the sequel trilogy

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/297c4b0c.jpg

with arms wide opun

still hasn't watched them

Remember in AOTC when Obi-Wan jumped out of a window to grab a flying droid right after telling Anakin not to be reckless lol

If supplemental material is needed for people to understand your film, then you failed as a filmmaker lol

Foppe posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f25dec81.jpg
The Force is one helluva drug.

he was on death sticks

DD_Divine posted...

In the book didnt Kit Fisto get decapitated and Anakin comments that Kits head still looked like it was smiling while it was on the floor or something

way too edgy

that book is so overrated

After returning from rescuing Palpatine around the start of the Episode 3
OBI-WAN: Oh no. I'm not brave enough for politics. I have to report to the Council. Besides, someone needs to be the poster boy.
ANAKIN: Hold on, this whole operation was your idea. You planned it. You led the rescue operation. You have to be the one to take the bows this time.
OBI-WAN: Sorry, old friend. Let us not forget that you rescued me from the Buzz Droids. And you killed Count Dooku. And you rescued the Chancellor, carrying me unconscious on your back, and you managed to land that bucket of bolts safely . . .
ANAKIN: All because of your training, Master. You deserve all those speeches of your greatness.
OBI-WAN: . . . the endless speeches . . . Anakin, let's be fair. Today, you are the hero and you deserve your glorious day with the politicians.
ANAKIN: All right. But you owe me . . . and not for saving your skin for the tenth time . . .
OBI-WAN: Ninth time . . . that business on Cato Nemoidia doesn't count. I'll see you at the briefing.

After Anakin is tasked to spy on Palpatine
YODA: Too much under the sway of the Chancellor, he is. Much anger there is in him. Too much pride in his powers.
MACE: It's very dangerous, putting them together. I don't think the boy can handle it. I don't trust him.
OBI-WAN: He'll be all right. I trust him with my life.
MACE: I wish I did.
OBI-WAN: With all due respect, Master, is he not the Chosen One? Is he not to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force?
MACE: So the prophecy says.
YODA: A prophecy . . . that misread could have been.
OBI-WAN: He will not let me down.

Before Obi-Wan leaves to fight Grievous
ANAKIN: (continuing) Master, I've disappointed you. I have not been very appreciative of your training . . . I have been arrogant and I apologize . . . I've just been so frustrated with the Council. Your friendship means everything to me.
OBI-WAN: You are strong and wise, Anakin, and I am very proud of you. I have trained you since you were a small boy. I have taught you everything I know. And you have become a far greater Jedi than I could ever hope to be, and you have saved my life more times than I can remember. But be patient, Anakin. It won't be long before the Council makes you a Jedi Master.
ANAKIN: Obi-Wan, may the Force be with you.
OBI-WAN: Good-bye, old friend. May the Force be with you.

Obi-Wan sees footage of Anakin killing Younglings
OBI-WAN: It can't be . . . It can't be . . .
OBI-WAN watches in horror. Tears well up in his eyes.
OBI-WAN: I can't watch any more.
OBI-WAN switches off the hologram. The TWO JEDI stand in silence for a few moments.
YODA: Destroy the Sith, we must.
OBI-WAN: Send me to kill the Emperor. I will not kill Anakin.
YODA: To fight this Lord Sidious, strong enough, you are not.
OBI-WAN: He is like my brother ... I cannot do it.

After defeating Anakin
OBI-WAN: You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you.

Bro literally telling me that Anakin and Obi-Wan weren't close. Next.

Definitely a wasted character

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

The difference is Anakin needed Palps alive. He cares about the rules when it's convenient for him.

Right, it was just because he wanted him to help him save Padme. Bringing up the Jedi code was cap, he don't care about the code otherwise he wouldn't even be married lol fraud Jedi

boomgetchopped3 posted...

And this is one of the least shitty scenes in the entire PT. Only the opening of Revenge beats it.

The opening sure, but lol nah bro Anakin vs Obi-Wan is better than this poorly choreographed fight. Even Yoda vs. Sidious was better lol

El_Marsh posted...

You mean the wife that he wasn't supposed to have

I guess the sex was just too good

Windu dead ass got his revenge in Jumper lol
https://youtu.be/Bdqy_LBAR9s?si=CS1KU5svvWDS_fqZ

But it is funny how he's telling Windu it's not the Jedi way to kill Palpatine because he was defenseless even though he literally beheaded Dooku after cutting his hands off

Killing defenseless people in cold blood is only okay when he does it apparently

He just wanted to save his wife Padme from dying

Anakin just cut his hand off. Palpatine was the one who electrocuted him to death and threw him out the window

And the reason Anakin felt guilty was because he caused a fellow Jedi to die and the rest of the Council would never forgive him

https://youtu.be/TkLxWB2d82c?si=rUMVtPeepo7RGzU-
"I AM DA SENATE" he says in a cartoon ass voice.
Then he dives in like a goose got tagged in Mortal Kombat or some shit
That one fodder Jedi immediately gets killed like a clown, how did he not block that
The other two fodder Jedi quickly go down like clown too. Oh but at least Kit Fisto got to block a few hits. Remember Kit Fisto?
Windu may as well have just gone alone
The choreography is awkward as hell, they didn't even use a stunt double for Palpatine after he dives in

And OMG the faces and dialogue
https://youtu.be/w9KVIfpNG4w?si=qCnYCPXLCFJgv6IN
https://youtu.be/4WNbvMXWPuI?si=14-Xpy3_FHRI5VHM
https://youtu.be/BQOEsG4DiUo?si=wBLHNzpRVBwq0nsy
https://youtu.be/Pzs_s_5zgQk?si=1vwY1VWS9mrbGuAN (This my favorite right here)
https://youtu.be/Sg14jNbBb-8?si=h8LtJiCImZd9GDlo
https://youtu.be/C1H19lHpgi0?si=JPlS49KtvRNxtJnX

LMAO this movie fucking sucked

If he was a sea animal he'd be Joe Sea Lion

darkknight109 posted...
The Clone Wars lasted all of three years

And are only a portion of Obi-Wan's Jedi career. They were pretty damn bloody, too. Obi-Wan saw more shit there than Luke did in the whole Rebel vs. Empire war.

As for Obi-Wan's Jedi career, he served in an era of stability and peace right until the Clone Wars kicked off.

Battle of Naboo against Maul where Qui-Gon died.
Fighting Jango on Kamino.
Battle of Geonosis against Dooku and the Clone Army just before the war started. Several Jedi died there.

The Jedi weren't galactic warriors, they were monks who occasionally got sent in to mediate disputes

And apprehend and fight criminals when the need arises.

and Obi-Wan didn't even get his training wheels taken off until TPM.

He was literally fighting alongside Qui-Gon against droids and Maul while he was still a Padawan.

wouldn't that logically make Luke less equipped to handle the stress he was eventually burdened with?

Now you're backpedaling from "Luke's life was harder than Obi-Wan's, so he got fed up" to "his life wasn't as hard, so he wasn't prepared".

If he was so eager, why did he wait for 20 years until Luke suddenly crossed paths with him seemingly by happenstance?

Because it was only then that the Rebel Alliance was formed.

As far as I can tell, Obi-Wan never had planned to train Luke until he received Leia's message.

Owen and Beru wouldn't have it and he's a wanted man, anyway. He needed to keep his distance from Luke until the time was right.

At the end of RotS, we see the principal founders of the Alliance meeting for the first time.

There was no real Alliance. Obi-Wan, Yoda and Bail discussed what they should do and they decided to wait until another day to fight as the Empire was too strong. An "alliance" of three people isn't gonna do shit.

They could have loaned their support to the nascent Rebellion.

A non-existent Rebellion, you mean? Nah.

They could have taken Luke and Leia and been training them to one day take up the mantle as heirs to the Jedi and potential saviours of the galaxy.

The rest of the Jedi Order was already wiped out. There was no more Council or Temple, so training them from birth wasn't practical. Yoda and Obi-Wan are both wanted men. Obi-Wan could blend in somewhat on Tatooine, but a little old green man like Yoda sticks out like a sore thumb. He needs to hide somewhere far away and Dagobah was the only place he could find. Obviously, Dagobah isn't a place suited for children.

And while Obi-Wan doesn't stand out as much, there's still a chance that someone might recognize him and report him to the Empire, which is why he hid on the outskirts of Tatooine, only watching Luke from afar.

No, they both retreated away to exile to while away their days, apparently resigned to the fact that the Empire had won and the galaxy was consigned to darkness.

They literally say at the end of Episode 3 that they would wait until the time is right. You can stay in denial.

As you yourself admitted, by the time Obi-Wan starts doing... well, *anything* to help the rebels or train his successor, he's an old man

By the time the rebels even emerged, he was old and Yoda was a few years away from death. Not their problem it took so long for rebels to rise up.

Obi-Wan and Anakin could barely stand each other.

Let's see

Around the start of Episode 2, pursuing Padme's would-be assassin
Anakin : You're the closest thing I have to a father... I love you.
After seeing Obi-Wan's video message about the Clone Army
Anakin: [Obi-Wan] is like my father.

Of course, Anakin would constantly annoy Obi-Wan with his recklessness, but that's a typical father-son relationship. Parents and children argue all the time. Siblings argue all the time, too. In most cases, they still love each other and that's how it was with Anakin and Obi-Wan. Sure, Anakin blamed Obi-Wan for holding him back after his mother's death, but he was just talking out of grief. He still risked his life to save him on Geonsis and protected him from Dooku afterwards, so he clearly cared about him a lot.

In Episode 3, their dynamic has become more like that of brothers now that Anakin has matured. They mutually respect each other and never argue for the whole time Anakin is still on the good side, save for when Obi-Wan tells him he's been assigned to spy on Palpatine (and Anakin's issue wasn't with Obi-Wan, but the rest of the Council for giving him the assignment and not making him a master).

Anakin refused to leave Obi-Wan for death on Dooku's ship even when Palpatine told him to. Obi-Wan thanked Anakin for saving his life so many times throughout the war. Obi-Wan stood up for Anakin when Yoda and Windu expressed doubt that he could handle the assignment of spying on Palpatine. And they share a heartfelt goodbye when Obi-Wan leaves to fight Grievous.

Even after turning to the Dark side, Anakin didn't want to kill Obi-Wan at first when they tensely reunited on Mustafar. During the fight, Anakin respectfully calls Obi-Wan master one last time. And after winning the fight by cutting off Anakin's limbs, Obi-Wan tearfully said he loved Anakin and called him his brother.

Yes, they had a very close relationship LMAO stop this cap. They were like father and son and later brothers. That's why Obi-Wan was so heartbroken when Anakin turned evil. He even refused to fight him at first and begged Yoda to let him fight Palpatine instead. That you're trying to undermine their relationship shows you're being disingenuous.

Luke's relationship with Kylo is never expounded upon, so you can't say with any authority whether it's good or bad.

They weren't close. If they were, it would have been shown and it wasn't. Kylo eagerly wanted to kill Luke at the end of Last Jedi, not realizing he was only facing a projection of him. Whereas he tearfully and hesitantly killed his father Han and refused to kill his mother Leia altogether. That tells you he was still attached to his parents, which implies he was close to them when he was still good. He doesn't hesitate trying to kill his uncle Luke because they never had a particularly close relationship to begin with. Certainly nowhere near as close as Anakin and Obi-Wan's relationship.

Realizing he'd failed them, cost them their only child, and precipitated the breakup of their marriage would have absolutely devastated him, and understandably so. Obi-Wan never went through anything like that.

Yeah, no, cut the shit. Anakin was Obi-Wan's best friend, like a son and brother to him. He trained Anakin because it was his own master and father figure Qui-Gon's dying wish, so when he failed Anakin, he failed Qui-Gon as well.

Anakin siding with Palpatine and causing Windu to die is what led to almost all the other Jedi dying during Order 66.

Anakin personally attacked the Jedi Temple, killing Padawans and even the Younglings, whom Obi-Wan was close to. Obi-Wan literally saw his own disciple kill children on the surveillance video and you think that wasn't heartbreaking for him? Even though he's fighting back tears, uttering "I don't believe it. I can't watch" as he's watching it?

Then, Anakin caused Padme to die and Obi-Wan cared about her a great deal, too; Obi-Wan saw the very moment Anakin strangled her, which led to her dying of heartbreak. Obi-Wan literally watched the moment Padme died. All because of Anakin, the disciple he trained.

Your argument has nothing to stand on. Just more fallacies and lies.

a lot of insider trading going on these days

You can almost hear Tupac's soul on Against All Odds

MarcoRubio posted...

No, but the exact opposite happens to me all the time which is annoying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbz10IvihQw

--Zero- posted...

Someone post the photo Scotty made of himself in paint with a female character from dragon ball super lol

no such thing happened

YoungMutual posted...

yeah ofc, who hasn't

The Chad Elite

he's on big poppa by biggie

actually he "produced" (I'm using the term loosely because it's likely ghost producers and writers did all the work) a lot of hip hop classics

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


@Hypnospace You could say

He doesn't "get" it

Simping is like a disease at this point

KitKats posted...

Yes people were laughing, that was kinda the point of the scene to make people laugh. I saw it in theater a bunch of times and people were laughing and talking about it every time.

It was awesome.

People laughing because of how ridiculous it looked lol

Gobstoppers12 posted...

https://youtu.be/Bq30vO3K4Lw?si=LKZXXSeWraCLgi0A

I'm pretty sure that was a parody lol

It sucked tbh the real Gogeta only in it for 1 minute, several minutes wasted on dumb gags with Fat Gogeta and literal Hitler. Pointless subplot with dead villains attacking Earth

darkknight109 posted...

Obi-Wan did not, by any metric, have a harder life than Luke.

He served in the Clone Wars and throughout his whole career as a Jedi, found himself in a shit ton more life or death situations than Luke, who lived the first 20 years of his life in total peace and spent just 3 years fighting with the Rebels. Obi-Wan had been fighting as a Jedi for literal decades.

Obi-Wan watched the Old Republic and Jedi Order he grew up in fall apart. Almost all of his friends and comrades were killed. Luke trained a few disciples for a little while before Kylo killed them. Finding his aunt and uncle dead in New Hope was tragic, but Obi-Wan watched his father figure Qui-Gon and several Younglings he had grown close to get killed by Sith lords, one of whom was his own pupil turned evil.

So who lived a harder life here? Not Luke.

darkknight109 posted...

Had things gone to plan, I believe Obi-Wan would have done very little to help the Rebels, instead putting Luke forward as their new Jedi hero and mostly focusing on mentoring him.

Obi-Wan: Eager to train Luke so he can succeed where he failed.
Luke: Doesn't want to train Rey at all.

Who's proud and dignified here? Not Luke.

darkknight109 posted...

he was viewing this journey more as an excuse of training Luke.

Yes, training a Rebel (Luke) is helping the Rebels.

darkknight109 posted...

Obi-Wan never showed any zeal for fighting the Empire and spent 20 years sitting around doing nothing when the rebels probably could have used his help then.

The Rebel Alliance wasn't even around then. By the time it formed, Obi-Wan was already an old man. Again, you don't pay attention to the story.

darkknight109 posted...

Yoda had nothing else on the ball in between him fighting Palpatine and Luke coming to see him 20 years later.

Yoda and Obi-Wan can't take a whole Empire by themselves.

darkknight109 posted...

Yoda and Obi-Wan's failures are two decades in the rearview mirror by the time Luke comes calling, giving them some time to heal from whatever demons they were fighting

They had never given up hope at any point and were only hiding because they had no other choice. Yoda still attempted to defeat Palpatine despite his shock from the Jedi Order being destroyed before hiding. Obi-Wan still fought Anakin on Mustafar and severely crippled him despite all his shock before hiding.

Whereas Luke never attempted to fight Kylo. "Flesh and blood nephew" Please, Obi-Wan and Anakin were practically brothers. Luke was only Kylo's uncle, anyway, and they were never particularly close.

Fammy fam

Euripides posted...

He didn't even do the fights.

I'm pretty sure it was said he did most of his fights without a double lol

https://youtu.be/YiBTuW3IeCU?si=TduwYN5ldbAlyZCv