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Toonstrack posted...

How is rey to kylo what Luke was to vader??

Jedi Knight wannabe with far too little training realizes they have a deeper connection with the person that killed their mentor. Their feelings of hatred get confused with other emotions and thats when the evil one proposes they join together to kill the evil emperor.

Happy Days
Family Feud



Strangers with Candy

divot1338 posted...

How in Gods name is someone supposed to look at that and think New Heart?

Gift box is not a bad way on conveying new.

I really love Friends on the Other Side

He doesnt seem to try as hard anymore. More gripes than jokes.

2 is Total Eclipse of the Heart

Billy Jean for 8?

Kradek posted...

They just made a ruling that would force him back on, even if per the Cons. he shouldn't even be eligible to run again (at the very least should never be seated so it would be nonsensical to allow him on the ballot).

Congress still hasnt passed a law determining how someone would be ineligible so we cant enforce it.

Sucks to not get a retirement but itd probably be less traumatic on your family if they werent the one to see it happen

Red states will absolutely put him on the ballot again. Blue states will keep him off the ballot. Supreme Court at best does jack shit and at worst tells blue states to add Trump to the ballot.

They need gorillas that thrive on snake meat

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LuiK7jcC1fY&pp=ygUVTGlzYSBzaW1wc29uIGdvcmlsbGFz

andri_g posted...

The Jedi texts let Luke summarize the PT for Rey, and his reasons for wanting to end the Jedi, in 20 seconds.

andri_g posted...

I never said that they [what Luke says] did. ;P

Nothing in that speech needs the Jedi text as a source or motivation.

It means that the New Republic kept its head in the sand while the FO carefully organized, equipped, and expanded their influence to build-up their ranks.

So was US in Pearl Harbor. Make it worse, they nuke Pearl Harbor which was also our capital. We lose our heads of government and a giant part of our fleet. The US is hurting for sure but then doesnt translate to immediately entering Japanese occupation, especially if Japan immediately lost the ability to make more bombs.

Maybe hes not the mentally competent stable genius he says he is

Error1355 posted...

Also that topic was closed by the TC, not a moderator.

He seemed to think he was one of many let in.

Sudoku posted...

I assumed it was quite a common thing these days. Meh. I'll close the topic when I can it's not going the way I wanted it to.

If there was a common procedure for getting back in and it happened regularly then this would be a good topic. But as far as most of us know youre second to come through. What youve said thus far implies it was not a high bar to clear but if the bar is so low then why have so few cleared it? This is a frustrating revelation in policy for many.

Sudoku posted...

Cause my main got put in purg. I am to make a point that not everyone who gets invited to the boards is a bad user.

Your main got purg, you 6 month old alt already got warned, and Dtoast thought this is a quality user that doesnt even need to wait for 50 karma because you made some sudoku puzzles?

pazzy posted...

Which has nothing to do with it being mainstream or not.

If it wasnt mainstream then it wouldnt work as a grift.

pazzy posted...

A lot. There is a difference between lying through your teeth and actually having a real ass opinion that you believe.

Youre not explaining the difference in action.

A Trump true believer vs a grifter, they both will try to install Trump as president regardless of how the election goes so whats the difference? What do they do differently?

Sudoku posted...

Posting. I got invited in because of the daily Sudoku topics I make.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

You only have 14 active posts and 28 karma

So TC, when did you start these daily topics? Was 3 in a row enough to qualify? A weeks worth?

They hate Democrats more than they like democracy

SHRlKE posted...

No. It makes me unnecessarily concerned the wearers are going to slip and break their ankles.

And even if they don't fall, wearing heels regularly causes back problems.

It's a hard question. It is completely up to the woman on if they wear heels or not, but with how common they are, you cannot deny that there's a significant cultural pressure and expectation to conform. Men have no equivalent. If ties caused long term physical harm then they wouldn't still be a thing.

tremain07 posted...

The government should pull out of Nato, the country should become isolationist even to states and that rather than prisons and courts cops should have a system in place where they arrest somebody and the system tells them wither or not they should execute them right then and there or let them go with a ticket depending on the offense.

That does seem like someone Trump would appeal to

DrizztLink posted...

Did they even have another fleet?

Even during peacetime, it'd be really fucking weird for a large nation to have the entirety of their navy in one port. I'd buy the majority in one area, but all? You might not be actively at war with the tiny totalitarian nation at your border but surely you'd have some response teams near the border away from the capital just in case. And don't you want others near vital infrastructure spots like the shipyards at Corellia?

andri_g posted...

The Jedi texts let Luke summarize the PT for Rey, and his reasons for wanting to end the Jedi, in 20 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yepMuMoAKpA

The texts are from the dawn of the Jedi order, thousands of years before the PT. Luke is using vague common knowledge bout the fall of the Jedi order and his own specific failures. Nothing he says in that clip comes from the texts.

andri_g posted...

TLJ's opening scene, unlike most SW movie sequels, starts before Rey lands on Ahch-To, filling that time gap in TFA.

So you're saying TLJ is literally an Empire Counterstrike, a strike back if you will.

And the "we're out of fuel" is why they couldn't fly to Corellia or wherever a New Republic secondary fleet is located? I didn't realize there was no time gap between the movies. Does that mean First Order didn't take over the galaxy, that most of the galaxy is fine and just ignoring what's happening in that corner? Until of course all those extra ships showed up in 9.

How low was the bar? What are the numbers for him vs others?

My son is currently playing Mario 64 on the switch if that counts. I helped him out with a part this morning

TimeForAction posted...

9) Napoleon Dynamite

Ahhhhhh

1) Monsters Inc.
2) Karate Kid
3) Lock, Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels
4) Interview with a Vampire
5) Devil wears Prada
6) Moneyball
7) American Werewolf in Paris
8) Pineapple Express
9)
10) Chicken Little

Youve Goat Mail

Damn

cjsdowg posted...

It does and it sucks

Oh, then also coleslaw

Baked Beans
Ketchup
Chocolate Cake - I can do other forms of chocolate but the breast versions are not for me.

If you announce the crime then it doesnt count. For the same reason he can in fact shoot a person on 5th Avenue

Its cause if a dislike of zero. 12:32 should be 0:32.

andri_g posted...

You said the space battle scenes seem the same. My explanation was why they might seem that way.

You're the one the first brought up that particular space battle as a difference. It's got the same motivation, the same set up, the same result, what about it do you view as vastly different beyond it's longer and has more action?

It's the corner that Abrams used TFA to paint TLJ into. Johnson had to figure a way for TLJ to get out, and he did.

Yep! That's why I view TFA as the original sin of the sequel trilogy.

It was her connection to Vader that made many keep their distance, even when Leia told of the growing threat posed by the First Order. IIRC, the Resistance was former members of the Rebel Alliance who were willing to join.

That explains why Leia is in just a small group in TFA not TLJ. After the UN/New Republic has been decapitated, why is the rest of the world/galaxy just surrendering to North Korea/First Order when they don't have their super weapon any more? Flocking to Leia or outright declaring independence seems for fitting for that set up.

The books led Luke to discover the history of the Jedi, the nature of the Force, and the relation of the Jedi to the Force. Luke's time with Obi-Wan and Yoda was essentials only; they didn't have time to give him history lessons. Yoda told Luke that knowledge needed to be passed on [to Rey], even if Luke didn't like the idea of it being done without the guidance Luke believed was needed but not available [due to him not being willing to do that guiding].

If it's not apparent from the movie why the Jedi texts are important then they are not important to the movie. The author of the book can get credit for creatively using the set up from the TLJ.

First 10 seconds of this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLqkJnCRhXM

andri_g posted...

Space battles tend to be similar. The moments that make them stand out are not when the units fight against each other as groups; it's when one member of a unit makes a critical strike or sacrifice that allows their side to "turn the tide" of the fighting in their favor..

Luke used those old books as an excuse to "try to get everything right, someday" instead of trying to get the one thing right that everyone not FO needed "today."

"Time, it is... hmm, for you to look past a pile of old books, hmm?" - Yoda [ "Much of a reader, I never was..." ]

You seem to be dialing into the scene level differences but the overarching plot is the same. Regardless of the specifics of different space battles, in both ESB and TLJ there's a tiny rebel trying to escape the thumb of the Empire after they discovered their possibly only base. Whether or not the advancing Empire ship is disabled or destroyed or evaded is semantics. It's the same scenario with different scene execution. Looking back at the plot, why is TLJ even in that situation? In TFA I was given the impression the First Order - New Republic relations was like the North Korea and the UN. First Order developed their weapon in secret, New Republic never took them serious, and thus the First Order was able to deal a decapitating blow to the New Republic. But if New Republic territory was vastly greater than First Order territory then they should have other fleets scattered about even if their largest was destroyed. Leia, as a Senator in the Empire, as a founder of the New Republic, as a leader of the new resistance, should have lots of connections and be able to pool a lot of systems to her side. Absent of that, I'd imagine most systems would just declare independence and we'd shift to a city-state (planet-state) dynamic where everyone is tired of galactic governments, but that's not the set up we got. Either of those options would be a new dynamic, but instead we got the First Order controls everything just like in ESB.

Step back from the books and look at their role in the story. If Luke used the books to learn new knowledge that changed the nature of the Jedi vs Sith fight like learning about the witches in Ashoka, that'd be something new. If Luke used the books to change his training style and he had a new secret school where Snoke couldn't corrupt students before they were ready, those fresh recruits would create a very new dynamic. But instead of doing anything useful, the books are a secondary reason for him to stay on top of his Ben drama PTSD.

andri_g posted...

Except Palpatine's royal guards never fought in the duel against Luke in either fight. "Alone" is not a team effort.

Yeah, the original trilogy has less fast paced action scenes. This fight is different because there are more bad guys. The action is more fun to watch but it's not notable in terms of plot which is what I was talking about.

A squadron attacking a Death Star is not a fleet escaping a raid. Those are two completely different things.

It's been awhile since I saw it and I confused scenes. I read ship destroyed and my mind jumped to the admiral ramming her ship into the other ship which immediately reminded me of the super star destroyer being destroyed by a ship ramming into it. That was a similarity I hadn't thought of before but I swear the longer you compare the trilogies the more repeated scenes you find.

You're talking about the beginning scene where you think a squadron destroying a dreadnought so transport ships can escape the planet is totally different from an ion cannon in ESB disabling a star destroyer so transport ships can escape... I mean Johnson's version is more action, but from a plot perspective it's the same thing.

Remove Luke's vision of Cloud City from TESB, too. Luke doesn't leave Dagobah, but nothing changes, right?

I might be misunderstanding you again. I thought you were specifically focusing in on the destroying of the ancient Jedi texts, and I don't think that's important for 2 reasons. First they don't seem useful. Star Wars is a universe not with ancient mystic knowledge but a progression of knowledge. Over the Saga the Jedi Knights learn to become force ghosts. The Sith Lords are stated to have each one more powerful than the previous as they keep accumulating more knowledge in addition to what was passed down from their mentor. They appear to learn about the Force the same way the real world learns about math/science, standing on the shoulders of giants. Therefore modern teaching texts are vastly superior to ancient ones because the ancient ones lack all the breakthroughs made since then. Second, from a story telling perspective, the texts did literally nothing between us learning they existed and their destruction. The contributed nothing to the story.

Now if you're talking about the texts as a plot device keeping Luke anchored to inaction, yeah that's a big similarity with ESB that I already mentioned. Reclusive jedi master doesn't want to get involved, but a force ghost convinces them to act.

I liked it

Kindergarten Coping

The sequel to Kindergarten Cop as we watch the students deal with repressed memories from the first movie.

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

You can say that again

I slowly took a minute to understand and then I laughed so hard.

they kill the whales.

Does he envision the blades underwater? The whales jumping that high out of the water? Does he think any structure with a column in the water (bridge, off short oil rig, etc) kill whales? I have so many follow up questions that he's definitely never thought about as he just word vomits whatever excuse comes to him first.

andri_g posted...

Remember in TESB when Vader said, "This creepy dude is using me," killed Palpatine, and teamed-up with Luke?

It's a mashup of the TESB & ROTJ lightsaber fights. In one Vader asks Luke to join him in overthrowing the emperor. In the other he actually overthrows the emperor but with better intentions.

Or when Yoda was pulling Luke's chain (no horny) and burnt down his own hut when Luke tried to go back inside?

Remove that scene and what changes?

And who can forget rebels destroying an Imperial raid dreadnought in orbit so their transports could escape? lol ;P

Literally a faster paced better graphics version of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj9mzKe6EoE

I once had a real surreal convo over this with a conservative friend of a friend. He was going on bout how we shouldnt help the poor cause he got out of poverty through hard work and so can they. While trying to persuade him that there was a luck component and I mentioned that life wasnt fair.

He goes did you just learn life isnt fair and then I ended the convo with no Im trying to explain that to you. It would be incredibly fair if hard work was all thats needed to escape poverty.

Looking back, I view life is not fair as why some people need and deserve extra help. I think he and a lot of people view life not fair as a justification for why he shouldnt care about the less fortunate. Life being unfair is a justification for him to be unfair.

andri_g posted...

IIRC, that was from Dark Empire (EU).

lol of course. So he had zero new ideas. The lightsaber battle is a mix up of Empire and Return fights. The casino planet is his version of Cloud City. The Knights of Ren dont appear cause they have no original trilogy counterpart.

RetuenOfDevsman posted...

But you're forgetting the actual conflict.

This was the first Star Wars movie about the spaceship running out of gas.

I was limiting myself to the Luke parts, but that's just

"What if we redid Empire we did the escape to hyperspace before the land battle."
"How do they battle if they already escaped?"
"They're out of gas!"

Unfortunately the mountain exploded as soon as we completed it.