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Shah138 posted...

I'm thinking of something on the level of the Clone Wars show. Does the Sequel Trilogy have that?

That's exactly what the Mandalorian, Aksoka, and Bad Batch are supposed to be.

Literally the entire purpose of all three is to explain away "somehow, Palpatine returned" and give background to the First Order. It's trying to do exactly what Clone Wars did for the prequels. It just isn't working, because the sequels are making the series worse, rather than the series making the sequels better.

Prismsblade posted...

Content from the prequel era is being mowing made to this day. Meanwhile the sequel era is all but dead for the most part.

That should tell you everything you need to know about just how bad it was. Hell it killed any potential for OG era storys even just to add salt.

You mean like:

The Mandalorian
Book of Boba Fett
Ahsoka
The upcoming Thrawn movie
The upcoming Rey movie
Or even Bad Barch tying directly into IX

Yeah. Such an absence of OG/Sequel era content

masterpug53 posted...

I refuse to believe that anyone in Current Year who responds to a deliberately-hyperbolic comparison with a stock 'almost like' comeback didn't have ChatGPT write it for them.

Because even hyperbolically, it doesn't work.

"Do you like food that has finished cooking, or food that hasn't finished cooking?"

"Well, when cancer "finishes," you fucking die, so I think we can all come to the same conclusion."

masterpug53 posted...

Apropos of nothing, but if criminal A systematically stakes out my house for months and robs me blind while I'm not at home, and criminal B randomly carjacks me and crashes into a nearby fire hydrant, I'm not gonna be inclined to praise the latter simply because he had a cohesive plan for what he wanted to accomplish.

Almost like a film trilogy having a narrative thru-line is completely different than a couple of criminals trying to hurt you.

What a lousy metaphor.

DKBananaSlamma posted...

People saying Last Jedi is a good movie must be insane. Did we watch the same shitshow?

I'm honestly more baffled at the people putting 9 anywhere but dead last in their rankings.

Like, I would never call 1 or 2 good, but at least they're COHESIVE. 9 feels like yhree different scripts slapped together and has more exposition dumping than Shyamalan's Last Airbender.

Karovorak posted...

There is a line between having a maybe bad, but still legit oppinion, and outright trolling.

"You know, I think you're being unfair about Ubisoft's decision" is fair game.

Stuff like "I wish they would go into it even harder, so I can watch even more of you crybabies complain" less so.

It depends.

There are certain users here who I swear to God have Google alerts set up to notify them every single time someone is critical of a company they like, so they can swoop in and talk about how everyone's criticism is unfair, somehow. Just make a thread criticizing Gamefreak and give it an hour.

And I don't believe they're trolling.

Shah138 posted...

The Sequel Trilogy. My perception of the Prequel Trilogy has improved as they add more supplemental material. They haven't done anything substantive like that for the Sequels yet.

Yes, they have.

It just didn't work. That's the difference. The sequels were too bad to salvage.

The prequels had a cohesive story, better actors, MUCH better fight choreography, and were marred mostly by terrible dialogue.

The sequels had better CGI and... that's basically it.

Both were bad. But The Clone Wars and other supplementary material retroactively supplemented the prequels and made them much better. Disney is currently trying to do the same thing for the ST through the Mandalorian, Bad Batch, and Ahsoka... but it's not working. If anything, it's making those series worse, rather than making the ST better. Which I think itself speaks to the quality difference in the stories.

On the one hand, if less volume means increased focus/quality per film, then great.

On the other hand... They're talking about "more avengers" in 2026. Look, it's been 5 years since Endgame. They've MORE than spent their "we need to build back up like phase one" token, by now. And there is NOTHING to care about, anymore. Cap amd Tony were the heart of the team, and there's still no good replacement for them. Thor's fucked off to do his own thing, the Guardians have split up, and Gamora still doesn't give a shit since she was replaced, spider man deleted himself from everyone's mind, Dr strange was barely a member in the first place, and has ALSO fucked off to do his own thing, Captain Marvel is a charisma vacuum who does not give a single shit about anyone else on the team... like, there IS no "Avengers" anymore, and what they have isn't nearly cohesive enough to stand next to the original group, even in their first movie.

To say nothing about how directionless it all feels. Kang was a flop, and now They're pivoting to Galactus, it looks like. Phase 4 was a bunch of pointless, disconnected character pieces that fizzled out without a capstone movie. Half the movies ended major character arcs, dissolved groups, etc. and replaced them with nothing, so there's nothing left to be invested in. It's clear they were banking on people resonating with Captain Marvel and The Marvels so they'd be the new "heart and soul" of the group... but that didn't happen.

Now they have three (?) Movies to pull it all together and make it work? Yeah, I REALLY don't see that happening.
Series should have ended with Endgame.

No.

They deserve to be pointed and laughed at.

Any "reasonable" rationale was destroyed by them selling yhe game in regions they knew PSN doesn't support.

That's just them being grubby little shits

Democrats and Republicans

SPECIFICALLY when it comes to Israel/palestine.

Nowhere else. And fuck using it as an excuse to not vote blue.

Oldie, but CE vs Frankiin, and his fake cousin SomeLikeItHoth

I always wondered what they were thinking when designing the MC.

"Hmm... we can't really do custom hair yet... so instead, everybody's gonna be a viking."

I'll be honest, I don't really disagree (except for the Danny Elfman score). The film is pretty dull, and while Jack Nicholson is, himself, great, his joker was nothing special. Most jokers feel unique and twisted in their own special way; his was a generic mob boss with maybe a couple jokes, and a catchphrase that could have made him one of the Wet Bandits.

The best part about the movie was that it inspired the Animated Series, which is incredible

I have never seen a lifted Dodge Ram that wasn't driving like a fucking asshole.

Also, the BS way they get out of the situation with Doctor really does a disservice to the story.

I get it. Yusuke has never killed a pureblood human being before, and we have to give him the good-hearted-anime-boy thing. But honestly? He should have killed him. He should have been forced to kill him to save lives, and struggled with the choice for the rest of the arc. Forces him to content with Sensui's philosophy because he's sentenced a monster to death for the "greater good." Then it can come to a head with Gamemaster, when they have to make the same choice with a less sinister target. They do. And now they aren't so removed from Sensui's grand plan. And yusuke's teetering on a moral event horizon.

The biggest problem I have with it is that I have a very hard time seeing most of the Seven as credible threats.

Like, after the Dark Tournament, Kido, Yanagisawa, Seaman, Sniper, and Doctor should be absolute fodder. The fact they aren't instantly speedblitzed and KOd is silly.

And to be fair, some of them are... but the fact that Sniper can fuck with them the way he does is ridiculous considering he's basically just a regular dude.

Things were at their best when the crew were dealing with things that their powers couldn't help with. Kaito and Gamemaster were the most interesting challenges in the whole arc.

I legitimately have NO idea what they were thinking with the back half of that game. Would be damn near perfect without it.

Oh, and the Village Rebuilding submode maxes out way too quickly.

The absolutely bizzare discourse around this game has done more to put me off playing it than any of the things being discussed ever could.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/50ac7bc5.jpg

A random guy (strike that, woman) who I'm sure has a 200 page biography, somewhere.

Edit: yep

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Evaan_Verlaine

But... but what about Free Speech Absolutism, Benny?

You're talking like one of those gosh darn communist liberal fascists, Benny!

Facts don't care about your feelings, Benny!

Sry4PartyRockin posted...

The suspect said he got his 9mm handgun, went outside, and began shooting at the truck to "try to disable" it.

Yeah, bull fucking shit. This isn't an action movie, and that's not a lawful use of a firearm.

And even if it WAS the truth (it's not), why would you WANT to "disable" the vehicle of a home invader and strand them at your house? Especially one you already clearly fear is violent enough to warrant you unloading a clip on them on sight?

Arrest this asshole.

Humble_Novice posted...

They don't seem to realize that letting the far right win will ultimately doom their ability to fight back. Honestly, these so-called radicals are too short-sighted and reactionary to see the bigger picture. How do they expect to help others abroad if they can't work to make things better at home? It's going to be even harder to protest and fight for the Palestinians once the GOP takes over.

Something something "so no accountability for genocide," something something "vote shaming" something something "stop using Trump as an excuse" something something "this is why the dems suck."

I'm sure they'll all love telling us all about it when we're in Trump's intenrnment camps.

lolife67 posted...

What did she say or do to make them hate her now?

Not boycott Biden and let Trump win like a lot of radical leftists seem to want.

PLASMAAAAa!!!

So it's seasons 6, 7, and 8? But they all get that "final season" marketing?

Reminder that Butch Hartman is a hardcore conservative evangelical, and a huge believer on the Seven Mountain Mandate. Also that he scammed fans for kickstarter donations for an under-the-table Christian propaganda streaming network.

I would be glad that, when choosing between:

a) genocide of Palestinians in Gaza, and

b) genocide of Palestinians in Gaza, persecution of Muslims from other Middle Eastern countries, persecution of Muslims at home, genocide of the LGBTQ, repealing of rights for women, massively increased infantaternal mortality, and the abolishing of nationwide voting rights

That people were sensible enough to choose a) instead of rolling over for b) just to say they "stuck to their guns."

Guns that will only get further enshrined and protected as they murder more and more children under b). Knew I was forgetting one.

Almost as funny as that time Beyonce fans tried to mob-justice Rachel Ray.

It wouldn't matter, because the One Piece itself has always been the least important part of the story.

Dungeater posted...

maybe in the same way an electric fence can hold a t rex in jurassic park, but not a fly

Basically this. It's more like a net than a wall, and things that are small enough can still slip through.

This being yuyu Hakusho, the net blocks large amounts of energy, rather than actual physical size.

There are 6, and they're all in the Supreme Court

Itachi157 posted...

Hamas started this and continues to be responsible for the whole situation. Its their responsibility to accept a deal, they cant win against Israel. And if they refuse what happens next is all on them.

"Why did you make me slaughter the hundreds of thousands of uninvolved innocent human shields you put between us!?"

emblem-man posted...

Hamas wants to keep fighting because they think they can get better deals (them staying in power), and Israel wants to keep fighting because they think they can get a better deal(Hamas not being in power).

Fuck all of them. Release the fucking hostages and both leadership step down and go away.

Literally never going to happen. Netanyahu has been looking for any excuse to start this genocide for years, and he's not giving it up now that he has one.

And Hamas genuinely have nothing to lose. Sure, they'd like to stay in power and keep trying to attack Israel, but they genuinely believe there's no greater glory than dying a martyr for the cause; and they'll happily sacrifice every man, woman, and child it has to, and thinks they should feel honored for the opportunity.

This conflict has no rational geopolitical conclusion. Both sides want the other completely eradicated, and neither of them care if Gaza is depopulated to the last man in order to do it. There's nothing to negotiate. The losers are the people of Gaza, stuck between two factions that both don't give a shit if they're wiped out.

On topic, I think "casuals" get a lot of hate because, for better or worse, the casual market dictates what the broader gaming sphere will look like for the foreseeable future.

The Wii was a huge hit with "casuals." This led to a 2-3 year period where Sony, Microsoft, and lots of triple A devs crapped out shitty motion control shovelware and little else.

Casuals glommed onto Clash of Clans and Candy Crush. All of a sudden, nearly identical microtransactions and wait timers are shoved into major game franchises. Repeat for lootboxes.

Hell, if we're talking about the mobile market, we may as well point out that the "casual" market has basically destroyed that entire landscape. It's hard to remember how promising mobile gaming's future looked in the early 2010s. Now it's basically just half cooked ports and shameless whale hunters.

These are all broad strokes, but they speak to the larger problem. A more casual audience is going to be more willing to overlook problems with, and exploitation in, their games, as they simply don't care as much. And many developers, cloying trendchasers that they are, are willing to capitalize on that. This is not a problem with the casual player - it's a problem with the shitty industry.

And the reality is that it infects mainstream franchises, and that pisses off the "hardcore" crowd. Sports games have effectively stagnated and just become vectors to hock slot machine lootboxes year on year. Battle passes got popular with casuals, so every mainstream arena shooter now has one. Diablo and Dungeon Keeper players starved for a new game? Don't worry, they're covered: here's a shitty mobile game clearly built to slowly milk your wallet. Let's strip well-loved post-game features from Pokemon because "kids have cell phones and don't have the attention span for it," per the developer. Dead Space 3 and Resident Evil 5 have to be a generic action games because survival horror isn't popular with the casual crowd. And I guarantee that something like Suicide Squad wouldn't have gotten NEARLY the amount of shit it did (still some, it wasn't good, but I digress) if it didn't feel compelled to drag the poor Arkhamverse down with it.

And while yes, there are lots of games being made, I think it's unfair to just expect the extant player base to not be upset about seeing franchises they live make these turns. Sure, there's alternatives; the gaming sphere is huge. But if, for example, Dark Soulsn4 was announced, full of microtransactions, a Ubisoft HUD, a battle pass, and a story written by Shigeru Miyamoto... I wouldn't just say "yeah just play Hellpoint, it's closer to the Dark Souls you want." Because the player doesn't WANT to play hellpoint. It may be FINE, as an indie Dark Souls knock off, but that player would always be happier with an actual Dark Souls 4, because it's a storied series they're already invested in.

And again: NONE OF THIS IS THE FAULT OF THE CASUAL PLAYER. People like what they like, the way they want to like it, and that's not wrong. All the problems with "casuals" are a case of misplaced blame; the fault lies with publishers/developers, who look at something successful and always learn the wrong lesson from it.

Euripides posted...

Sure, but to say that "Back in the old days, most games were made for hardcore gamers" is just patently false

It's patently not.

Before the SNES, games were deliberately made obscenely hard. It was a deliberate design choice to artificially prolong playtime, because memory restrictions meant the games had to be smaller. Ao, you make the small game difficult to make sure the customer gets their dollar per hour money's worth.

And even on the SNES, it took a while for game deaign to catch up with the improved tech.

Games on average were absolutely harder. Of course that's not a universal rule; Elmo's Number World was only ever gonna be what it was. But on average, games were absolutely harder.

Ratchetrockon posted...

Wait viltrumites have planet busting punches?? Omg that's crazy

Yeah. They'll straight up just fly right through the center and collapse the whole thing.

legendarylemur posted...

I already addressed the planet buster shit that keeps getting brought up over and over. You guys are so obsessed with that shit, but again, the idea is that they destable the planet via either hitting the core or else. PUNCHING a planet and one shotting it is like literally several times magnitudes more impressive. Making a planet blow up by punching means they're literally punching so hard that the force disintegrates the planet. A saiyan can't fucking tank that wtf, they can't even tank the ki attack capable of reacting to a planet's core. These supposed planet buster ki attacks hit the planet at an angle all the time and do nothing to the planet.

You guys keep exaggerating the planet shit cuz that's all you got to say Saiyans are even within the same tier list of Viltrumites

And again, only Vegeta the strongest saiyan in all their recorded history, was on a planet busting level. And at a PL of 18k, he was almost double King Vegeta, who was in second place.

The average saiyan was nowhere NEAR planet-busting level. Y'all need to stop using vegeta as the benchmark. Raditz is the benchmark. At best.

GS4Life posted...

Average Saiyan is 2,000-3,000 so way stronger than Early Z Goku, Piccolo, King Piccolo, and Powered up Roshi

Except they aren't.

The bardock movie and the anime filler isn't canon, anymore. The average saiyan is more like 500-1000.

Hell, even IN the bardock movie, his squad was supposed to be exceptionally good; its the whole reason they were specifically targeted. and they were definitely in the 2000-4000 range, at best.

2Pacavelli posted...

Nappa has a power level of 8000.

Raditz is 1200

So if average is some point between them 2000 - 4000 for an average would be fair.

Except it wouldn't be.

Maybe this held weight in the old canon. But as of the new Broly movie, which rewrote a lot of what Saiyan society was, Raditz is no longer an "average saiyan."

Paragus was a Colonel, and as such a pretty damn high ranking saiyan. And his power level was 4000. The royal guards at the palace were 2000. There's no way in hell any average saiyan is pushing 2000-4000.

And even if they were, vegeta was the only confirmed planet buster among them, and he was 18,000 at the time.

All this to say, I think I correct myself. The average viltrumite would squash an average saiyan as easily as Omni Man squashed the Guardians.

A lot of people ITT are ignoring the question was "average saiyan."

That's not goku. It's not even Saiyan Saga Vegeta, who was a Super Elite among saiyans. It's not even Nappa, who was also an elite, a general.

It's Raditz. Who, really, was on the HIGHER end of an average saiyan, seeing as he got assigned to Vegeta's elite corps.

On the one hand, just a couple viltrumites are able to destroy planets just by flying through them. And that was still pretty far from the best and strongest of them.

On the other hand, Planet Vegeta had 10x Earth's gravity; the Rognarr are shown to be VERY dangerous to viltrumites due to their planet having those exact conditions (iirc, that gravity is actually LESS)

And then we have bullshit like Omni Man escaping a black hole, or Buu arc hoku struggling with 10 tons per limb when he was moving mountains as a child.

Their powersets are too wildly inconsistent to really say.

That said, I'm giving it to the viltrumites. Worst comes to worst, the fight goes to space, or the planet is destroyed. Viltrumites can live in space long enough to survive. Saiyans can't.