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UnsteadyOwl posted...

I think it feels worse when it's Disney because of what she talks about near the end. This one thing failed but all over their parks they've been cutting out things to save money and charging extra for things that used to be included with the ticket price and to some extent they can get away with that because it's almost like a rite of passage for Americans that you've got to take your kids to Disney Land/World before they're grown up. It's like they're feeling out just how much people are willing to pay more for a worse experience.

I went to Disney world when I was like 3 year old and have no memories of it

Almost 3 decades later i still haven't been back.

It was never a rite of passage and it certainly wont be for long now that the middle class is going extinct.

specialkid8 posted...

. I just ask for good faith engagement

And you went to CE for this???

Yeah not interested. 4 hours for a hotel ill never go to and doesn't exist. Im pretty sure I've seen her other takes on star wars stuff and generally didn't agree.

Im guessing this will be the new rallying cry for people who thing star wars is 'dead" now? Idk but I wish yt would stop recommending

Yea it can be pretty good

Hes right to not trust humans.

Hes wrong In that hes willing to kill them to survive.

Ya know what idk why I'm letting scotth bait us this long lol hopefully with that last post ppl realize what's happening

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Because Kylo killed Snoke, who Rey was trying to kill as well. Ergo, they had a common goal.

And has we discussed two characters having a common goal doesn't make them allies.

Both Rey and Snoke found out that was what he wanted when they saw that he killed him.

See above.

After using it to kill Snoke, Kylo returned her lightsaber so she could both protect herself and help him fight the guards. When Kylo was about to be killed by the last guard, Rey tossed him her lightsaber so he could use it to save himself.

Yes, that's called self preservation. He wanted to survive and his chances were better at doing si if Rey is fighting them too.

They literally fought with each other and saved each other's lives. That's a blatant alliance and partnership. For some reason, you want to pretend alliances and partnerships can't be temporary. You're allies for as long as you're working together.

No its not for one.

For two, rey didn't save kylo sidnt save Rey. They just didn't kill each other.

Heroes and villains have had to temporarily work alongside each other tons of times; doesnt mean theybare friends, allies, anything.

bfslick50 posted...

Name a difference from the movies. Saying Kylo and the Sith are different because of the things Kylo and the Sith act differently offscreen is a boring non-answer.

Lmfao what???

You: "are they different in philosophy or actions?"

Me: "Yes heres several of the ways they differ in philosophy and actions"

Yo: "thats a non answer!!!"

Wtf are you talking about.

The bounter hunter in Ashoka was clearly not Sith. He didn't care about power at all and seemed to have completely different motivations. Compared to Kylo who has the exact same motivations as the Sith.

No he doesn't have the same motivations as the sith. Not at all. The sith seek domination and absolute order through power. Ben never wanted to rule the galaxy, he always wanted was freedom and absolution and belonging. He was an angry young man flailing and he thought power would fulfill that void. This is why he was hesitant to kill his father snd refused to kill his mother. A sith would not have hesitated for even a moment. The sith lord weaponized his anger this against him and his family.

The witches in Ashoka may be doing things that Sith can also do but it certainly comes off as new powers. The witches are novel and interesting. The knights are undeveloped and boring.

The knights of ren ARE underdeveloped but that doesn't mean they're sith. And khlo ren only joined the knights for similar reasons. He wanted belonging. Thats why when he came to his senses he had no qualms fighting them.

Also the witches aren't new. They're very old and well documented in history of the star wars lore.

refmon posted...

IT's an objectively bad show TC

Do you just have limitless nostalgia for Ewan Mcgregor?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e145347a.jpg

What determines objectivity?

The majority disagrees with you.

Scotty_Rogers posted...

Next you'll be telling me Goku and Piccolo didn't become allies in the Saiyan arc even though they fought Raditz together just because Piccolo was still planning to kill Goku later. And Freeza didn't become allies with Goku and co in the TOP even though they were fighting on the same team just because Freeza was still planning to kill them all later.

...yes. thats exactly what I'm going to tell you.

A temporary alliance doesn't mean a character is another characters ally lmao.

If you deliberately choose to work with someone for a mutual goal, then you're allies with them.

Rey wasn't given a choice, it was fight alongside kylo ren or die.

Rey and Kylo even had a better relationship with each other in TLJ than Goku did with Piccolo, Vegeta, Freeza, etc because they genuinely cared about each other despite their alliance fell through by the end of the movie.

Rey left kylo ren unconscious on the ground of a partially exploded ship. She didn't give a crap about him in tlj.

bfslick50 posted...

A difference in name only. Is there a difference in their powers? In their philosophy?

Yes. The sith are acolytes to an order, a religion, a way of life. Kylo ren isnt following any of that. He doesn't worship sith texts, he doesn't follow sith guidelines, he doesn't practice sith teachings. It's like comparing a 24 year old agnostic to a 65 yr old mormon just because they both like Jesus teachings.

Force powers are force powers, you never needed to be a jedi or a sith to have those.

Cause they're very similar movies.

Comparing TLJ to ESB is high praise if anything.

Enclave posted...

You're right in that they had no idea who would be in TFA.

No, its kylo ren.

Hard disagree. Ben was obnoxious and annoying, that hardly makes a compelling villain.

Hes a compelling villain because of his inner conflict and rage.

Snoke literally has no personality other than just being evil all the time because he's a puppet. Even in tfa thats his one character trait. Just evil.

Yeah, you're right, having her just magically power up because the Force wills it was just SUCH good writing. No need to actually explain her improving skill with the Force at all right?

I mean, she didn't do that? She's clearly outclassed by kylo ren throughout the trilogy. Meanwhile Luke is performing force fwats that even trained jedi wouldn't struggled with in movie 1. Its almost like there's an in universe factor that literslly says some folks are just going to naturally he strong.

Funny you bring up Luke going against Darth Vader when I brought that up as a problem with Lukes character and then you respond to my problem with Luke with:

You said that it at least made sense to gave him do some training. But it didn't. Luke then trains for a year or 2, and is able to soundly beat Vader. Something lifelong jedi couldn't do. So did he just magically power up or what?

This response makes literally no sense, you're not even trying. I'm not the one saying other people "don't need to have an opinion on star wars", that's you and that's literally gate keeping.

You willfully misread my post and now are attempting to hold me accountable for your misread version.

Not gonna fly.

I said people who lack the storytelling capability to understand that there were myriads of stories that could be told after tlj dont need an opinion, not because they are bog enough star wars fans or even because they didn't like the movie. But because they don't understand storytelling. It isn't hard to make a follow up for tlj. The notion that the movie shuts down every possible avenue is laughable and the fact two entirely different follow ups were scripted proves it.

Scotty_Rogers posted...

@Toonstrack lol They literally fight together against Snoke's henchmen after Kylo kills him.

....because those henchmen are trying to kill them. Lol. That doesnt mean they're on the same team. They clearely weren't.

Fighting together and protecting each other = having an alliance = being allies. It didn't last long but they were became in the throne room until Kylo asked her to join him in ruling the galaxy.

And so was Kylo, so they shared a goal.

No, they didn't, because she had no idea he wanted that and neither did snoke.

And she was one for as long as they were fighting against Snoke's henchmen.

That's not how anything works.

kek that is basically what their relationship glorifies, at the end of the day. Teenage girl and 30-year-old man having a thing for each other. No need to sugarcoat it.

This is like saying the OT promotes incest.

apocalyptic_4 posted...

Rise of Skywalker is objectively the worst film in the franchise.

Nope, better than TPM AND AOTC easily.

Enclave posted...

TLJ left the next movie with the main villain dead

Snoke was never the main villain..not even in tfa.

and the replacement being a whiny brat.

And a better character than snoke.

Rey was supposed to get training in TLJ

According to whom? She wasn't "supposed" to do anything. Anglin didn't get trained in his second movie. We skipped all the training and hes basically fully fledged.

This is the problem you want rhe movies to follow liteesl made up blueprints that don't actually exist. You went in with expectations defined by these blueprints and then got mad when the movie didn't listen to you.

but the ball on that was dropped hard so you have somebody who is supposed to be only really starting their training who's supposed to go up against a fully trained Sith, it's nonsense.

Kylo ren isnt a sith. Luke also went up against Darth fricking Vader with barely any training.

Luke at least had an indeterminate amount of time training with Yoda and even that begged belief that he could stand up to Vader as well as he did in RotJ.

Lmfao no it didn't.

TLJ was a garbage movie, RoS was also a garbage movie, TFA was bad but at least left stuff to build off of.

Now, if I was an ass I'd say you are the one who doesn't need to have an opinion on Star Wars but I'm not the obnoxious sort of fan who tries to act as a gate keeper on media just because others don't necessarily share my opinion.

Amaizng. Every word you just said... was wrong.

I'm just glad that scumbag went to prison for the rest of his days.

If he'd have gotten off it would've been hell to pay and we'd have deserved it.

Scotty_Rogers posted...

They spend all of TLJ bonding with each other, communicating through space and becoming allies until Rey turns down his offer to rule the galaxy with him.

They were never allies at any point lol. Rey was trying to kill snoke; kylo saw her as a useful ally if anything, but that was clearly one sided.

The movie paints them out to be soulmates, with 29 year old Kylo being a potential love interest/sugar daddy for 19 year old Rey, an orphan in search of parental love

Ah you're trolling. Ok.

Enclave posted...

I think it in large part boils down to some people not putting it together that a big part of why RoS was so bad was because TLJ burned down to the ground all the set up that TFA did and thus the 3rd movie in the trilogy didn't really have anything to work with.

This is also a lie.

The 3rd movie has two entire different scripts proving this.

People who think this donr know how to write. Id you can't make a star wars movie about of a small rebellion, a reinvigorated first order with a new leader, and all the heroes on a joined front with the lead jedu beginning her training, then you dont need to have an opinion on star wars.

Thats what TLJ left the next person with. They just got someone who is known for being bad at endings.

ssjevot posted...

I don't see how you can rate Rise as anything greater than a 2/10 on your scale, but we'll see.

I can. Its still better than all the prequels.

SAlYAN posted...

A whole world of possibilities for the Kenobi vs Vader rematch at the end. And what do they do?

A wholesale ripoff of the S2 finale of Rebels. Almost shot-for-shot in some places.

Like, come on, guys.

It is LAUGHABLE you are calling it a ripoff. The whole fight olays out entirely different aside from the damaged mask. Thats the only thing they lifted.

Im guessing you like so many never actually bothered to watch rebels until this show happened anyway

Ragtag28 posted...

@Toonstrack

....I am not a mod lol

Charged151 posted...

Andor had a really slow start and never did get the purpose of the cereal scenes, but other than that was fantastic.

She was the worst part of the show imo. Surprised Obi Wan let her live after knowing about Luke.

Nah she's pretty great in the show. A very unique villain angle that we haven't seen before.

Her methods are far fetched yes, but her resentment of both the jedi and the sith stand out

If you thought kenobi would kill a surrendering enemy after watching the show you dont know kenobi all that well.

bfslick50 posted...

Jedi Knight wannabe with far too little training realizes they have a deeper connection with the person that killed their mentor. Their feelings of hatred get confused with other emotions and thats when the evil one proposes they join together to kill the evil emperor.

1. They didn't discover a deeper connection until the following film

2. The thmatic similarities are there on purpose and that's a deliberate feature in most states wars media. You can also say this for ahsoka and anakin for example.

Despised posted...

I don't keep up with new shows or popular shit other than movies recently, but randomly watched Kenobi and loved it

Guess I'll see if this mandalorian show is good

It was good yes. A lot of star wars fans couldn't handle it tho

TheFuzz3451 posted...

TFA is a rejection of the prequels; TLJ is a rejection of TFA; RoS is a rejection of TLJ

Every movie in the trilogy is trying to bury that which came before it, while starting from scratch, which results in a completely incoherent mess of a story.

Tlj isn't a rejection of TFA any more than ESB is a rejection of ANH.

It changes some things previously established and expands upon all ideas in the original.

Being a rejection of the prequels is hardly a bad thing either.

Scotty_Rogers posted...

The Canto Bite subplot was lame but not as bad as I thought it would be

I dislike Rey and Kylo's dynamic. It's so cliche, rehashing Vader and Luke but with a romantic subtext tacked in.

How is rey to kylo what Luke was to vader??

Snoke feels really wasted; he didn't get much screentime in this or TFA and now he just gets killed.

It really felt like they were just making up shit that the Force could do whenever the plot called for it. Suddenly Leia can fly. Suddenly spirits like Yoda can cause natural disasters. Suddenly Kylo and Rey can project images of themselves to each other to communicate. Suddenly Luke can project an illusion of himself to fight. Textbook lazy writing.

No. All of these are canon force abilities and have been established for decades. This is you not having knowledge of the franchise.

The force ghosts abilities have kitersllt never been consistent.

Oh and the planet Luke was on just happened on to have the old Jedi texts.

No. Luke went to that planet BECAUSE it had Jedi texts. It wss a well known haven for jedi.

BaphometFlux posted...

My answer is Prince, the man was just an amazing artist, pure musical genius and very prolific. I've loved/enjoyed all his musical output and that type of artist is very very very rare to find.

Your answer was correct.

A couple years ago I would've said an upvote/down vote feature would be nice but now? Nah.

Hosting game devs for Q and As would be an interesting angle.

misterbum posted...

Money = sex?

Thats umpossible

Maybe that explains why I consistently have little of either!!

Deej posted...

Imagine paying for porn o_o

The industry wouldn't continue to exist if no one did.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

Im not a child and these restrictions will keep me out too. Im not sending a porn website my identification info.

If you were paying for any of it then they already have all that anyway.

Stronger men than him have tried.

So no.

9.5/10

Simple... don't post fetish art. I never have so there's nothing to track.

I also don't make it, so there's that.

epik_fail1 posted...

Please keep this before they inevitably gaslight us and make their clickbait videos about "woke people" triggered by paper mario
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c146a35f.jpg

They literally the exact same sont and style its literslly so clesrly designed as a feedback loop and the idiots that give thrse guys money don't see it.

Honestly I don't even really eat breakfast anymore. I dont get hungry til the afternoon time.

I COULD learn to cook... I decided to be a starving artist with my time instead.

Maybe one day when my out of reach dreams are satisfactorily fulfilled

I love this frugal spending side of CE. We need more threads like this in these trying times.

Anyways, the trick isnt eh exams meal 8 or 9 times. The trick is get 4 main courses, 4 sides and alternate between those In rotation. 16 different meal options.

That's basically a version of what I do, because im a pretty picky eater.

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I haven't haven't viewed the specials. So ill have to take your word on it in terms of if he's playing a character of being genuine.

As for his audience, yeah some of his audience probably did enjoy it for the wrong reasons and I think he was always aware of that but just didn't care... from his perspective if he can extract money from racists by telling them something they already believe whilst making fun of them, that's a victory over the racists.

KitKats posted...

If Dave Chappelle got up on stage saying Im team racism! and started peddling racist disinformation, talking about black people are genetically

Lemme stop you right there.

Go look up his Clayton bigsby skit and come back to me.

In case anyone is unfamiliar, that's his "Clayton bigsby, the black white supremacist" character. One of the skits sired on the show openly uses the hard R and im not even gonna post it here in case its ban worthy. It opens with a fake trigger warning about the usage of it, then segues immediately into a white man he hired as an actor on the skit using the term 4 times casually.

Chappelle. Has. Been. Doing. This. For. Decades.

You are clearly not familiar with his routine and his style. Him saying things no one can, would, or should say. That is the point.

Dang. Rip.

ClayGuida posted...

A centrist who won't identify themselves as a centrist has spent 30 posts defending centrists, out of the goodness of their heart.

seems legit

You're fighting a strawman that doesn't exist, and you've been doing that for way more than 30 posts.

I never even defended centrists lmao. I simply said not all of them are Republicans. Thats not a defense nor a condemnation, its just a fact.

ClayGuida posted...

Didn't say there were. Keep up. I'm saying for a party that has 20% registration, how do they win a majority of all elections? Because 'enlightened centrists' routinely vote for them, because they're ashamed of being a registered Republican.

No, thats not it lmao.

Most "enlightened centrists" ala the kind you see online have no shame.

Its just that people in real life have nuanced opinions and stances that neither the dems or Republicans fill all the time.

When that happens; many don't vote at all. When THAT happens, the Republicans voter base still comes out where often the people that WOULD'VE voted against the Republicans dont turn up.

You're saying they're all voting republican. No. Some of them simply aren't voting.

ClayGuida posted...

Imagine bending over backwards to protect your good name as a centrist.

We know who you are and what you stand for.

I never identified myself as a centrist. Its funny, someone earlier said "no one ever calls you a centrist here. They always self identify"

But no, that's exactly what happens here.

All I said was your perception of "centrist" is defined only from interacting with self identifying ones on the internet.

ClayGuida posted...

Republicans win like 70% of all elections. The Presidency is 1 of like 50,000 elections.

Correlation, not causation. That doesnt mean there are more republican leaning people in the country. It means Republicans are better at getting their base to consistently vote in line with the party.

GeraldDarko posted...

The whole concept of a centrist, as put forth by CE, seems to be just an amalgamation of tropes and memes they've seen on the internet.

That's exactly what it is. CE folk tend to bear their entire perspective on the world based on whats the last few internet arguments they had. I truly wonder when some of these folks have actually had a conversation with an actual person about any of these topics, that was a person and not a username on a screen.

ClayGuida posted...

Well you're wrong.

There's far fewer registered Republicans than registered Democrats, yet they still win a majority of races.

That says more about the level of infighting disagreements on the democrats side than it does about the number of centrists voting right.

Also republicans dont win most elections. They clearly didn't win the last big one.

ClayGuida posted...

Centrists are just right wingers.

Nah. That's a stance only relevant on the internet where most who self identity as such are just sealioning right wing arguments.

There are petty centrists in real life with many left wing views, if not most.

bigblu89 posted...

Well, if you go back to the jokes that originally got people in an uproar, the joke basically was that they are annoying, but to each other. It was very much "stereotype" humor, which, if you watched his show or earlier stand up, was Dave's bread and butter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHpnc0oDauc

Yes. His entire shtick his entire career has been playing the heel. Saying the things no one else would say because they'd get backlash. Thats what he built his entire career on.

If he catches wind that a few people got offended by his jokes, his first and only response is always going to be to double down on that. If in the early 2000s someone got offended at one of his race jokes, he would absolutely not stop making them.

Now if you think that makes him of lesser character than others I won't fault you for saying that. But it is consistent.