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Chris can read me pretty well. He loves to point at Elden rings as a great example of that. He had me like instantly murdered in that game.

I mean I don't want to date Chris again just beacuse i feel like if and probably when Chris is killed no one believes me on convincing with Chris anyways but that's just me.

I may do something similar to what Mzero just did and extend invites to

I guess.
Chris
Fd
Jc

Cuz i think that is where we are kinda at right?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Why is it that I am waking up to half baked substitute plans?

Well... it was just an idea and your plan is getting shit on so.. we need some kind of alternative right?

It just seems like everyone is paranoid and scrambling.

Who decides who is in the group of 3? Pulling names out of a hat?

Could have Confirmed town Chris decide or we could keep it up to random I guess?

Is there a designated "decision maker" in each group? Or are two sus people just going to save each other over someone who is much less sus?

Could do those outside of the groups,
Like the other 6 decide who dates in that grouping?

How does your plan account for preventing death on 5 if we swing and miss today?

Well I guess I didn't account for this....
Well hmm...

Maybe I thought too prematurely on this...

Okay so I have an idea we can decide groupings of 3(so we don't get into a position we have people who cant date and such) later make it like a Tournament. Last man standing is out.

Example

Chaeix (JC)
Sultan
Fd

Say FD chooses JC

i move to the next round

Dumey
Kirby
Ulti

Kirby chooses Ulti Dumey moves to the next round

SirChris
Mzero
Isquen

Chris chooses mzero
Isquen moves to the next round

Then the left overs are

Sultan
Dumey
Isquen

Then the 3 of us fight to the death

Dumey and I agree killing isquen is the play we date

Isquen dies

I can try to reexaplain if this doesn't make sense.

Kirby321 posted...

Huh

I'm asking why you went from "Kirby is scum" to "I'm fine with dating Kirby"

I said you dating dumey?

Not me dating Kirby

Responding to Dumey saying I'd be okay with YOU dating Kirby

Any ways my idea will come next post

Kirby321 posted...

What on earth changed your mind lol

And the point with my last post wasn't a dig at people leading today. My point is that we need to start having deeper conversations than just pointing the finger of suspicion at people and rehashing the same arguments.

There's fewer players here today than there were on Day 1. Fewer variables to account for. We all aught to do a bit of review and ISOing of Day 1 to see if information we know now can recontextualize content from earlier in the game.

Well you guys can't date tomorrow was my thought.

I also have an alternative idea let me get it together here may take a minute to for mate it.

If we don't like it so be it.

Kirby321 posted...

Honestly, I think we need to stop focusing on plans and instead actually try to build cases on each other to convince people who is town and who isn't. Ulti didn't just completely 180 on Isquen until he convinced himself with some kind of evidence.

We need to look back at actions that don't reflect the current game state. We need to observe if someone's interactions from back then seem counteractive to what they're doing today. We need to look for inconsistencies born from scum not expecting the game to unfold the way it has, or signs of scum actually having significant control over who dies at the end of the day.

If that's the case the bottom needs to be like FD dumey isquen Ulti

Since they seem to have the most say in what has been going on more or less unless I'm getting this wrong.

EDumey posted...

Are we? What steps have we made towards doing the plan? It looks to me like every attempt to set it up has been jeopardized or vetoed one way or another.

You could date me or Mzero idk

And then not going along with the plan is telling or we just switch things up.

I'd be cool with you dating Kirby. You can date withing your group too being in group 2
Making FD Chris jc decide the rest.

But what I mean is why are you freaking dumey I'd we are still going with the plan?

Dumey is showing a little panick at his name getting thrown around idk if that's good or bad.

Isquen posted...

Quelle surprise, Ulti chickened out.

Ulti gonna pair with Sultan, y'all will go ahead and kill me, I'll flip town, and then you can feel free to murder one or the other tomorrow. I want out of this fucking game already.

I can't pair with Ulti today isq.

MZero posted...

In that case I prefer to date Justin since I've already been with FD and Sultan

We we can't date again with the plan anyways. So you'd have to Date

Group 2: Chris, Dumey, FD, JC, Kirby

Ulti just prefers Dumey being down with him and Isquen

Okay i was good with the plan before I'm still good with it now. If ulti is trying to make a scum hero play here I salute it.

But does have my brain spinning alot

Ulti if you were to set up dates right now what would you set??

Nothing apparently.

Oh and Chang do whatever is best for you 9pm est is probably good for most of us??

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b20af875.jpg

Okay Ulti I'll humor you

Mzero/Kirby/isquen

Though I could see a Dumey/Kirby possibility

EDumey posted...

I hope you know that I have absolutely nothing against you personally. It's all just playing the game here. You have dragged me away from my work a little longer than I probably should be though, tbqh. >_>

Oh fuck I'm sorry. You're right it's like 3pm I'm a crazy person thinking we'd have more activity.

Mafia time is all the time don't you know lol

Ulti since you're here what's your thoughts on isquens post 73?

EDumey posted...

Because of how he's acted in and around end of day situations. Always willing to put himself at risk. Even tilted out if his mind D2, still saved the cop he was tilted at because he knew it was the right thing to do. Kirby was not in every final 3 because he's incapable of finding a date. He's there because he was playing his vanilla role properly and putting himself at risk to pressure claims. Not something that you can say for yourself, can you?

This was what I was looking for you to say and wanted to discusses this with you and you attacked me.

Can we agree we both kinda come in hot when we both could have just asked more clearly?

EDumey posted...

You didn't say, "Hey Dumey, I have these thoughts about Kirby. What do you think about this?" You said, "GUYS KIRBY IS SCUM. WHY IS NO ONE LOOKING AT KIRBY. DONT YOU GUYS TRUST LOPEN? I AM GOING TO DATE MZERO AND HOLD THIS GAME HOSTAGE BECAUSE THE GAME IS TOO QUIET AND IT MUST BE BECAUSE SCUM"

*I might be hyperbolizing a teensy bit but you get the picture.

I asked a question and referred to where to look we are butting heads more than we should tbh.
But you also were just blowing me off a bit

Anyways reset. I eventually got what I was looking from you. I was looking for your answer thst you eventually gave on. Why you thought Kirby was town. I shouldn't have bad to beat it outta you. Lol.

Sorry if I came off like o was yelling beleive me I just wanted answers. And being over the top was the only way I was getting it.

I mean I don't 100% like it leaves Kirby, fd, and Dumey off the table but better than this.

Ulti break up with Isquen if you're town

If we go back to the plan we have our best shot. Even if I end up dying our odd are better with our you two being Paired.

This might be the newest one I've ever seen.

Trying to build conversion makes me scum.

EDumey posted...

I agree. Sultan is acting like things are slower than they actually are, despite everyone in the game having contributions today. Kinda strange, don't you think?

Also think he was saying we were having scum theater which is ????

We had nothing for 2 hours basically i got complacent my bad

EDumey posted...

FD is not town cleared, and I have been vocal multiple times about the possibility of Kirby/Ulti. But you don't seem to understand the concept of prioritization, or working through suspects from most likely to least. The only two people I haven't been suspicious of are the confirmed prosty Chris and JC who I also think has strong end of day reasons that make him incredibly towny.

Before you started all of this, I was starting to think of suggestions for pairups, that would involve having Ulti and Isquen split so we could have Ulti-Chris date as long as we guarantee that we won't lynch Isquen today. That was going to also involve probably lynching MZero. I was literally starting to talk myself into it as the best path forward. Now I just want to lynch Sultan again, lol. Speaking of motivations, what is the motivation of trying to stir up panic and saying scum is too comfortable right now, when there's only what, 1 single pair on the board at the moment? Seems like you were seeing the writing on the wall and didn't like the direction it was heading, Sultan.

Maybe I got aggressive because it seems Iike scum is sitting extremely pretty. I'm looking big picture outside of just me and mzero and I'm the bad guy here and if me trying to push conversation makes you want to kill me??? What is anyone else doing i get its a Wednesday on a work day but we have had nothing for hours. Tying createe conversation is pro town.

I'm annoying you when all I'm trying to do is talk to you and am getting blown off atleast that's my protection lol

Isquen posted...

Theater.

Think dumey wants me dead more than anyone so how you got theater is ???

Isquen posted...

Theater.

Do you think kriby should die yes or no?

I'm trying to work with you and all you're doing is blowing me off saying I'm panicking..

I guess ill stop trying to talk to you and work twords loving beacuse apparently thats what you want...

EDumey posted...

I probably have the widest PoE in the game. But all you're doing is wanting to make me narrow it on you again.

It's very funny to me that Lopen asked how I would play the game if he saved me and I pretty much responded that exactly this would happen.

What your poe then you haven't discusses anything other than me and Mzero amd are still dodgey and refusing to talk out side the 4 is anti town.

So you said you guys would be trowing?

EDumey posted...

God I hope Sultan is just scum trying to distract me.

I'm trying to get you to not be close minded!

Kirby ulti rather not Dumey Ulti

Dumey/Kirby looking kinda likely too if it's not Duemy Ulti..

The avoiding conversation looks weird dude

And I'm arguing points now and you just go oh you're panicking....

And I laugh you think them 2 are going to break up...

I laid out an argument yesterday that you apparently didn't read.

@SirChris

Come talk to this game and decide who dies please.

Kirby saved cop beacuse he had no othe option...

EDumey posted...

Because of how he's acted in and around end of day situations. Always willing to put himself at risk. Even tilted out if his mind D2, still saved the cop he was tilted at because he knew it was the right thing to do. Kirby was not in every final 3 because he's incapable of finding a date. He's there because he was playing his vanilla role properly and putting himself at risk to pressure claims. Not something that you can say for yourself, can you?

How he acted around end of day situations?! He didn't care who died as long as it wasn't him that's a terrible argument in favor of Kirby tbh.

He was their beacuse he was suspected by basically every person dead like Isquen pointed out ealier..

Uh didn't he forget Corrik existed until I said something....

You got blinders on go reread Kirby it will change your mind or it should.
I

And dumey you amd FD are trying to control everything I know the 4 poe made sense at the time but kind fuck that idea now beacuse its dead. Ulti and Isquen already broke that and honestly it's not great when people are juat going to slide though the cracks and get off scott free. Honestly. Best way to do it now would be just let Chris decide who dies out of who is left beacuse basically the other ideas are lacking now.

And I said if Mzero and I'd date it open up discussion outside of just 4 people. Town has gotten lazy and it shows or scum is just sitting pretty.

Am I wrong?

EDumey posted...

MZero already said he won't date you Sultan. And if you did do try and force the lynch to be outside of our four primary PoE players, I would lose all charitability, stop looking anywhere else, and truly only tunnel you. You KNOW it's a bad play to do it, so you only serve to lose more credibility.

Thats why I haven't done it but Kirby is getting a free fucking pass for no reason.

I'm not panicking but I know we are going to have a mislynch today based off of how thread is going.

And you didn't answer me why is Kirby town?

I'm not going to extend Mzero a date offer atm but honestly us dating might force the game to talk...

People have been looking at me for my slow start to the game and and daring mechanics. The last two days after my blow up i have been working my ass off providing reads and interacting with everyone!

Ask me questions get me to change your reads on me. I'm here. Me being at the bottom is scum plan and that is why the thread is so fucking quite. They probably have town town in the bottom right now and sitting pretty.

I'm sure it is Ulti. Isquen idk if he is or not

It leaves me at Kirby/ulti or we really fucked up.

Honestly if I was Mzero I'd maybe date me and throw the ball back at the "Top people side.

Why do you have Kirby as town? Why does anyone have Kirby as town. He has skated bye and has avoided dying multiple times. I feel like people are blidly just ignoring kirby and what is on the tabIe agaisnt kirby. Ineed answers beacuse lopen was 100% right about everything he said about Kirby. I laid out the same argument or a very similar argument lopen did on Kirby.

It's oddly to quite.... scum is comfortable right now and it shows

Kirby you still stuck on paring mechanics as why you don't like me?

You escaped yesterday and still litterally wanted to kill your town reads to clear other town reads I think lopen was right about you. How you aren't up for consideration is a bit baffling to me.

You also pair with Ulti quite well in a world Veiw

Anyway it looks like Ulti and Isquen aren't going to break ups...

EDumey posted...

Honestly while this format is cool and I wouldn't mind seeing it return, I think I prefer pushing for votes.

I have another experimental idea based on B8 Rumble that we used to do.

Each person starts with 5 hp.
And depending on how many people are in the game they get hurts. Like

Example day 1 everyone gets 2 hurts and the first person to hit 0 is voted out.

Idk I'd have to play with the idea a bit more

Isquen posted...

Sultan is weird, keeps taking umbrage to the least relevant comments and then derailing conversations for part of a page. If he somehow slips under the radar today, he should probably go.

What do you consider least relevant? I've been pushing how ulti has been contradictory to himself. How is that not relevant.

If you're saying I'm scum I want more than

SULTAN IS WEIRD.

ME BEING A WEIRDO IS NOT alignment based it's who I am!

Isquen posted...

Ulti - Gregarious as usual, but not checked out or wildly inconsistent. This leads me to believe power, since he gets town-torpedoingly bored with vanilla, but not strong power.

Um have tou read anything he posted today or anything I copied from our chat he is not what you're claiming here...

Isquen posted...

Dumey - has looked scummy since day 1 but hell if I can convince any of you at this point with the blinders on, since my biggest town reads are trying to clear him whereas everyone dead has given him the psychic stink eye.

Push this read if you think it's true. Provide more of what looked scummy since day 1?

Actually I see where you'd get that. I was responding to mzero responding to me