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Man I have no idea how it's possible for somebody to like 3 more than 4. I loved 3 but 4 fixes so much about it.

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Civ IV plus all the expansions is basically the current zenith of the Civ experience. Go for that.

I still maintain that Civ III had the best music, though!

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Kinda sad to see Big Huge die, but then again they haven't really done anything spectacular since Rise of Nations and that was nearly a decade ago.

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... uh, are you comparing them saying that the republican candidate is losing by 8 points in some of the most republican states in the country to someone leading nationwide by 2 more points?

In what universe are those states some of the most Republican in the country? Places like Utah and Tennessee are the most Republican states. All three of these states went to Obama, which means at least 22 states are more Republican than they are (as that's how many McCain won).

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Dukakis led Bush by 10 points nationwide in May of 1988.

This happened:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1988

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*sigh*

You know what, I give up. I'm sorry I said that, and I didn't realize it would make so many people freak out. I'll be more careful from now on.

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But you didn't come up with that theory based on the show. You have further, book specific evidence, and then when you stated it, you went back and looked at what show specific evidence supported it. The show's evidence is not as strong, but we know you're privy to all of the information, so we have to consider that when accepting or rejecting your theory.

You're the only ones who have been stating the book's evidence is better. Heck, I've never even implied that the book evidence and show evidence were different.

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Jaime is the one that pushes Bran out of the window at the end of season 1 episode 1. Let's say that his involvement wasn't actually revealed in the episode. But hints are given that Jaime and Cersei were involved (Catelyn finding the golden hair up there etc). Show watchers speculate that it was Jaime that did it. That's fun discussion. A book reader comes in and also agrees that Jaime probably did it. Even if this isn't revealed in the books yet, the show watchers are going to be annoyed. What extra knowledge does the book reader have to say this? Is it actually revealed that Jaime did do it, or are there more hints that strongly indicate it later on? Maybe there's two competing theories amongst the show watchers. Maybe some think Jaime did it and some think Theon did it (for whatever reason). The book reader agreeing that Jaime did it pretty much ruins any anticipation show watchers have towards this mystery.

There's several flaws with this:

-I was not weighing in on one side of a debate. I was merely pointing out that a debate existed. The equivalent in your example would be if everybody just assumed Theon did it even though the show provided ample evidence that it was Jaime. People were assuming something that the show itself did not give them the grounds to assume and I pointed it out.
-In your example, the anticipation of the Jaime/Theon argument is ruined because it's reasonable to conclude that the book reader knows Jaime did it, since after all he did. This theory has no comparable confirmation or refutation so there can be no ruined anticipation.

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The show watchers know you've read the books. They know you are privy to more information than them. You simply cannot discuss theories with them because since you know more than them and they know it, the things you say practically become fact to them. They have no idea what information supports what you are saying.

Sure they do. I cited every individual scene I was using in my second post. Well, until it got modded for apparently spoiling the show's second episode.

They can't go "that's dumb, that theory is flawed because of this etc."

Except they could have, because I presented entirely evidence drawn from the show. That's the only evidence worth using, after all, as the show and book are different and growing more so every week.

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Theory or no theory, the point is that, at the absolute least, you're saying "in the first five books worth of stuff we aren't told Jon's mother and there's at least some measure of evidence to suggest Ned isn't his father". Do you not see how that's a spoiler?

Actually, not the case. The latter isn't a spoiler because that evidence is already present in both the show and the book. The former doesn't work either; the theory could compete against various "revelations" just as easily as it could work against total silence on the matter. That's the nature of fan theories; they extrapolate from limited information or they seek to find and fill holes in the current "official story."

Beyond that, you're saying "because some other people who don't know the book theory managed to flukily guess it, no-one should be annoyed if I strongly hint it in front of them. If someone managed to guess the Red Wedding in a separate topic, would you feel content to come in this topic and be like "well, if I was Robb I'd probably steer clear of Walder Frey's place, could be bad for him, wink wink, nudge nudge"? No, of course not 'cause that'd be a dick move.

But I'm not strongly hinting at anything because there is nothing to hint at. It's just an unproven fan theory dating back to the first book and the first episodes of the show's first season. There is no comparison to be made one individual flukily guessing future twists and a large mass of people independently considering very common theories that have been around from the beginning.

And don't say "it's only a theory", that doesn't make it better - either the theory is wrong and you're getting people riled up and misleading them for no reason, or the theory is right and you're spoiling what would be an awesome plot twist if you weren't expecting it.

This statement is nonsensical. If it's true, than literally all discussion of the future must be banned because it could "ruin plot twists," whether that discussion came from me or any random show-watcher.

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What don't you get about how these people want nothing to do with info from the books not yet presented in the show.

Literally everything I've mentioned has been in the show.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

If someone who has clearly just watched the shows discusses a theory they have, it's easy to dismiss. There isn't enough evidence to suggest that things couldn't work out exactly as they were told to you. But you come in with your knowledge from having read the book; now I can't as easily dismiss the theory as being just sort of possible, because you presumably have further evidence from having read books three through five.

Actually, as it happens, the theory I mentioned is almost entirely grounded in the first book. However, this does not matter, for the following reasons:

1. Even if I've read the books, it's still only a theory. A popular one to be sure, but a theory with absolutely no confirmation. Therefore, you already have completely leave to dismiss the theory because, if you haven't noticed yet, most fan theories tend to be wrong.
2. The show and books are different entities and so it's entirely possible that the theory could prove true in one and not the other, especially as the two have steadily diverged over time.
3. I consider the theory to be entirely supportable using just evidence from the show and have only cited show evidence as a result. For those of you who have read the books and know what this is all about, keep in mind I didn't say anything about a broader theory this all ties into, merely one subset of it: the only subset with significant support in the show.

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Have we discussed it here?

Just because people are clueless doesn't suddenly make already-shown things spoilers.

A topic specifically dedicated to people who haven't read the books?

So was the one I linked to. Hell, book readers were literally banned from the entire thread that I linked to, and they still hit upon the theory after barely a page's worth of general theorizing, using the exact same evidence that I mentioned in this topic. I am quite aware that the show and books are a different thing with quite different approaches to the plot, which is why everything I said was grounded solely on stuff that was in the show.

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Could somebody please explain what I ruined? I mentioned the vague thrust of a popular fan theory that can be gleaned just from watching the show, and revealed zero actual plot details in the process.

Like, seriously people, this is basic logic. A spoiler is the revelation of an upcoming plot detail in a fictional work to somebody who does not know it is coming. However, this is not an upcoming plot detail, because it's not in the plot (as it's a theory with zero direct confirmation) and it's not upcoming (because it's based on things that have ALREADY HAPPENED). Nothing I said can remotely meet the definition of a spoiler.

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Except, again, it's not a spoiler, just a popular theory.

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But it's not a fake spoiler. It's a theory, as I have said multiple times. My "spoiler" consisted of asking whether somebody was sure Eddard is Jon's son. This is something plenty of show-watchers have questioned without ever reading the books.

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Does anybody in this topic actually understand what a spoiler is? Everything I've said is pure speculation grounded on material that is in the show. I'd say that's actually better than the backstory people routinely reveal in these topics when there is no mention of such backstory in the show at all.

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It is absolutely not a theory someone can glean from just watching the show (and let's be honest, it's far more than a theory, it's basically true) unless someone was just firing out blind theories. Almost all of the clues to it that were in the books were cut out.

There's plenty of ways to glean the theory that Ned isn't Jon's dad from the show:

-Ned having a bastard doesn't make sense with his character...he shows absolutely no signs of being a person who would cheat on his wife
-The massive troll with him promising to tell Jon about his mother and then dying suggests there's something deeper there, that his mother matters and is more than some random camp follower. If that's the case, than there's also reason to question the official story on Jon's father.
-The fact that he gives a name (Wylla) to Robert when pressed about Jon's mother but wouldn't give a name to Jon, suggesting that the name is a lie he's not willing to tell Jon.
-It doesn't fit with Ned's honest nature to conceal Jon's mother from him unless he has a very good reason to do so.
-When asked by Jon directly Ned says that Jon has his "blood," which is not the same as saying he's his son

Hell, here's a bunch of non-book readers theorizing that Jon isn't Ned's son after all of 4-5 episodes last year:

http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3204374&st=45

And remember, the only thing I've noted is that Eddard might not be Jon's dad.

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This topic is for people who don't read the books. Don't imply things that may or may not happen in the future, this isn't the place for it. Don't be a dick.

They may or may not happen in the books. Suggesting that Eddard isn't Jon's father is not a spoiler because this is not a revelation that has occurred in the book, and furthermore it's a theory that is entirely possible to come up with just from watching the show.

They know many of us have read the books and know things yet to come but are trusting us not to spoil it for them. Don't make them guess at whether or not to believe what you say.

Name one thing that I spoiled from upcoming book material.

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CoolCly posted...

That guy should really not have said that, but what he's implying is at best a theory, it is not a plot twist that has occurred in the books thus far.

If it's not a spoiler why shouldn't I say it?

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Most characters in the series are in shades of grey; even Ned fathered a bastard.

Now, are you sure about that?

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Canada, Turkey, UK, China, Greece, Italy, Germany.

An okay amount I suppose. Need to hit more of Europe plus Japan and the Holy Land before I keel over.

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Uh, I agree that it will be funny and all, but June 5th is plainly two weeks away.

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My experience with Astrid is different from most because the save import I use for RD boosts like 4 of her stats.

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Safe to say that Jon's story has been terrible this season. I don't think any of the changes have been for the better.

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Yeah, Aran is possibly the best unit for BEXP in the game due to how fast he caps three of his stats. Despite his low official speed growth I managed to cap speed for him on tier 2 in both of my playthroughs.

Also if you give him Paragon in 3-6 it's not uncommon for him to pick up 10 levels.

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Doesn't matter; all of them are bad.

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My guess is that Asami will at least be suspected of helping the Equalists.

Which would make sense, because so far the Equalists seem to be the good guys.

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Got 12, but on about 7-8 of the ones I missed I wouldn't have known the answer if it was played forward!

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MarvelousGerbil posted...
So, for a real answer. Yeah FF makes some crap games these days, but show me another series that has 12+games and has a better than 50% good:bad ratio.

Castlevania, dude.

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pjbasis posted...
It probably has the most amount of great games.

Castlevania, dude.

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Langrisser II- The Dark Princess


Rome: Total War- Journey to Rome Part 2


Age of Empires- Conquest


Incoming- Menu Theme


Castlevania- Order of Ecclesia


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Eh, PS3 deals aren't that great.

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1. Victreebel
2. Sandslash
3. Jolteon
4. Gyarados
5. Ivysaur
6. Pidgeotto
7. Primeape
8. Rhydon
9. Seadra
10. Exeggutor

Eff yeah first gen Pokemon. Funniest thing was probably Furret winning like 8 matches and making the top 50.

For the most part my list is good though. I didn't have any sneak in at the end like other people did, so everything in the top 10 won at least two matches beforehand. The weakest is probably Rhydon, which I generally like but would swap out for something like Electrode or Blastoise in a heartbeat.

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Nick.com

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Strange they don't let you emulate the Game Boy Color for it, as the added colors actually corresponded roughly to Samus's actual coloring.

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I have a PS2, so, uh, this doesn't matter to me!

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I don't mind real-life spiders, but for some reason the Giant Skulltulas in TP just really unnerved me.

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So, to the people posting random celebrities, would you support stronger limitations on divorce?

Because I would too! I mean, it's liberals who supported no-fault divorce laws in the first place.

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It'll be cheaper in a year.

I'll wait.

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They're going to have to make a lot of stuff up until season four simply to make most of season 3 interesting.

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The movie industry doesn't like phrasing its stats in inflation-adjusted or attendance terms because it benefits from a constant stream of "record-breaking" films.

In terms of overall attendance a film like Gone with the Wind probably obliterates Avengers.

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Die Hard
Aliens
The Dark Knight
From Russia with Love
Goldfinger
Terminator 2

Just off the top of my head and I really haven't seen a lot of action movies.

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Final Fantasy Forever

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Man that episode was just not very good, and Makorra is a terrible ship.

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Well, at least two deserving books made the top 10.

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Despite the accolades, I'm a bit wary of this game. From the sounds of it I'm going to have no choice but to grind a lot and rely on skills, which kinda takes away some of the actual strategy.

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Man I want to play this game but I refuse to pay more than 20 bucks for games anymore and these games never drop that low in price.

Goddammit.

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Sorry to clutter your GameFAQS inbox; you can ignore everything except the first one I sent. Instead, I sent an email to the one you have listed with your Cracked profile.

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Get Valkyria Chronicles.

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