Lurker > StealThisSheen

Eh, I thought the pun was too transparent.

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He's not going to get away with this!

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Jack & Jill somehow managed a 3%.

Bucky Larson's sitting at 0.

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It gets confusing because the sequel is Jet Set Radio Future, even in America.

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10

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Preposterous.

I don't see how sexual orientation has anything to do with such an objective, life-changing, important issue like Stan's body type.

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Well now it's a crappy deal.

THANKS, PUN

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Ayuyu posted...
That's not a really good deal.


Nah, it's pretty good.

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CrimsonOcean posted...
Why... do you care?


I'm going to sway you with a better argument:

Why don't you care

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Wanglicious posted...
there's good trolling and there's bad trolling. good trolling can usually be washed away or looked back on and make you go 'man, that was actually pretty awesome.' bad is what the ignore button is for.


I think you know what I'm gonna say.

That's how good of a troll I am.

Sometimes I troll so well that I even troll myself.

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Tom Bombadil posted...
There's a balance, I think. Having a BIT of trolls and drama and whatnot spices things up a bit, but too much can wreck things very quickly.


Hey.

Hey, you.

Whatever you like sucks, too.

Even more than the other guy.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh

snaaaaaaaaaaap

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What about a tank with big guns

And the tank actually transforms into big guns

Making it big guns with big guns

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th3l3fty posted...
the board doesn't have the energy it used to

we don't even have any decent trolls anymore


Hey.

Hey, you.

Whatever you like sucks.

Ohhhhhhhh

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Don't worry

I still love you.

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http://www.pedestrian.tv/entertainment/news/the-final-season-of-breaking-bad-will-return-in-ju/67528.htm

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Anybody that says they don't have body odor tends to have body odor.

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Threaten to make your review "Oh god she was terrible unless... $$$"

I think she'll get the idea.

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Balthier, Ashe, Basch.

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KingButz posted...
What if you are playing in the dark? OH SORRY NO ADVANCING FOR YOU

I know this was a joke, but I actually am curious. I do 90% of my handheld gaming in bed in an attempt to make myself tired and fall asleep.

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Rad Link 5 posted...
Alright, let's put this to rest then.

If Poison was made a newhalf with America in mind, why did they leave Roxy a female?

And yes, Roxy is, and has always been female.


Roxy's just a palette swap. I don't really see how Roxy being female decides anything, since that's as simple as just making a snap decision after debating everything with Poison. I mean, it's not like Roxy truly "exists" beyond being a palette swap. Was Roxy even addressed as anything before Classics Collection?

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Rad Link 5 posted...
If they had America in mind all along, it probably would have been Billy and Sid from the beginning.


Not really, since the creator said they wanted somebody different. And if you follow your logic of... Punching a woman is less taboo than a transgender to America... Why would they go out of the way to make it a dude instead of just telling us it was a chick? Like, why is the first thought instantly "I want somebody different. ...I know, newhalf." Clearly, America was in the thought process, because with that much work done, you don't go "Newhalf to completely different guy" for America instead of "Newhalf to chick," unless you already thought America was going to have issues with a chick in the first place.

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Rad Link 5 posted...
It is about relativity to the US release though because even if they already knew they were eventually bringing the game to America (which is never a sure thing), it would not have been the first time they put content in a game that Americans in the early 90s would object to, and then removed it from the US release. Japan doesn't have nearly as big a taboo surrounding cross-dressing. I just don't buy that they made her a newhalf because they were worried about America. I mean America back then mostly had a bigger problem with cross-dressers/transexuals than they did with punching women, anyway.


But the final US product was two redesigned dudes, anyway. If you create a chick, then decide you don't want to be taboo, easiest thing may be to go "Well, uh... It's a dude." But then when you realize it doesn't even look like a dude and that in itself will create problems...

Like, it's obvious America was in mind all along, or they'd have done nothing at all instead of giving us Billy and Sid. It's just... How much did they change their minds.

EDIT: Like, for instance... If Poison was meant to be a newhalf from the start, and they thought that'd cause problems in America... Why not just say it's a chick, here? Clearly, they thought that'd cause problems, too, because we got dudes.

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BIGPUN9999 posted...
You could've watched the video 2 times by now, SEP


But I was already told it's based basically entirely on the sketch and stuff we already know.

That has nothing to do with the actual debate.

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Oh, I don't care what she/he/whatever is. Even if they intended the character to be female originally, it's not anymore and never was. Intention =/= action.

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Rad Link 5 posted...
That's the story I gave earlier, but Pun's video dismisses the idea that it was ever intended for Poison to be a natural-born female on the basis that even the early-early sketches of her are labeled "newhalf."


Is that all the video bases it on, that one sketch? I didn't watch the whole thing, but why does this one guy suddenly have a sketch nobody else does?

Unless he actually states why and I'm too lazy to watch the whole thing. >_>

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Named after the band by an unnamed female employee at Capcom, she was designed by Akira Yasuda to contrast against the bigger characters in the game and move about randomly. According to the book All About Capcom Head to Head Fighting Games, the characters were originally planned to be normal females, but were changed to transsexual females (or more specifically "newhalfs") due to the suggestion that "hitting women was considered rude" in America and the concern that feminist groups would sue. This was not enough and when the game was finally released in North America, Poison and Roxy were replaced entirely with male punk enemies called Sid and Billy.


This is what I'm referring to, so I remembered it wrong, slightly. Either way, was this proved false or something?

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Didn't the person who designed the character flat out say it was intended to be a chick but got changed or whatever.

That's good enough for me.

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rammtay posted...
I can't believe so many people are buying this pathetic cash grab.


It's a good game with plenty of content already in it, so the DLC cash grab is simply as easy as... Not buying the DLC if you don't like it.

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God/Tebow '12

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OmarsComin posted...
They're also planning for custom combo DLC, there was talk about that on the SRK forums. "Push this button to do a 5 hit combo." This is pretty silly. None of it matters if you're playing for fun with your buddies but the game doesn't seem like it's set up well for tournaments at all.


To be fair, tournaments aren't really affected at all since they can just ban stupid s***.

It's online that's gonna suck.

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People that speed up to pass me when I'm already going over the speed limit.

If I'm already going 65-70 in a 55, you don't have to gun past me. What the hell are you late for that this is necessary.

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voltch posted...
Oh really, you respect good director you say.

Maybe we should really test that theory out, how is your film knowledge? Probably not all that great.

You respect good directors, but scorsese is just too easy, now tell me me if you really respect good directors, I'm guessing you've been watching a ton of Bunuel, or then perhaps maybe you are an expect on Renoir's works. Nonono, you must be one of the few guys within your circle who appreciates the works of Visconti. You've analyzed what makes Herzog one of the all time great german directors. You've also seen the exterminating Angel and The discreet charm of the bourgeoisie a dozen times.

Or are you one of those people who believes great directors can only come from america, the usual line for a work such as say Cries and Whispers is "man who cares about that"

But maybe i've misjudged you and The Conformist really is one of you top 50 films of all time.


What is wrong with you. All he did was ask why you thought a movie was bad.

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Ytterbium_70 posted...
I don't get the "four arms" deal on Champ.


So he can flex no matter what he's doing, duh.

Seriously. In almost every art of him ever, two of his arms are always flexing.

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Machop: 7
Machoke: 9
Machamp: 10

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It seems that the ruling on gems, so far, is that any that come with the game can be used, which implies no preorder/dlc ones.

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Would something like this even really work? Computer games constantly change with changing specs. What would keep this from being just another console that only plays games up to a certain point and how is that better than a PC.

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blindhobo13 posted...
Tournaments do allow DLC because of the justification that if it's in the game, you can't ban it unless it's broken or otherwise harmful to the metagame. It's why there was the initial uproar about DLC gems because tourney organizers were wondering if they had to buy every single gem because it's a part of the game. Also why things that may have been added just for casuals e.g. Star Wars characters in SCIV have to be dealt with in tournament. Casuals may want it but tourney players also have to deal with it, even if they don't want to.


Are you sure? Star Wars characters were banned from tournaments for SCIV, though that may have been because of exclusivity.

I thought DLC characters were banned unless it was a full-out update, like AE for SF4. Wasn't the problem with gems a matter of "If we don't ban them outright, do we allow all of them?"

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Rad Link 5 posted...
First, characters can't be "extra" content in a fighting game unless you're a casual player, and the casual players will probably be done with the game before the characters actually go on sale.



...Wait, what. If anything, it's the exact opposite. Most serious players don't use DLC/tournaments don't allow it, so to them it's just "extra." The casuals tend to be the ones that want want want now now now.

And either way, how can characters not be extra in a fighting game? Especially in a game that already has 38 to begin with. And didn't fool people by saying they were available from the start or anything.

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Rad Link 5 posted...
Why wouldn't they be upset to find out that the game they were excited for has content hidden behind an invisible wall that can only be breached with more money, and even then not for an indeterminate amount of time?


Because it's EXTRA content that they didn't know they had a possibility of getting and were 100% fine with buying the game before they found out. Getting pissed over something EXTRA and optional when you liked it before is kinda dumb, imho.

And it only bothers me because you can't post a single topic on those boards, and won't be able to for weeks, without people coming in to call you an idiot for buying the game.

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blindhobo13 posted...
Also characters should never be DLC. Costumes, music, other purely cosmetic things are fine since it's more of a treat/fanservice and there are people who don't give a **** about things like that but characters are just too big a part of the game.


Characters should never be Day 1/on-disc DLC, I agree.

But saying characters should NEVER be DLC is kinda dumb.

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BIGPUN9999 posted...
also, god damn

I think Julia is damn hot

but holy s***, they made her hawter here somehow


SEP likes this post.

Seriously, Julia the best.

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A lot of the same people claiming they "Ran out and canceled my preorder" in the last two days are either lying and buying the game anyway, or actually did but... It doesn't matter, because Capcom already got the money, anyway.

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Psycho_Kenshin posted...
I'd say we should fault them at least to an extent, since that's good for us the customer. If this trend leads to like a third of a fighting game's roster being DLC, well then that's a game I would not buy. Hopefully if people make it known that's it's not liked, we can keep the money hounds at bay to some degree.


I'd agree with this if the game had some tiny roster or something and then had 12 characters of DLC.

But it has 38 characters before the DLC.

That's a lot as is.

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Have you been to the boards, though? It's less "voting with their dollars" and more... Being whiny/spoiled. There are a lot of people that are more or less fitting the following scenario:

Before a few days ago:
"Is ____ in the game?"
"No."
"Aww, that sucks! Oh well, I'm still getting it."
The last few days:
"___ is DLC."
"F*** THIS S*** THIS GAME IS SO TERRIBLE THIS IS A RIPOFF DON'T SELL ME THIS INCOMPLETE S*** YOU F***."

Seriously. It's like that almost exactly there.

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How time flies!

I've softened my stance on it a bit. I realize on-disc DLC sucks, and I'm not gonna defend it.

I just still don't get the people that are like "I'm so buying this" and then suddenly "This incomplete bulls*** sucks" when they find out there's DLC. It's like... Nothing changed except that you found out there's MORE... And you don't get it for free. Those people just come off too entitled.

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Until less than a week ago: "This game looks good, soooo hype. But I wish it had X character in it."

Now: "Augh DLC characters, and on disc, too?! I'm not paying for this incomplete game AUUUUGH!"

Obviously, there are legit reasons to hate DLC. Especially on-disc DLC. But when I see the exact same people who wanted the game a week ago suddenly bawling because they found out about extra stuff they have to pay for... Dude, get over it. If you were fine with buying the game as it was before, don't suddenly say it's incomplete and whine.

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Pretty much any time after 5pm est.

That is when SEP time starts.

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I'm off Wednesday and... Friday, for sure.

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BIGPUN9999 posted...
also, that FFIII case (WHICH I GOT FROM SEP, NO LESS) is where I keep my GBA games


Damn straight case shout out! Whoooo!

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