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This one legit gave me chills. Probably the peak of the first game.
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Trails into Miscellany: The Legend of Who Cares (I couldn't think of a way to link these thematically)
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91 . Elise Schwarzer

God is dead, and your Elise/Rean fanfic killed him.

Someone get this poor girl to a family therapist. Doting on one's brother to this degree is typically a sign of an abusive household. For the record, Estelle and Joshua is also extremely gross but then Elise comes in and asks them to hold her virgin daiquiri. She's also S-tier boring; no one likes a prim and perfect angel.

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90 . Neithardt

Instructor Neithardt, who certainly has a first name but damned if I'm bothered to look it up, pictured here displaying the casual sexism this series is known best for. However, he did wife up Elliot's hot sister, so I'm sure there's some fucked up NTR doujin material for you nasty freaks out there.

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89 . Prince Cedric

Did this series need yet another blond white guy? I can't tell them apart after a while. One of the major plot points around Prince Cedric is how he was a whiny baby in one game and suddenly wasn't the next. He never actually stops being a whiny baby though. Surely they could've come up with a better character to pilot the red megazord.

Up next: The Gropings Will Continue Until Morale Improves

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UshiromiyaEva posted...
I would say it's worse than any of the main 3 DRs. It's better than UDG, though.

correct.
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playing this with decent load times and less slowdown will probably make it decent.

however, story-wise it's actually quite bad. It's an interesting experiment as to how the future of danganronpa might look but I think you gotta have trials.
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AriaOfBolo posted...
I am ready to update this tag
https://gyazo.com/8fda91fddd45ecca6a3e40db5526ae71

in terms of cultural significance I stand by this! but yeah I was probably trolling someone when I said this originally.

fair warning I just listed trails characters until I got to 100 so don't be expecting very many deep cuts here. everyone you expect will be on it, and yeah cedric's gonna be on it.

it's not estelle
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REVENGE!
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94 . Ian Grimwood, esquire

Definitely not a suspicious NPC whatsoever. Certainly there's nothing more to this character than being a friendly lawyer. A name like "grimwood" in no way links him to a plan to make a giant spirit tree appear in the middle of Crossbell. In what universe is he actually a mastermind plotting an elaborate plan to get revenge for his family. Also, there's no possible way that once he gets called out for being a villain he'll just immediately give up and say "dang you're right I have been kind of bad haven't I." (Spoilers: yes I know he comes back in Reverie but dang if Azure doesn't have the most anti-climactic ending of all time)

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93 . Luciola

I forget about Luciola every damn time. But then again maybe that's the point? Doesn't she have powers that make you forget stuff? Maybe her being so forgettable is actually brilliant meta writing. I know for a fact that she's Schera's obligatory Ouroborous relation. I also know that she became evil because she had a crush on the ringmaster of the family circus who was also your dad (note to self: do I go with a Justice for All 2-3 reference or a classic American comic strip reference? okay, both/neither). Or maybe she killed him? I honestly don't remember.

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92 . Dieter Crois

Like Vincent D'onofrio in Netflix's Daredevil series, Dieter Crois has big plans for this city. The geopolitical importance of suzerains is actually kind of interesting, and you can draw all sorts of parallels to Taiwan and Hong Kong if you want, but one thing I know for sure is that if Taiwan wanted to declare independence it wouldn't do so at the expense of big ass monsters roaming the countryside. Crossbell politics is more interesting than this dude, who like Grimwood is just being played. I guess to keep the theme he wants revenge for being constantly threatened by two competing superpowers? Fair enough.

Up next: That's your BROTHER. Gross.
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Terrible Women
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97 . Angelica
This literal sex pest needs to be in prison. I hate this character trope so much. I don't know what to call it. I'm sure there's a TV tropes page for it but I refuse to go to that site. It's okay for her to be a pervert since she's also a girl, get it? Along with the gay panic stuff it's probably the worst thing about modern Trails. It's sad that there's at least four other characters coming up that also fall into this weird pervy category too.

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96 . Irina Reinford
It's totally fine to be a war profiteer. It's totally fine to be a terrible mother. It'd be one thing if the game actually let us hate her like she deserves, but the game wants us to like... forgive her and understand her or something. There's nothing to understand! She makes weapons of mass destruction for money! She treats Alisa like shit! Being a bad person doesn't make you a bad character, but when the game doesn't seem to understand that she's a bad person that's a problem.

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95 . Cecile

It sucks that your big bro died Lloyd, but at least now there's nothing standing between you and his GF making weird googly eyes at each other. If she had any sort of plot relevancy besides "potential harem member" she'd be higher, but yeah there's nothing really going on upstairs here. At least she isn't a war criminal or a sex offender.

Up next: Botched Villains
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Investigation only cases shouldn't exist. That being said I don't mind the characters.
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Yes, I'm doing another ranking topic. The writeups for this one will be much shorter I think. No major spoilers in this one. I might accidentally reveal non-important spoilers though so reader beware.

Did you all know that Trails Through Daybreak comes out in the West in two months (July 5)? Wow!

Old Boring Guys

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100 . Albert Russell, or "Any Scientist"
Albert doesn't deserve this, since he's actually a nice guy and a good grandpa, but I wanted the list to have representation of Trails scientists (Schmidt, Novartis, etc.) I think Albert's the best one so here he is.

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99 . Carl Regnitz

Machias's dad, pictured here doing his best Phoenix Wright impression. Wants to be a "man for the people" but ends up just going along with Chancellor Osborne's massive war crimes.

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98 . Major Michael
There's actually nothing to say here. He's a black hole. He's Claire's cousin? Whoop de freaking do.

Up next: Hide your kids, hide your wife.

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Boomer superman gets changed in a phone booth

Zoomer superman gets changed in his therapist's office
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what a weird choice for a first official photo
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oops I'm not done

Ten Areas of Gameplay Improvements in FFVII-3 (Not in order)

Materia Loadouts - A lot of people are complaining about this because they only keep three people equipped with materia the whole time. This is bonkers and they should feel bad, but sure, let's go ahead and address it for these players.

Summoning - Still looks great and I'm glad they exist, but I NEVER SUMMON. I honestly think they'd be better off just making them instant attacks instead of having them hang out on the battle field. Like it should be backwards from how it currently is. You choose to summon, the bar counts down, and then it eventually goes off.

Weapon Skills - This is improved from Remake but it still feels a bit inconsequential what weapon skills you actually equip.

Folios/Skill Tree - Just make it menu-accessible. Omit the useless skills. Reorder so that abilities/limits can be naturally learned through the main game without major reorganization, and save later stat boosts for hard mode/postgame

Rare Items/Morph and Steal - Actually give enemies rare items that can only be acquired through morphing or stealing them.

Fewer trinkets - "Obtained a fragment of the planet's blessing" is bad. You can keep crafting but don't overload players with materials.

Freeze for synergy/limits - Maybe controversial but these attacks are cool and you shouldn't be able to switch characters out of them. You want to emphasize their impact.

Walking speed - Another big complaint that I didn't think was a big deal but a lot of people do.

Auto heal - Give us an auto-heal function from the command menu for outside combat.

Music selection - Have a soundtrack function so you can listen to whatever music you want whenever.
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6

yeah I know everyone's giving it a six, but sometimes you play a case and realize it's the platonic ideal of a 6
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5/10

Hottest AA take I have is that this case "isn't that much worse than" 5-DLC. It is worse though.

It's pretty much the most average case in the series. Inoffensive with some funny moments. Nothing amazing though.
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gears and gambits is NOT cool
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Stuff like Automata is why I think the jRPG moniker has become worthless. It's easy to see why you wouldn't consider it one, but at the same time this means you also can't consider Remake and Rebirth to be jRPGs, and that sounds way stranger. Undertale is more of a jRPG than any of these, but it isn't made in Japan.

At this point, the genre just comes down to personal vibes.

For me the rules are basically:

  1. Do you shift from "exploration" to "combat" mode when encountering an enemy? In other words, does the loop consist of some cycle between non-combat/exploration/character customization and combat/dungeon? If yes, you're (probably) a role playing game. This covers most titles, from Dragon Quest to Tales to old-school Final Fantasy.
  2. However, even if there are two distinct modes in the gameplay loop, if combat is predominantly skill / real-time reflex based, I'm likely to consider this an adventure game. To me, there's a clear difference between Tales and FF7 Remake (which ask you to manage energy and input commands) and games like Kingdom Hearts and Nier (which might have "MP" but primarily want you just to hit the enemy with weak/strong attacks and dodge their attacks simultaneously)


This is admittedly just me and probably semantics but it's how I've always thought of the genres. That being said I also consider SRPG's their own genre so I shouldn't have listed FE: Three Houses on mine too.
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can't say that did anything for me

Ahsoka ruled though so I will check it out with low expectations
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Super Star Wars (SNES)
Shadow of the Empire
Kotor
Jedi: Fallen Order
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Kotetsu534 posted...
Valkyria Chronicles 4 hasn't been mentioned but I thought it was very solid.

I wish this was good. Like it's completely fine and I'm glad it exists, but I don't think I actually finished it. It was just missing something that the original (and even the PSP sequel) had

Nier: Automata is more of an rpg than Final Fantasy XVI but I think it's an action game. I've never understood why most players agree that Zelda isn't an rpg but stuff like Nier is.
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9.5

Really would be better I think if the first day was a different case (they'd both be 9.5's or 10's) but it's still great
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Anagram posted...
Street Fighter 2
SSBM
Tekken 3
Soul Calibur 2

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I don't hate it!

However: Berseria is too low. It's missing DQ XI. I'm also assuming Nier:Automata doesn't count as a JRPG (I agree). I respect the OT2 love. I barely consider Ys an rpg but it's good. I'd fit FF7 Remake in there somewhere, knowing it's not as good as Rebirth. I haven't played Infinite Wealth yet. I enjoyed Yakuza: Like a Dragon but honestly not that much.

My list:
  1. Persona 5 Royal
  2. Tales of Berseria
  3. Octopath Traveler 2
  4. FE: Three Houses
  5. Xenoblade 3
  6. FF7 Remake
  7. Dragon Quest XI
  8. Trails of Cold Steel 3
  9. Chained Echoes
  10. Trails into Reverie
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Missile
Shulk
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Monokuma
John Marston
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3/10

Having knowledge in rakugo and buckwheat vs. udon dough should not be requirements to solve a mystery
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Pac-Man
X-Men
Time Crisis
Dance Dance Revolution
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tag
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amazon still actually hasn't sent me this. I preordered the PS5 version in March and I got an email two weeks ago saying it wouldn't arrive until May 7th. who knows if I'll ever get to play not-suikoden
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do you get radiant ward by then?

ATB boost materia while playing as solo Aerith helps a lot too
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Mordin
Joel
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don't worry, konami will release the ports and announce suikoden vi right after

real talk though this is it. I mean the director co-creator died so...
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yeah it's TOTK

should literally be impossible for that game to work on the switch, much less have very few frame drops/glitches at all
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7

It's a good case.

Edit to say more: really slow start and actually maybe too sad? I actually probably like 6-2 more and I wouldn't be surprised if I'm the only one
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So... is this game actually good? Curious to hear how people's playthroughs are going beyond the hype/"controversy" nonsense
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Today I was watching some let's plays and I totally forgot to mention Gilgamesh's Power Rangers reference in his ranking

so I apologize for that
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7/10

I like this one. Finally Trucy gets to be kind of relevant. It's got bunny girls. What isn't to love?
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redrocket posted...
Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart

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TTYD eventually since I've never played it and it's apparently the good paper mario game

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2B
Arthur
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SeabassDebeste posted...
... FFVIII is known for its ending...?

It should be! But I put X on there as a consolation
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Ellie
Armstrong

dang can't believe velvet lost
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Dancedreamer posted...
Red Dead 2.

I thought about including this one but I think it's too drawn out

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3/10

Really rough start to what ends up being a great game. I hate the puns in this one cause they feel weirdly offensive even though I know they're not?
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pretty sure Ending E is the best video game ending
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I thought the idea was Hades is a "rogue lite" not a "rogue like"

it's lesser on the roguelike stuff and more interested in story/character advancement
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Sorry for your loss Pun

I can speak to not having much of an immediate family. I now basically have my sister, her husband, and her nieces. My parents are gone (essentially - my mother has alzheimer's and is not long for this world). My mother is Taiwanese and came to the U.S. in her 20's so I barely know them. My father was estranged from his family too.

It's lonesome for sure
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MacArrowny posted...


Also, Square made a recent announcement that FFXVI was particularly successful with Gen Z, lol. It's apparently the older crowd that they're losing.


Would love to see the metrics by which this was graded, but sure. That's great if that's truly the case and not corpo-speak. I wish Gen Z liked Rebirth more then, since XVI was fine but absolutely not where I want the series to head.

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I'll bump this one more time for the weekday crew with some final thoughts.Other than that, happy to let this topic fade into the purge. I'll also entertain any final questions or requests for more rankings.

Thanks for reading! This was so fun to write, and reminded me of when I did this all the time in the 2000's. I have to say, if it wasn't obvious, I was extremely impressed by this game. It literally feels like my dream "FF7 remake" in many ways.

I wish my enthusiasm transferred to more sales for this game. This should be the FF game that gets the series back on the map. However, all the sales talk seems to be negative, which is a shame. This will happen when you release a series of disappointing/incomplete games for over a decade. There's a real failure on SE's part to attract younger players to the series (aside from FFXIV, which is I think both a blessing and a curse for the series). This is a game made for 40 year old fans, which is why I love the game but also why it isn't breaking sales records. Console exclusivity hurts it somewhat - I know Sony paid some of the development costs, but the future is Steam/PC (unless they completely shift gears and go back to making smaller / retro-influenced games for Nintendo, which I wouldn't be opposed to).

Where does the series go from here? Remake part 3 ideally will receive the Tears of the Kingdom treatment. Basically the same world map with some additions and added emphasis on flight. Hopefully the story features some actual major twists and turns, because if it stays true to the original the best parts of the story have already been covered. Remake Part 3 really needs to be significantly different in order for it not to feel anti-climactic.

As for the series, I think gameplay wise this is how the games should be. Tone down some of the open world stuff to appease the detractors, but keep the Xenoblade esque world map stuff. There needs to be party members and tactical, if not turn-based, battles. Pure action isn't the way to go. Focus on characters.

Last thought: There should not be a FFXVII. Yoshi P is right on this one thing: let's get rid of numbered sequels. I do think it's hurting the series. Switch to subtitles, or maybe do a huge rebrand. Maybe "The Final Fantasy?"

Anyway - thanks again for reading.
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Kurosawa
Godard
Fellini
Hayao Miyazaki
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Velvet
Monika
Clementine
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