George RR Martin has a meltdown about House of the Dragon

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spoilers for the show and fire and blood

https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2024/09/04/beware-the-butterflies/
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Yeah, I read this earlier. I'm gonna go ahead and quote this last, almost hilariously ominous, bit:

And there are larger and more toxic butterflies to come, if HOUSE OF THE DRAGON goes ahead with some of the changes being contemplated for seasons 3 and 4

His talk of toxic butterflies reminds me of some dude on the Final Fantasy boards here who went by Knight_Auron iirc and had this whole shtick about warning everybody that Wada's toxic berries were infecting the franchise... or... something.

I never thought I'd have just cause to remember that, let alone via George RR Martin.
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Maybe write something and people won't have to come up with their own stuff, how about that
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Also have already read this, and I mean I'm not quite as fanatical as some book readers/show watchers, but season 2 definitely had some writing issues. It didn't detract my enjoyment of the show mind you, but they can't possibly have another season 8 fiasco can they? Right?
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Leonhart4 posted...
Maybe write something and people won't have to come up with their own stuff, how about that

He's already written this
Quinton
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Okay then maybe write something instead of boohooing that the show doesn't follow the book 100% how about that
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SaveEstelle posted...
And there are larger and more toxic butterflies to come, if HOUSE OF THE DRAGON goes ahead with some of the changes being contemplated for seasons 3 and 4
This quote instead had me thinking of the literal toxic butterflies on Naath! This is clearly foreshadowing! For... something.
andylt posted...
This quote instead had me thinking of the literal toxic butterflies on Naath! This is clearly foreshadowing! For... something.

That's actually the second thing I thought, haha.

Leonhart4 posted...
Okay then maybe write something instead of boohooing that the show doesn't follow the book 100% how about that

:o :o :o
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yeah, i thought HOTD S2 was pretty lackluster, but this meltdown is pretty pathetic. you've had thirteen years to write winds of winter.

the specific plot detail about maelor is also so trivial. so you missed out on some extra sadism in an exceptionally bloody and sadistic universe, congrats?
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SeabassDebeste posted...
yeah, i thought HOTD S2 was pretty lackluster, but this meltdown is pretty pathetic. you've had thirteen years to write winds of winter.

the specific plot detail about maelor is also so trivial. so you missed out on some extra sadism in an exceptionally bloody and sadistic universe, congrats?

It's also fated to feed the worst voices on the internet. Can't wait to see just how many people get harassed over it, oi.
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If he can write that much in a week, we would already have The Winds of Winter
Sorozone posted...
but they can't possibly have another season 8 fiasco can they? Right?

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SaveEstelle posted...
He's already written this

Oh, I was going to ask if he's actually finished this one before he complains about them not following his vision.
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Why would you come out against this, but not season 8 of GoT?

Cause Season 8 was secretly way closer to Martins vision than anyone knew, and we havent gotten Winds of Winter because hes desperately trying to write himself out of a corner.
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Sorozone posted...
Also have already read this, and I mean I'm not quite as fanatical as some book readers/show watchers, but season 2 definitely had some writing issues. It didn't detract my enjoyment of the show mind you, but they can't possibly have another season 8 fiasco can they? Right?

virtually impossible unless it's from spite. i think a bad outcome would look like S7 of GOT.
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Why isnt he involved in the show? Especially after the disaster of final season of GoT, youd think hed want to be more involved.
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from what i understand he's chosen to focus on writing winds of winter

(lmao)
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There's also the rumor of an Elden Ring something.
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He appears to have deleted the blog post

EDIT: Well now theres a 500 Internal Server Error on the whole site
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redrocket posted...
Cause Season 8 was secretly way closer to Martins vision than anyone knew, and we havent gotten Winds of Winter because hes desperately trying to write himself out of a corner.

But the show already had diverged a lot from the books that were out.
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Very, very odd move to blow up your relationship with a show youre still at least to some extent still involved with. Maybe hes trying to use it to pressure them to make changes, but by doing so hes leveraging a very toxic fandom which isnt great of him.

redrocket posted...
Cause Season 8 was secretly way closer to Martins vision than anyone knew, and we havent gotten Winds of Winter because hes desperately trying to write himself out of a corner.

I mean lets be absolutely clear: the show ending for the major characters is Georges ending, no doubt about that. Of course it is totally different when you actually build to it properly rather than attempting to speedrun it.
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GoT ended and all the major plot points were his ideas. He couldn't very well point the finger there. He's blowing up now because they're basically using Fire & Blood as a loose guide for the fanfiction TV adaption. Still a bad look. Just go finish Winds pls.
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To be fair, the worst part from an actual events of the plot perspective (not pacing, lack of buildup, production etc), the way the Long Night ends, is also the only thing we know definitely does not come from George. Of course I strongly suspect that the reason it ended up that way is that George himself doesnt know how that plotline will end, which might actually be worse.
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I'm honestly not so sure, are major characters the book 1 POV? Because one of those is technically alive in the books while kept dead in the TV show. I wouldn't really be sure.
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LightningStrikes posted...
Of course I strongly suspect that the reason it ended up that way is that George himself doesnt know how that plotline will end, which might actually be worse.

Writing isn't all about knowing ahead of time how things will go. A good writer will just...make it good.
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Leonhart4 posted...
Okay then maybe write something instead of boohooing that the show doesn't follow the book 100% how about that
This is an unbelievably silly position.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
I'm honestly not so sure, are major characters the book 1 POV? Because one of those is technically alive in the books while kept dead in the TV show. I wouldn't really be sure.

The core five in the original plan: Jon, Dany, Bran, Tyrion, Arya. You can throw Sansa in there too. I reckon these storylines are locked as far as the endgame goes, and we already know Bran for certain.

pjbasis posted...
Writing isn't all about knowing ahead of time how things will go. A good writer will just...make it good.

This is very true, a lot of great writers go without an outline. However the concern I have here is I have yet to see a satisfactory idea from anyone as to how that storyline can wrap up. At least not without further dramatically expanding the scope of the narrative which would be terrible.
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Man, back while season 8 was in progress I was all "they've basically set it up to be the seven Queendoms with Ellaria/Cersei/Dany/Sansa/the Greyjoy whose name escapes me/two other random whoevers at the helm still endlessly warring but bound together against the winter and they still fucked it up"

Just... do that. It writes itself. If you have to be sadistic, just off Arya or something and watch the Internet meltdown.
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LightningStrikes posted...
The core five in the original plan: Jon, Dany, Bran, Tyrion, Arya. You can throw Sansa in there too. I reckon these storylines are locked as far as the endgame goes, and we already know Bran for certain.

Is what we know for certain not only that he told them who would sit on the iron throne, hodor and shireen? I mean it's likely true but I feel like you're locking things in based on theory and not confirmation.
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We know a bit more than that in some of the details, Jon&Dany meeting (and, therefore, Jons resurrection), and Jons parentage though that was blatantly obvious. We also know that theres one more big WTF moment that was never confirmed (probably Dany burning Kings Landing imo), and that D&D did stick to multiple characters endings while changing others. The rest is my inference based on the original outline and whats been set up in the narrative. It only makes sense that the core characters would be the ones to change the least.
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Biggest mistake for GRRM are the ages of the characters and their arcs taking place so far apart and too quickly. Arya can't convincingly become a FM in 6 months and go back to kill the Freys as a 10 y/o. Daenerys can't invade Westeros because her dragons are too small, maybe he can pull some bullshit like her killing the Khals in Vaes Dothrak will magically maker her dragons bigger to speed thing up.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
I mean it's likely true but I feel like you're locking things in based on theory and not confirmation.

Don't mean to be stubborn or anything but I still feel like this holds based on what you're saying.

Arya killing Freys is definitely not a lock. That could easily be tied to Caitlyns story.
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I guess its down now, but his rant had spoilers for what would be for season 3 so dont try tracking it down if you dont want to be spoiled
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I was only talking about the ending. Which logically would be the most settled content aside from maybe the stuff immediately following where the books left off much of which would have been written. I agree that Catelyn probably kills the Freys, I wasnt talking about that, I was more referring to what we see in the last episode of the show.
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LightningStrikes posted...
I was only talking about the ending. Which logically would be the most settled content aside from maybe the stuff immediately following where the books left off much of which would have been written. I agree that Catelyn probably kills the Freys, I wasnt talking about that, I was more referring to what we see in the last episode of the show.

The Frey thing was in response to Granzon.

I mean, I fully agree that the end points or at least headlines for Bran, Arya, Tyrion, Dani and Jon are the same, I'm just saying I don't read it as clear cut confirmation but rather solid speculation and that they could have changed one or two of them, perhaps because they had written themselves into a corner.
Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc , the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240904165829/https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2024/09/04/beware-the-butterflies/

In case someone missed it
GANON1025 posted...
I guess its down now, but his rant had spoilers for what would be for season 3 so dont try tracking it down if you dont want to be spoiled

It's okay, we'll have 2+ years before the next season to forget it all.
Change is weird.
some of the lack of S8 complaint is likely because criticizing it can so easily be answered by "D+D didn't think they'd have to write this ending essentially from a back of the napkin plot outline"

it's bad and deserves criticism but GRRM was not equipped to do it because the dude is the last person who should bf criticizing HBO's adaptations of his work
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ctesjbuvf posted...
Arya killing Freys is definitely not a lock. That could easily be tied to Caitlyns story.
It's still not believable for her to become a FM whether she kills Freys or not. She would need years of training.

I also think Stoneheart will die before she can finish the Freys.
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SaveEstelle posted...
It's also fated to feed the worst voices on the internet. Can't wait to see just how many people get harassed over it, oi.

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Imagine believing any of this will happen in the books, when nothing will happen because the books just wont finish.
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hopefully he's so mad he starts writing
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I see ctes, looks like were on basically the same page!

Anagram posted...
Imagine believing any of this will happen in the books, when nothing will happen because the books just wont finish.

Well, at the very least there will definitely be a book called The Winds of Winter that well be able to buy. Not sure if George will be alive when it publishes or if it will be complete as he envisioned it but were getting at least one more!
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if by "we" you mean "our grandchildren" then i'm with you
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pjbasis posted...
hopefully he's so mad he starts writing
We getting more Wild Cards
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htaeD posted...
Critical drinker, here we come.

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