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"As you once did for the vacuous Rom, grant us eyes, grant us eyes!"

He did not rest, he could not rest. Killing a Nightmare could only be the beginning! And during that struggle at the grand lake of mud the Hunter learned a new truth....There is more to hunt than beasts and blood, the hunt would never end as long as He was blind to the cosmos. The eyes, he needed the eyes as well. For to follow in the path of the great ones requires great insight, insight that cannot just be gathered from the skulls of madmen. A visit to Byrgenwerth college would satisfy his new appetite. Not with its books and research notes, but with its still living and crawling experiments. They saw the Hunter approach with their many eyes... seeing is about all they could do. All those secrets memorized inside their eyeballs, lost like blood in the rain.

PREY SLAIN
Isquen was Garden of Eyes, PREY Watcher

Master Willem sought to reach beyond the limits of human understanding. To do so he needed eyes, eyes 'to put on the inside'. But those eyes had to be cultivated inside a seedbed. And those seedbeds became as such against their own will, the experiments turned them into 'a garden'. Yet now Willem sits alone, rich with eyes yet abandoned by his pupils and surrounded by his creations. Creations like you. You no longer resemble what you used to be and cannot even experience the world through anything but sight. But your eyes see all..
You are Garden of Eyes, PREY Watcher
Each night you can target 1 player and you see all of their visitors, name and all.

DONT POST YET
Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora
Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA
Alive:
1. Ben
2. Blade
3. Corrik
4. FD
5. IGCD
6. Ifrit
7. Lopen
8. Mzero
9. Peaf
10. Red
11. Sbell
12. Ulti
13. Wall

Dead:
LD1. JC - NIGHTMARE Roleblocker
KN1. Isquen - PREY Watcher

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

In the end more people voted against extending the day than for. Do not meta this or demand to know who voted what. But because of this, day will end on (Black) Friday 7 PM.

You may post now
Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora
Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA
Killing isquen is not only a major dick move, but also extremely surprising.

Well done yesterday, Ulti.
~Peaf~
Ifrit posted...
I really wish I could compile my thoughts faster.

Lopen has been bugging me for a while, though. He needled Sbell about Ulti joining him on Peaf, but was totally okay with it when Ulti joined him. Recently he still had Ulti as possible scum, but then follows him on to wallz. He also had suspicion on Sbell (which he said led him to believe Peaf was town), but didn't list him as a possible fifth in post #9 (instead having Blade and IGCD). I don't think he's been as consistent as his judge judy would like.

His defense of JC here feels off too. Which makes me think Ulti is right. And JC looks opportunistic here, willing to jump on with whatever lynch as long as it's not him.

##Vote: JC
Well, this looks like someone who knew JC was scum, right? He says he is suddenly so sure JC is scum that he is willing to jump on any lynch train that is not led by JC. But then why would you be open to joining a lynch that isn't JC? Why not just kill JC? I don't see why town makes this comment. It sounds like scum Ifrit is trying to see if there is an angle where he can avoid lynching JC. But at the same time acknowledging that JC is scum so he wont follow JC's preferred candidate.
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/
D1 votals
[6] JC - ( Isquen ), Ulti, (Ben), IGCD, Wallz, Ifrit, Blade, (Corrik), Ben
[3] Ifrit - (Corrik), (Ben), Sbell, (Ben), Lopen, JC
[1] Blade - (IGCD), Peaf, (Lopen), (Ulti), (IGCD), (IGCD)
[1] Isquen - FD, (Lopen), (Corrik), (Ulti)
[1] MZero - Red
[0] Red - (Wallz), (Corrik), (Ben), ( JC )
[0] Peaf - (Sbell), (Blade), (Corrik), (Ulti), ( JC ), (IGCD)
[0] Wallz - (SBell), (IGCD), (Ulti), (Lopen), (IGCD)
[0] IGCD - (Red), (Lopen), (Lopen), ( JC )
[0] FD - (Lopen), (Ulti), (IGCD), (Ulti), (Ben), (Ulti)
[0] Corrik - (Ulti), ( Isquen )
[0] Lopen - (IGCD), ( Isquen )
[0] Sbell - (Lopen), ( JC )
[0] Ben - (Ulti)

No vote down at eod: mzero (none at all during the day, corrik (unvoted jc with 39 seconds to go), and isquen (replaced in at eod)

I haven't had time to really go through and reread d1 but i feel good about Ulti, SBell, Corrik, and igcd.
~Peaf~
So scum is just Ben/Lopen/Sbell. All three trying desperately to save JC yesterday, to no avail.
The user formerly known as Ashethan
PunishedBen posted...
Well, this looks like someone who knew JC was scum, right?
Is certainly easy to see things that way. Jc voting in self preservation mode isn't really scummy, anyway. Town players do that all the time. So his last statement is quite hollow.
~Peaf~


JC made a questionable post [T3P63]

Ben was first to quote it and said "cringe"[T3P65]. Blade quoted it shortly after and remarked "is this post actually saying anything"[T3P72]. They might not have cast the very first vote on JC, but this felt like the start of his lynch.

Peaf responds to Blade "will we join forces on jc?"[T3P76]. That by itself doesn't preclude Peaf from being a JC Scummate, self preservation is a strong motivator, but RBer is a pretty key role usually so Peaf would have to be something equally vital in that scenario.

Ulti is the first to react to JC's fake claim and he does it very loudly, as he does most things. I'm not convinced of Ulti's innocence based on this, I would not put it past him to pounce on a scummate for making a misstep (a combination of poor posts and a badly selected flavor/role combination). But it's a step in the "town" direction for ulti. Incidentally I gave corrik's day 1 play bonus points as he had locked JC into team "no move" which combined with the claimed vanilla flavor had a lot to do with his death.

With 3 minutes to go Corrik says "Jc real claim?" (T3P317) Feels like it could be a hail mary to give JC a chance to recant and squeeze someone else in at the deadline. Corrik had swapped his vote to red at that point, he swapped it to a JC vote with 57 seconds to EoD and then swapped it to NO vote 18 seconds later. At the time it was still 5/4 and it wasn't until Ben swapped from Ifrit to JC that it put things comfortable out of reach. Combined with his 'cringe' comment earlier I can't help but like Ben's involvement in JC's lynch, regardless of my feelings about his earlier play.

So Ben, Blade and Ulti all look better. Peaf mayyybe looks better? Corrik looks both better and worse.

.

On a different note I did not appreciate Ben chastizing me for "not providing" the Move / No Move list as though I'm the only person capable of tracking information. For one this was Corriks thing and he had already posted a fairly updated last the prior topic. For another I was at work and not at home with my spreadsheets. For another another I hadn't even updated my spreadsheet with any of the information yet because other than move/no move we basically didn't have anything.

But now that I had time here's what I have so far:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c52c33d6.png
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/76104c3c.png

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c408c251.png
~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
I also added a new feature to my Votals spreadsheet so I can isolate 1 player at a time. Here's Lopen D1 Votes:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7b14957e.png
~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
PeaceFrog posted...
Is certainly easy to see things that way. Jc voting in self preservation mode isn't really scummy, anyway. Town players do that all the time. So his last statement is quite hollow.

It's not self preservation. It's opportunistic. There's a difference. Self-preservation is "There's two lynches, I'll vote for the one that's not me." Opportunistic is "I'm the only lynch candidate, let's special anybody, without even caring about trying to hit scum." as a Vanilla.
The user formerly known as Ashethan
Ifrit posted...
So scum is just Ben/Lopen/Sbell. All three trying desperately to save JC yesterday, to no avail.

lol what? Ben was pretty damn vital in the JC lynch.
~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
So I think the JC vote was probably pure based on it being Roleblocker. Which makes for a great day 2 start.

Ulti I'm sorry for having any inclination of doubt for you.

Lopen, care to explain why you were trying to save the Roleblocker so badly?
All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental.
. PeaceFrog posted...
Killing isquen is not only a major dick move, but also extremely surprising.

Well done yesterday, Ulti.
I wouldn't call the kill surprising when several people were calling him confirmed or virtually confirmed town after the replace.

Personally I thought Sultan's slot was doctor after the replace (I don't think he does that replace as town vanilla or as scum) which is why I part of why I was so against Isquen pressure afterwards. The one person who bugged me after the replace was Ben. While most players took a hard stance, his posts concerning Isquen felt very passive.
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104
Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
##Dayvig: SBell
MZero , to the extreme
https://www.twitch.tv/kabazame
Oh I just claimed not doctor without even thinking about it lolme
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104
Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
But there wasn't one single alternative to him, so i think it's a weak point. Was it Blade who pointed out that jc was clinging to old trains (me & blade) and not taking in anything new? Now that's a good argument against jc.
~Peaf~
PunishedBen posted...
Well, this looks like someone who knew JC was scum, right? He says he is suddenly so sure JC is scum that he is willing to jump on any lynch train that is not led by JC. But then why would you be open to joining a lynch that isn't JC? Why not just kill JC? I don't see why town makes this comment. It sounds like scum Ifrit is trying to see if there is an angle where he can avoid lynching JC. But at the same time acknowledging that JC is scum so he wont follow JC's preferred candidate.

Mind meld with Ben here he made the argument I was gonna make to start the day

##Vote: Ifrit

Really think wallz ifrit JC were all scum. If any flip town you guys can get on me for stanning for JC then
No problem!
This is a cute and pop genocide of love!
Forceful_Dragon posted...
lol what? Ben was pretty damn vital in the JC lynch.

Were we paying attention to the same lynch? He was fighting that tooth and nail until the end.
The user formerly known as Ashethan
Forceful_Dragon posted...
I also added a new feature to my Votals spreadsheet so I can isolate 1 player at a time. Here's Lopen D1 Votes:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7b14957e.png
So pretty much exclusively people that killed JC

All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental.
Ifrit posted...
So scum is just Ben/Lopen/Sbell. All three trying desperately to save JC yesterday, to no avail.
Is that what you think I was doing? I was on JC originally, but I like to have some fun at EoD and see what counter trains can be baited. But if that's the logic then the 3 of us just needed to vote for someone that wasn't you and already had one vote, and then the vote would have been tied.
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/
IfGodCouldDie posted...
Lopen, care to explain why you were trying to save the Roleblocker so badly?

I wasn't. Just thought Wallz and Ifrit were better lynches
No problem!
This is a cute and pop genocide of love!
STOP
stop
STOP
Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora
Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA
Forceful_Dragon posted...
JC made a questionable post [T3P63]

Ben was first to quote it and said "cringe"[T3P65]. Blade quoted it shortly after and remarked "is this post actually saying anything"[T3P72]. They might not have cast the very first vote on JC, but this felt like the start of his lynch.

Peaf responds to Blade "will we join forces on jc?"[T3P76]. That by itself doesn't preclude Peaf from being a JC Scummate, self preservation is a strong motivator, but RBer is a pretty key role usually so Peaf would have to be something equally vital in that scenario.

Ulti is the first to react to JC's fake claim and he does it very loudly, as he does most things. I'm not convinced of Ulti's innocence based on this, I would not put it past him to pounce on a scummate for making a misstep (a combination of poor posts and a badly selected flavor/role combination). But it's a step in the "town" direction for ulti. Incidentally I gave corrik's day 1 play bonus points as he had locked JC into team "no move" which combined with the claimed vanilla flavor had a lot to do with his death.

With 3 minutes to go Corrik says "Jc real claim?" (T3P317) Feels like it could be a hail mary to give JC a chance to recant and squeeze someone else in at the deadline. Corrik had swapped his vote to red at that point, he swapped it to a JC vote with 57 seconds to EoD and then swapped it to NO vote 18 seconds later. At the time it was still 5/4 and it wasn't until Ben swapped from Ifrit to JC that it put things comfortable out of reach. Combined with his 'cringe' comment earlier I can't help but like Ben's involvement in JC's lynch, regardless of my feelings about his earlier play.

So Ben, Blade and Ulti all look better. Peaf mayyybe looks better? Corrik looks both better and worse.

.

On a different note I did not appreciate Ben chastizing me for "not providing" the Move / No Move list as though I'm the only person capable of tracking information. For one this was Corriks thing and he had already posted a fairly updated last the prior topic. For another I was at work and not at home with my spreadsheets. For another another I hadn't even updated my spreadsheet with any of the information yet because other than move/no move we basically didn't have anything.

But now that I had time here's what I have so far:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c52c33d6.png
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/76104c3c.png

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c408c251.png
My biggest issue with Peaf is he left his vote on me, which in no way did anything but refusal committal to any train that actually mattered.
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104
Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
IfGodCouldDie posted...
So pretty much exclusively people that killed JC


I mean 1 day isn't necessarily damning, but I ran a few names and his seemed to correlate with scum JC the most.

Ifrit posted...
Were we paying attention to the same lynch? He was fighting that tooth and nail until the end.

he also helped get the ball rolling from a standstill and put the lynch out of reach. I'll take another look at end of day, but what you are saying isn't the impression I got from my first pass.
~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
Lopen posted...
Mind meld with Ben here he made the argument I was gonna make to start the day

##Vote: Ifrit

Really think wallz ifrit JC were all scum. If any flip town you guys can get on me for stanning for JC then
I notice JC took till the last minute to put his vote on anyone to save himself. That definitely puts anyone who was a big lynch candidate near EoD (besides Blade, who JC was pushing) in a very scummy light. Wallz was one of them IIRC
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/
htaeD posted...
STOP
stop
STOP

All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental.
No flavor because its late and I also dont want to keep the game waiting.

Sbell has died.
He was Brainsucker, PREY Vanilla

Most beasts and hunters seek the blood, but you seek something far more valuable: Insight. Insight is the true currency of Yharnam. Each time a lesser creature received a revelation from above, they gain insight: whether they consume knowledge left behind by madmen or get a glimpse of a whole new reality. And the power to steal insight has been stitched into your own brain literally, transforming you into a creature neither man nor beast. You can trap your prey with psychic powers or your own thin claws and suck the brains right out of them...
If only there was something you could do with your knowledge, if only you cared about anything beyond the brainsucking itself.

You are the Brainsucker, PREY Vanilla
You have no powers but your vote. You win when all threats to the prey have been eliminated.


Nobody will be punished for posting after the stop since it was all rather sudden.
Votals have been reset.


Alive:
1. Ben
2. Blade
3. Corrik
4. FD
5. IGCD
6. Ifrit
7. Lopen
8. Mzero
9. Peaf
10. Red
11. Ulti
12. Wall

Dead:
LD1. JC - NIGHTMARE Roleblocker
KN1. Isquen - PREY Watcher
KD2. Sbell - PREY Vanilla

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Proceed with the hunt
Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora
Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA
Uh

What
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104
Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
Good.. job, Mzero?
All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental.
You confirmed yourself town but you killed my strongest town read.
I respect the balls to go for it but dammit, man. I would have video taped myself eating a shoe if sbell was scum this game.
~Peaf~
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PeaceFrog posted...
You confirmed yourself town but you killed my strongest town read.
I respect the balls to go for it but dammit, man. I would have video taped myself eating a shoe if sbell was scum this game.
SBell was also one of my top townreads.

I want an explanation for that shot.
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104
Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
As I said in the signup topic

In to dayvig SBell, as is From Soft mafia tradition

My work here is done
MZero , to the extreme
https://www.twitch.tv/kabazame
Not as pretty as fd's, but here's the new update.

D1 votals
[6] JC - ( Isquen ), Ulti, (Ben), IGCD, Wallz, Ifrit, Blade, (Corrik), Ben
[3] Ifrit - (Corrik), (Ben), Sbell , (Ben), Lopen, JC
[1] Blade - (IGCD), Peaf, (Lopen), (Ulti), (IGCD), (IGCD)
[1] Isquen - FD, (Lopen), (Corrik), (Ulti)
[1] MZero - Red
[0] Red - (Wallz), (Corrik), (Ben), ( JC )
[0] Peaf - ( Sbell ), (Blade), (Corrik), (Ulti), ( JC ), (IGCD)
[0] Wallz - ( SBell ), (IGCD), (Ulti), (Lopen), (IGCD)
[0] IGCD - (Red), (Lopen), (Lopen), ( JC )
[0] FD - (Lopen), (Ulti), (IGCD), (Ulti), (Ben), (Ulti)
[0] Corrik - (Ulti), ( Isquen )
[0] Lopen - (IGCD), ( Isquen )
[0] Sbell - (Lopen), ( JC )
[0] Ben - (Ulti)

No vote down at eod: mzero (none at all during the day), corrik (unvoted jc with 39 seconds to go), and isquen (replaced in at eod)

Are you still going to argue that they're all scum, Ifrit?
~Peaf~
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But seriously I thought he was avoiding the JC lynch yesterday and I was perhaps a bit blinded by how epic it would be if I wad right

Sorry SBell
MZero , to the extreme
https://www.twitch.tv/kabazame
MZero posted...
As I said in the signup topic

My work here is done
I swear if MZero rolled Mafia Dayvig and just pulled the greatest trolling act of the century all I can do is laugh
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104
Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
Should have shot Ifrit or Wallz imo
No problem!
This is a cute and pop genocide of love!
Wallz,
why were you not worried about being lynched yesterday?

undefined posted...
FYI if your diet is bad, your gut health may be compromised.

Im not worried about being mislynched today. But this feels more like wrong town sbell instead of scum sbell so far.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/
Mzero joins games to not consult with town and to vig Sbell.
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/
UltimaterializerX posted...
Dayvigs are not confirmed town.
I would have thought that scum dayvig, outside of "oops all dayvigs", would be as banned as insane psychic.

Are we gonna mass today, Ulti?
~Peaf~
Post #42 was unavailable or deleted.
Why did you not kill him first post of the game?
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/26864890/
UltimaterializerX posted...
Clown
Ulti, enough.
All posters and events depicted in this post are entirely fictitious. Any similarity to actual events or posters, living or dead, is purely coincidental.
PeaceFrog posted...
I would have thought that scum dayvig, outside of "oops all dayvigs", would be as banned as insane psychic.

Are we gonna mass today, Ulti?
We've seen a scum dayvig a couple of times. I believe it was Pj who won as scum dayvig by immediately dayvigging a scumbuddy and then coasting the rest of the game without getting a vote.
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104
Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
Why the fuck would you kill sbell.

Also pretty sure we kill Lopen, probably Ashe.

Seems easy.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3f80227c.png

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a727b9a6.png
~C~ FD
http://i.imgur.com/dGDfxaw.png
PunishedBen posted...
Why did you not kill him first post of the game?
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in numbers. ~War13104
Never stoop to the level of idiots. They will drag you down and beat you with experience.
PunishedBen posted...
Why did you not kill him first post of the game?

I can't shoot day 1
MZero , to the extreme
https://www.twitch.tv/kabazame
PeaceFrog posted...
You confirmed yourself town but you killed my strongest town read.
I respect the balls to go for it but dammit, man. I would have video taped myself eating a shoe if sbell was scum this game.
Excuse my hair

https://youtube.com/shorts/Tz675KVV3Q8
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