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BetrayedTangy
05/09/2020
07:50 AM
#101
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Not a "blatant" cash grab, but it was a commercial movie nonetheless.

Successful =/= commercial.

The ST is solely reliant on the franchise name and nostalgia. They had no vision and as a result the story and characters are all cookie cutter and bland.

The Godfather was made with an artistic vision behind it. It was successful solely based upon how well made it was.
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CassandraCain
05/09/2020
08:07 AM
#102
The prequels were a cash grab too buddy

Story was slapped together as an excuse to show off the new age special effects that are horribly outdated now
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BetrayedTangy
05/09/2020
08:15 AM
#103
CassandraCain posted...
The prequels were a cash grab too buddy

Story was slapped together as an excuse to show off the new age special effects that are horribly outdated now

Oh yeah I know, I'm mostly drawing issue with comparing The Godfather to the Sequel Trilogy.

Prequels vs. Sequels is whatever they're both bad and I think that just comes down to preference
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CassandraCain
05/09/2020
08:26 AM
#104
Oh my bad I mistakenly thought you posted the original comment about the prequels being creative/imaginative, oops. My reading comprehension failed hard.

It really does come down to preference, the more I think about it the less I can actually fault people for preferring the prequels. I mean they are still enjoyable in their own way, I can still go back and watch them every once in a while just for the comfort they provide. I don't get that from the new movies, and I don't see myself ever watching Rise of Skywalker again.

But the first two movies in the trilogy are still pretty good and I love Kylo Ren so I'm firm in my ST > PT stance.
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Lightning Strikes
05/09/2020
08:36 AM
#105
I agree with what LtM says about VI. It gets away with a lot just by virtue of being in the OT. It is not that far above the prequels, and definitely worse than III. IIIs problem at the end of the day comes down to a handful of silly lines and one or two bad performances. VI is a movie that is structurally fundamentally flawed.

Anyway, V>VIII>IV>VII>III>VI>II>IX>I

OT>ST>PT

IX is in some ways my least favourite but it is competently made enough to save it from being last.
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BetrayedTangy
05/09/2020
09:00 AM
#106
CassandraCain posted...
Oh my bad I mistakenly thought you posted the original comment about the prequels being creative/imaginative, oops. My reading comprehension failed hard.

It really does come down to preference, the more I think about it the less I can actually fault people for preferring the prequels. I mean they are still enjoyable in their own way, I can still go back and watch them every once in a while just for the comfort they provide. I don't get that from the new movies, and I don't see myself ever watching Rise of Skywalker again.

But the first two movies in the trilogy are still pretty good and I love Kylo Ren so I'm firm in my ST > PT stance.

Haha you're good I do that all the time.

And yeah I totally understand how the prequels ruined the franchise for a lot of people and how the sequels at least tried to respect how the fans felt. That said I loved the universe building the prequels had.

I also completely agree with you on Kylo Ren, he was probably the coolest part of the sequels, I wish they would've done more with him
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LinkMarioSamus
05/09/2020
09:22 AM
#107
BetrayedTangy posted...
Oh yeah I know, I'm mostly drawing issue with comparing The Godfather to the Sequel Trilogy.

Prequels vs. Sequels is whatever they're both bad and I think that just comes down to preference

Coppola literally directed all three films just because money, and the film was based on a best-selling novel.

Or fine, it's like saying Battlefield Earth is better than The Lion King.
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redrocket
05/09/2020
09:25 AM
#108
You realize Battlefield Earth was also an adaptation of a novel, right?
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BetrayedTangy
05/09/2020
09:36 AM
#109
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Coppola literally directed all three films just because money, and the film was based on a best-selling novel.

Or fine, it's like saying Battlefield Earth is better than The Lion King.

Well yeah, but he still made sure it was done right and worked directly with the author and did it right, plus I'm pretty sure they bought the movie rights before the book was released.

And yeah assuming we're talking the remake that's a much more apt comparison. I'd rather watch Battlefield Earth in that scenario easily, at least I'll have a good laugh
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LinkMarioSamus
05/09/2020
09:56 AM
#110
Even the original was just released so Disney would have something for Summer of '94.
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MZero11
05/09/2020
10:56 AM
#111
OT > ST > PT

ST just needed better characters tbh
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LinkMarioSamus
05/09/2020
11:01 AM
#112
For my Battlefield Earth vs. Godfather comparison, I meant more in terms of the former being a "Doing it For the Art" project and the latter being a more commercial venture. Otherwise you could say it's like:

-saying Lady in the Water is better than The Departed
-saying North is better than The Dark Knight

The sequel trilogy is very flawed, but I swear so many of the arguments of the film lack depth. Tried to watch Mauler's critique of The Force Awakens and it felt like he could have gotten across what he did in 3 hours in 45 minutes. And he always turns anyone who disagrees with him into a straw figure.
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BetrayedTangy
05/09/2020
01:07 PM
#113
But that's just it your argument lacks depth as well.

First off just about every film exists to make money, the difference being the level of care put into them. The Dark Knight is a great example it's part of a huge film franchise, but you can tell Christopher Nolan took the time to make it his vision. Whereas Batman & Robin on the other hand is there to sell toys. George Clooney has gone on record saying he doesn't even understand Batman as a character.

Which leads us to Star Wars. The OT was very much Lucas' vision with competent creators behind it.

The issue with the PT is largely Lucas. He had total control and took on more than he could handle competently, resulting in the mess.

The ST on the other hand are much more competently made, with good special effects, decent writing and acting. But George Lucas had nothing to do with it, many people who dislike the ST do so because they don't think it feels like Star Wars.
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swordz9
05/09/2020
01:16 PM
#114
I liked Finn enough in TFA. They just never seem to know what to do with his character. In the last movie he basically just exists to shout Reys name. Poe is also one they couldnt seem to decide what to do with.
LinkMarioSamus
05/09/2020
01:21 PM
#115
BetrayedTangy posted...
But that's just it your argument lacks depth as well.

First off just about every film exists to make money, the difference being the level of care put into them. The Dark Knight is a great example it's part of a huge film franchise, but you can tell Christopher Nolan took the time to make it his vision. Whereas Batman & Robin on the other hand is there to sell toys. George Clooney has gone on record saying he doesn't even understand Batman as a character.

Which leads us to Star Wars. The OT was very much Lucas' vision with competent creators behind it.

The issue with the PT is largely Lucas. He had total control and took on more than he could handle competently, resulting in the mess.

The ST on the other hand are much more competently made, with good special effects, decent writing and acting. But George Lucas had nothing to do with it, many people who dislike the ST do so because they don't think it feels like Star Wars.

I never made any pretension to it. People who hate the sequel trilogy rant on and on about it and say very little for it. I almost don't understand why someone could possibly hate the movies that much, and even then most of what I do understand is due to outside influences.

And f*** people acting like more characters played by women and people of color somehow has an adverse effect on the movies' quality. The more I think about it, the more that just makes everyone making such a complaint look like a horribly intolerant bigot.
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scarletspeed7
05/09/2020
01:23 PM
#116
I don't think anyone in this topic is doing that.
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LinkMarioSamus
05/09/2020
01:28 PM
#117
Not in this topic no, thank god.

We can actually discuss movies with "diverse" casts without getting into political arguments!
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scarletspeed7
05/09/2020
01:30 PM
#118
The cast is all human. Doesn't seem that diverse.
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BetrayedTangy
05/09/2020
01:37 PM
#119
Yeah i really don't see what you're arguing for here. I think it's pretty clear why people don't like the sequels
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scarletspeed7
05/09/2020
01:41 PM
#120
I don't want to bore everyone here with my uninteresting takes, but I think the Sequel Trilogy really is just indicative of how the studio executive side of Hollywood can too easily make something that could be excellent worse. I'm always reminded of how NBC execs thought they had cast Friends so well, and they proceeded to try and run everything else into the ground with their incessant notetaking in the decade following that, essentially putting NBC into 4th as a network after reigning supreme at the top for so long. This was probably most notable with SNL going through a lot of creative upheaval, notably with the Weekend Update situation and Norm MacDonald. Disney seems to have the same sense of "we've been successful with Marvel - now it's time to take to Star Wars the same way."
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LinkMarioSamus
05/09/2020
01:48 PM
#121
scarletspeed7 posted...
The cast is all human. Doesn't seem that diverse.

Haha I meant in terms of race and gender. Agreed on this front.
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Safer_777
05/09/2020
01:59 PM
#122
Are really Americans caring about diversity? I mean these aren't humans, they are aliens you know. They are not supposed to represent us.
So why we exist? What happens when we stop existing?
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CassandraCain
05/09/2020
02:19 PM
#123
They absolutely are humans

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Human
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