God. None of the above. Probably HW I guess. It's definitely not Reagan or W.
HW
Would be Nixon if not for Watergate etc
HW > Ford >>>> the rest >>>>>>>> Trump
I'm curious as to why MWC has Ford over W
Kenri posted...
God. None of the above. Probably HW I guess. It's definitely not Reagan or W.
Reagan is by every metric (except salty liberal who thinks the Roosevelts were anything except trash) the best Preident since the damn surrender at Appomattox.
HW > Ford >>>> the rest >>>>>>>> Trump
Nixon.
Sure, he did a lot of terrible things OTHER than watergate. But there were also a number of good things he did--like Title IX and the EPA. Still not a good President, just better than the others. Which says more about the others than it does Nixon tbh.
the only people who would class him as trash are extreme conservatives who believe that all government is evil.
How badly would Eisenhower be dominating if the poll's window was extended slightly.
EmDubyaSee posted...
Kenri posted...
God. None of the above. Probably HW I guess. It's definitely not Reagan or W.
Reagan is by every metric (except salty liberal who thinks the Roosevelts were anything except trash) the best Preident since the damn surrender at Appomattox.
Man what.
The Roosevelts (especially FDR) both consistently score very highly in bipartisan ratings of presidents; FDR is almost invariavly top three in particular. FDR was responsible for a lot of what made America arguably the world's greatest country post-WW2 (it certainly wasn't Coolidge or Hoover!); the only people who would class him as trash are extreme conservatives who believe that all government is evil.
Anyway I voted for Nixon, despite Watergate. Policy-wise he is one of the most obviously positive presidents in the group. Watergate is totally a valid reason not to vote for him, though. At which point... Ford and HW both fall into a group of "decent human being, generally neutral presidents" which I guess is the next best. Reagan was a principled leader who helped bring about the end of the Cold War but trickle-down economics is basically a big failure that continues to hurt America today (although to his credit he had the decency to realise a mistake and backpedaled on it somewhat, which I feel many of his disciples would never do). Oh and the War on Drugs.
How badly would Eisenhower be dominating if the poll's window was extended slightly.
EmDubyaSee posted...
Kenri posted...
God. None of the above. Probably HW I guess. It's definitely not Reagan or W.
Reagan is by every metric (except salty liberal who thinks the Roosevelts were anything except trash) the best Preident since the damn surrender at Appomattox.
Man what.
The Roosevelts (especially FDR) both consistently score very highly in bipartisan ratings of presidents; FDR is almost invariavly top three in particular. FDR was responsible for a lot of what made America arguably the world's greatest country post-WW2 (it certainly wasn't Coolidge or Hoover!); the only people who would class him as trash are extreme conservatives who believe that all government is evil.
Anyway I voted for Nixon, despite Watergate. Policy-wise he is one of the most obviously positive presidents in the group. Watergate is totally a valid reason not to vote for him, though. At which point... Ford and HW both fall into a group of "decent human being, generally neutral presidents" which I guess is the next best. Reagan was a principled leader who helped bring about the end of the Cold War but trickle-down economics is basically a big failure that continues to hurt America today (although to his credit he had the decency to realise a mistake and backpedaled on it somewhat, which I feel many of his disciples would never do). Oh and the War on Drugs.
You guys are clearly really young and don't remember how awful the Bush 1 presidency was. Or how beloved Reagan was, even by most people on the left. He was so liked that even legitimate issues would bounce off the guy because no one really wanted to attack him.
Nixon probably wins without Watergate. The election where he won every state but one is really funny to read about.
Elfboy vs. MWC is like Edgeworth vs. Sebastian DeBeste
Trump doesn't count, by the way. He's only been in office five months. We have no idea what his impact will be yet.
Raegan"s War on Drugs was basically mass murder.
If Eisenhower were in the group, he'd be the choice and it wouldn't be remotely close.
Aside from Watergate, Nixon was actually pretty damn good. Hell of a lot smarter than the other guys on the list.
The War on Drugs is also a really awful part of Nixon's legacy that I have trouble with.
A brilliant politician, and there was good done during his term (remember when republicans used to give a shit about the environment?) but yeah, I dunno. If we could get around those two big albatrosses we could talk.
I'm pretty sure that's why the cutoff was there, Eisenhower was actually a decent president
Raegan
Reagan is the most overrated president of all time. Like, maybe even for world leaders ever.
"Coincidentally", this is the same cult that worships Trump now.
