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thronedfire2 posted...
and they'll continue to do nothing about it until they have large enough armies
The US would be overwhelmed by a coalition of forces. The issue is getting past our Navy to deliver those forces.
Carpe petat
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Strider102 posted...
And the world is going to hate us more than they already do right now if our military operates like that.
I don't think Hegseth or Trump care though
StarFighters76 posted...
They are being realistic. And if being realistic is dooming, then so be it. Being positive and optimistic about what's happening, just means you're blind to the reality, whether by choice or naively. So let's stop with this ridiculous "stop being a doomer" crap.

I'm being realistic too. Not everyone in the military will be on board with any gunning down of American citizens.
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StarFighters76 posted...
They are being realistic. And if being realistic is dooming, then so be it. Being positive and optimistic about what's happening, just means you're blind to the reality, whether by choice or naively. So let's stop with this ridiculous "stop being a doomer" crap.
Neither is productive. The people who respond to every hint of hope or optimism with its cute that you think that are at least as awful as those who just go stop dooming.
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thronedfire2 posted...
and they'll continue to do nothing about it until they have large enough armies
The entire EU should just merge into a giant nation and build up its own military to rival the US
Takuya_Lee posted...
I'm being realistic too. Not everyone in the military will be on board with any gunning down of American citizens.
What precise percentage of "willing to shoot" is necessary for it to become a concern?

Clearly there's some sort of threshold if you feel so confident, so lay it on us.

5%?

10%?
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GeraldDarko posted...
The US would be overwhelmed by a coalition of forces. The issue is getting past our Navy to deliver those forces.

we have nukes
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Why the fuck did America vote for this!?
Short answer: we allowed 40 years worth of republican propaganda to take root and fester in our country.

Long answer: We didn't grind the southern racist ideology under our boot when we should have.
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thronedfire2 posted...
we have nukes
So do they.
That's the problem with with using them.
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Zikten posted...
I don't think Hegseth or Trump care though

Oh I know that.
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Zikten posted...
The entire EU should just merge into a giant nation and build up its own military to rival the US

lol
If y'all had just voted Bernie in 2016 in the primaries literally none of this would ever have happened.

I will never stop rubbing everyone's noses in the dog poop. You all had the right options laid out.
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doshindude posted...
If y'all had just voted Bernie in 2016 in the primaries literally none of this would ever have happened.

I will never stop rubbing everyone's noses in the dog poop. You all had the right options laid out.
LOL. If Bernie had won the 2016 primary, that general election would have been a total fuckfest with Republicans, their tools in the mainstream media, and a regrettably large fraction of the Democratic party all collaborating to ensure Bernie lost the general.

Since the morons in the middle of the US electorate, then and now, are stupid and easily led, it would have worked. Hell, Trump would have probably won the popular vote in 2016.
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doshindude posted...
If y'all had just voted Bernie in 2016 in the primaries literally none of this would ever have happened.

I will never stop rubbing everyone's noses in the dog poop. You all had the right options laid out.
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doshindude posted...
If y'all had just voted Bernie in 2016 in the primaries literally none of this would ever have happened.

I will never stop rubbing everyone's noses in the dog poop. You all had the right options laid out.

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thronedfire2 posted...
and they'll continue to do nothing about it

Fixed. The Aussie government seems fairly keen to suck the proverbial penis of their US masters, or rather a large faction within them want to and hold enough of a controlling stake in the party they'd blow the entire thing up if the rest started to try to separate from the US (they're still clinging to AUKUS for instance and giving Trump the bribe money for nothing).

The US is going to simply slowly erode itself and then violently implode at some point in the future. They will drag the rest of the developed world with them because, frankly, the entirety of the free worlds governments don't want to make tough calls and just want to carry on at the trough stuffing their snouts. If that means selling out the world to the US then they'll do it without a second thought.

From the ashes of the old world order China will rise, and the West will be the smaller power because instead of spending these important last few years building up power they're all suckling on the teet of the US still.
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doshindude posted...
If y'all had just voted Bernie in 2016 in the primaries literally none of this would ever have happened.

I will never stop rubbing everyone's noses in the dog poop. You all had the right options laid out.

I love Bernie but, he had no chance. If he can't even beat his own party what makes you think he could republicans?
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M1Astray posted...
Fixed. The Aussie government seems fairly keen to suck the proverbial penis of their US masters, or rather a large faction within them want to and hold enough of a controlling stake in the party they'd blow the entire thing up if the rest started to try to separate from the US (they're still clinging to AUKUS for instance and giving Trump the bribe money for nothing).

The US is going to simply slowly erode itself and then violently implode at some point in the future. They will drag the rest of the developed world with them because, frankly, the entirety of the free worlds governments don't want to make tough calls and just want to carry on at the trough stuffing their snouts. If that means selling out the world to the US then they'll do it without a second thought.

From the ashes of the old world order China will rise, and the West will be the smaller power because instead of spending these important last few years building up power they're all suckling on the teet of the US still.
And then the shit hits the fan from climate change, and moots everything.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Why the fuck did America vote for this!?

Because most Americans are selfish and cruel. Egg prices, gas prices, grocery prices are too high! Thanks Biden! Trump is going to fix everything! The world is increasingly heading towards fascism because the 1% control our media and are all conservative.
Holy Diver.
EPR-radar posted...
And then the shit hits the fan from climate change, and moots everything.

TBH as much as I worry about climate change I still think there's too many variables in play to count on the end just yet. We're on track for it right now but you never know what tomorrow will bring, and I still believe there's a strong possibility civilization collapses before the planet hits a mass extinction 'Great Dying 2.0' tipping point.

Put simply I 110% believe in Collapse, and I believe we'll live to see it (and die during it), but there's too many variables both leading up to it and during it to necessarily count on climate change hitting certain thresholds.

The worst case scenarios (which we are presently on track for) project 3.0C of warming by 2050 and 5-6.0C of warming by 2100, but both of those count on humans still having industrialization. No bets that the species does past 2040.
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Doe posted...
Hegseth: "Basic training is being restored to what it should be -- scary, tough, and disciplined. We're empowering drill sergeants to instill healthy fear in new recruits, ensuring that future warfighters are forged ... they can put hands on recruits."
The Navy literally took Chaplains, SEAL psychologists and SEALs to develop a robust resiliency program for recruits to undergo operational pressure and stress and overcome it.

Throwing chairs and shit isn't part of it. And I don't think Hegseth has any understanding of what is effective or necessary in today's military.

I mean shit the guy keeps talking about the historical War Department without seeming to understand just how evolved the modern Department of Defense is compared to that. The role of the Joint Chiefs of Staff isn't the same as it was in World War 2. The role of the "War Secretary" isn't the same as it was in World War 2 because... it was essentially the Secretary of the Department of the Army. The *military* isn't the same as it was in World War 2. Just calling things differently because you want to sound like a badass is disrespectful to the very history and heritage of the military structure of the US.

He was joined by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, who declared an end to woke culture and announced new directives for troops that include gender-neutral or male-level standards for physical fitness.

Honestly just asinine if they are going to make fitness standards more stringent when women account for 18.5% of the military and many of the jobs these days are in support roles anyway.

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Hexenherz posted...
Honestly just asinine if they are going to make fitness standards more stringent when women account for 18.5% of the military and many of the jobs these days are in support roles anyway.
They don't believe women have a place anywhere except at home, popping out another baby every year.
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Hegseth would like to encourage all women and non white men to leave the military
JadeBaby posted...
Hegseth says our rules of engagement are "stupid" and "politically correct".

Uhh, is he suggesting military personnel commit war crimes?
Trump pardoned literal war criminals during his first term. There was one junior officer in charge of a unit who was convicted of violating laws every single day of his short command by issuing orders to his forces to fire on unarmed locals.

UnholyMudcrab posted...
They don't believe women have a place anywhere except at home, popping out another baby every year.
Yeah it just melts my mind to even imagine that sort of point of view can exist in this century.

My service has always been bettered by the collaboration and contributions of everyone I've served with, except for the few bad apples you run into but in a microculture reflective of a national mixed culture of 360+ million people that's always going to happen anyway.

I know this is the continuation of a trend that has existed since the inception of the country, but it is absolutely insane and heartbreaking that the simple belief that everyone deserves equal rights and opportunities is being openly vilified and demonized after so much progress has been made.

It's the fact that the military has historically been one of the most progressive elements of American society - desegregation officially happened in 1948 (schools didn't desegregate until 1954 and workplaces - 1964), DADT was repealed in 2010 (wasn't until 2015 that the Supreme Court ruled same sex marriage was even legal federally), women have had important and varying roles throughout the years.

And they want to undo all of that. Just disgraceful.
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Hexenherz posted...
And I don't think Hegseth has any understanding of what is effective or necessary in today's military.

Hegseth just watched Full Metal Jacket and said "that's what we need" and if anything isn't explained by that movie he finds the answer in a Jordan Peterson quote.
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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I was expecting him to raise the draft age and possibly mandatory military service for men.
Ultima_Fury posted...
I was expecting him to raise the draft age and possibly mandatory military service for men.

There would be a rebellion overnight.
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Ultima_Fury posted...
I was expecting him to raise the draft age and possibly mandatory military service for men.
Or lower it. I could see Trump wanting to draft 15 year olds
So since he changed the name from Department of Defense to Department of War, who are we preparing to go to war with? Im guessing well be at war with China by the end of Trumps second term. Or just people in blue states?
Ultima_Fury posted...
So since he changed the name from Department of Defense to Department of War, who are we preparing to go to war with? Im guessing well be at war with China by the end of Trumps second term. Or just people in blue states?
Probably Venezuela but maybe Mexico
Zikten posted...
Or lower it. I could see Trump wanting to draft 15 year olds
Yeah lowering makes more sense than raising
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Ultima_Fury posted...
I wonder what he got against beards? I know there are grooming standards. But why is it always depicted that special forces operators always have thick bushy beards?
He doesnt care about beards. Its a way to get black men out of the military. They are more likely to have medical waivers because of skin issues resulting from close shaves.
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Sariana21 posted...
He doesnt care about beards. Its a way to get black men out of the military. They are more likely to have medical waivers because of skin issues resulting from close shaves.

Hair length too is also designed to target black people in the military
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Ultima_Fury posted...
I was expecting him to raise the draft age and possibly mandatory military service for men.

I was at least expecting an open bar!
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My first thought on the beards thing was targetting people that have them for religious reasons.
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Sandalorn posted...
In case anyone wants to know, there is only one fitness, ready test for the military. The same one that has been used for decades and decades.

Women have always had to meet the exact same standards as men (they don't have a special one just for them) so all of that was just MAGA culture war Bullshit.
Im not sure if that changed after I left the army in 2017. But they did not have to meet the same minimum requirements as men did for their PT test. Nor in regards to other physically straining task such as ruck carrying.

Since it was physically dangerous for them to ruck the minimum amount guys did on average if I recall.

Not that it really mattered since failing them repeatedly and even numerous times by that point werent grounds for discharging troops anymore. If the leadership so choosed.
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Prismsblade posted...
Im not sure if that changed after I left the army in 2017. But they did not have to meet the same minimum requirements as men did for their PT test. Nor in regards to other physically straining task such as ruck carrying.

No it's the same, not sure what that guy is talking about.
Army is still separate.
Navy is still separate.
Marines have two tests. For their PRT they have separate charts for men and women but one grading scheme for planks, and for the CFT it's two separate charts.
And idk about the Air Force, they're just rolling out a new test next year but I'm gonna assume... separate charts.

(Also all the branches have different standards and different tests).
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tripleh213 posted...
How fucked are we?

I would say badly, but it also could be worse. Trump and Hagseth are doing everything possible to alienate the military.
Narutaki was right. This is all Decade's fault.
Takuya_Lee posted...
I would say badly, but it also could be worse. Trump and Hagseth are doing everything possible to alienate the military.
Wouldn't it be so funny if a straight-up military coup is what ends up saving our collective asses from Trump and the Republican Party's open fascism?
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SpawnShadow posted...
Wouldn't it be so funny if a straight-up military coup is what ends up saving our collective asses from Trump and the Republican Party's open fascism?
The not-funny thing about that scenario is that there can be no exit plan. If there's a US military coup, the military would need to rule indefinitely, because turning power back to the civilian government in a country corrupted by Republicans and their propaganda would be really fucking stupid.
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SpawnShadow posted...
Wouldn't it be so funny if a straight-up military coup is what ends up saving our collective asses from Trump and the Republican Party's open fascism?

At this point if they don't pull a coup and restore democracy, the military is complicit, and have abandoned their pledge to defend the constitution.

Calling in a global network of people who daily order secret assassinations to insult them to their face with a stupid TED talk just seems like a bad idea.
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sfcalimari posted...
At this point if they don't pull a coup and restore democracy, the military is complicit, and have abandoned their pledge to defend the constitution.

Calling in a global network of people who daily order secret assassinations to insult them to their face with a stupid TED talk just seems like a bad idea.

the problem is there's no real way for the military who are against the way this admin does things to organize. Their official(and probably personal) communications are all monitored, and all it would take to fuck everything up is one person who gets wind of it and wants to endear themselves to Trump.
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Lincoln had a beard they want to distance America from such figures


AA are more likely to have facial issues with daily shaving...
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sfcalimari posted...
At this point if they don't pull a coup and restore democracy, the military is complicit, and have abandoned their pledge to defend the constitution.

Calling in a global network of people who daily order secret assassinations to insult them to their face with a stupid TED talk just seems like a bad idea.
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