Cut off ALL their funding, not a penny to this bloodthirsty regime.
Cut off ALL their funding, not a penny to this bloodthirsty regime.THIS!!!!!!
punishing civilians for the crimes of a government looks bad and wont work
Not going to happen because Israel is a money laundering operation for defense contractors.
punishing civilians for the crimes of a government looks bad and wont work. and because of how the Israeli government works it wouldn't just be punishment for the jewish population, they'd start carpet bombing 'dangerous elements' around them to build up a buffer zone.Several problems.
plus you'd quickly see several european countries pick up the slack. or hell china or russia.
Several problems.god damn do people here like to jump all over one part of a post and ignore the rest of it huh? i guess you're ok with mass carpet bombings of all the non-jewish civilians within missile firing distance then? maybe a bit of defensive nuking to build a buffer zone? i can only assume that since you seem to ignore my second point, does that make you a genocide supporter?
The most obvious "punishing civilians for the crimes of a government looks bad" huh? You don't say. I'll let you think about the irony of that statement.
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The Israeli government wants to spend their military budget on killing Palestinian civilians rather than protecting Israeli ones.
This was obvious the minute they stopped fully caring about the hostages
Of course we should. But I wish this question was debated and settled 18 months ago, not now.Literally
tc wanted Trump to win. Trump has power. Go ask him, not CE. I'm sure he'll be nice to you.This topic is not about who is in power, it's getting viewpoints on whether cutting off defensive funding to Israel while they are committing a genocide. Obviously it won't happen in Trump's America.
It's kind of incredible at this juncture that people think the Iron Dome being funded would make any difference and Israeli civilians being killed would somehow make the Israeli government less genocidal.People could be assuming that, by cutting funding to the Iron Dome they would need to fund it themselves which would remove funding / supplies from the offensive capabilities they are using to commit a genocide, I don't think any of the people saying we should cut funding are actively wanting Israeli civilians to die.
tc wanted Trump to win. Trump has power. Go ask him, not CE. I'm sure he'll be nice to you.
People could be assuming that, by cutting funding to the Iron Dome they would need to fund it themselves which would remove funding / supplies from the offensive capabilities they are using to commit a genocide, I don't think any of the people saying we should cut funding are actively wanting Israeli civilians to die.This is quite literally a child's view of government and military funding that has no idea how budgets work.
I assume you are against it, can you elaborate on it more if so?
I'm not supporting "defunding the iron dome" and I promise I am not aiming at a "gotcha." But I am curious what your suggestion is to end the Palestinian genocide. (Genuinely interested.)
Embargo and sanctions is what I would do. Didn't consider peacekeeping forces but I see why you considered it a last resort. The Israel government would absolutely call whoever did that to be hostile to them and get really upset over it.
It's a good post and I appreciate you indulging my question <3
If the cost is negligible then wouldn't stopping the funding have no negative impact on Israeli civilians? In which case why shouldn't we stop funding it if our funding is not making a difference?I am curious on a response to this LightSnake. You suggested that pulling funding would result in more Israeli civilian deaths but then said that restocking the dome would be a negligible expense so it doesn't seem like you believe it would hurt Israeli civilians? Trying to get where your thoughts are.
Can they not pay for the dome themselves?No. They have been dependent on our weapons and defense systems for 40+years. Just like the willing Lapdogs we have been to Israel for 40+ years we do everything they say.
I am curious on a response to this LightSnake. You suggested that pulling funding would result in more Israeli civilian deaths but then said that restocking the dome would be a negligible expense so it doesn't seem like you believe it would hurt Israeli civilians? Trying to get where your thoughts are.
Honestly maybe my focus on the Iron Dome specifically is too simple. Would you prefer cutting off all military aid to Israel?
I would prefer an arms embargo, and a blockage of offensive weapons. The Iron Dome is also part of a strategic and has become symbolic of an alliance we've made clear we're not ending anytime soon. Israel could fund it themselves, but there's kind of an optics issue of the US telling them "we do not care about protecting your civilians" that is going to make Israel shift away from the US and to its rivals.Do you believe the optics of supporting an ally committing a genocide outweigh the optics of supporting a genocide?
Cut off ALL their funding, not a penny to this bloodthirsty regime.
A complete cutoff is also going to divest the US of any influence or leverage.
Iron Dome isn't being used to commit the Gazan genocide.
Read the last sentence again. A complete cutoff is also going to divest the US of any influence or leverage. It's something Israeli hardliners have pushed for already.We have two aircraft carriers parked there.
Are we really at the point where you can't even ask questions anymore? Lmao.
We have two aircraft carriers parked there.
The fuck are you talking about no leverage?
the US is not going to threaten Israel militarily, be serious.
Any influence is gained via soft power here.No it isnt. Thats why you included the word soft power.
punishing civilians for the crimes of a government looks bad and wont work.