With everything that's going on, who the fuck cares about this Epstein bullshit?

I mean the people on the file are the people stripping our rights away. Its ammunition to be used against them.

Trump is a convicted rapist and got reelected--you think anything in that file would stop him?

At this juncture, shaming MAGA is the most effective non-violent measure that could be taken.

I think its fair to say that if Trump doesnt want us to talk about something its something we should be talking about.

The only benefit of this is MAGA eating itself but I'm not optimistic enough to think that'll matter much

With everything that's going on, who the fuck cares about this Epstein bullshit?

Id say it would help victims get justice but honestly in this country it probably wont do that

It's like the only thing MAGA legitimately cares about.

Trump is spinning out of control in his attempts to not talk about it, like today he announces he "saved Coca Cola" by adding cane sugar back, which CC has not confirmed is actually happening, he flat-out told his followers that if they still care about the Epstein files to basically go fuck themselves, he does not even pretend to care about them anymore.

And the MAGA base is divided on all levels, from House members to podcasters to regular people on capitulating to whatever Trump wants and wanting the Epstein files released.

Trump is basically telling them it doesn't matter after he spent 8 years making it sound like he'd save all of society once he released these files.

here's the problem: How much credence do we give it? I'm worried this gets to Q-anon levels where it's "yes, there ARE secret pedo cabalss in government and WE will stop them!"

But it's hard because, well...you weaponize this, what happen when you're in power and have nothing to show for it and th mob comes back on you?

Trump has bounced around to so many different defenses, one of which included it was "fake information" created by Obamas, Hillary, and Biden, personally, then he followed that up like a day later with "if there's any credible information then it will be released by Bondi" (IE nothing involving Trump), to calling it a hoax similar to russia, russia, russia, steel dossier, laptop, etc.

There are those in the base who stopped the criticism after Trump/WH contacted them and told them to stop, however there's others who keep going. Yes, the prevailing mentality among that group still wanting it does so because they expect all Democrats to have ever existed, Bill Gates, and Tom Hanks to be indicted by it, however even Mike Flynn today was saying it's a non-partisan issue regardless if Democrats or Republicans are implicated, which is like the one decent thing he's said in about a decade.

Trump, his WH and his DOJ are running a very poorly organied coverup of literal child rape, we know the tapes Bondi mentioned have been deduced as doctored and I guess right-wingers still have some semblance of morals left when it comes to child rape, just not preventing their deaths from guns, feeding them, helping them have medicine, keeping them out of poverty, however literal child rape is a step too far.

Problem is, the real reason Trump isn't releasing them after making such a big deal about it is likely due to big monied oligarchs people have never heard of yet who are controllers of society and our political system. Trump would likely overcome being outed by it, there's many who people have never heard of that are likely controlling the secrecy on the issue.

What happens when Democrats are in office and don't ave anything to release after we stoke this fire?

But that's the thing...it doesn't really exist like people think it does. There's no big numbered list of pedophiles in government and entertainment. The DOJ has interviewed dozens of Epstein's victims. All of the information is related to litigation, flight records, finances, etc. None of that will tell us who's guilty.

There's no secret pedophile cabal here. There's no secret, big money oligarchs you've never heard of engaging in secret rituals. It was one sick billionaire and some of his friends. Trump has walked into a trap of his own making and he's flailing hard.

What happens when Democrats are in office and don't ave anything to release after we stoke this fire? this is what I'm worried about...Q-anon's whole thing which we all laughed about just a few years ago was "The elites are pedophiles abusing kids in pizza parlors without basements." Right now, people have let Epstein take on a mythology when his victims are alive and vocal.

You can read a lot in the FBI file. It's right here: https://vault.fbi.gov/jeffrey-epstein

There was like 1000 victims and currently the Trump admin wants to believe that literally only Epstein and Maxwell were raping them. Epstein was a school teacher who became a billionaire from very wealthy people giving him money as he became a pimp for them.

When you say "his friends", most people are going to have a number of like 5-8. Yes, the wealthy elite typically do have expanded social networks primarily for networking, however without any specific number on "friends" I have trouble believing it was just him and his inner group, although there's nothing saying the nameless oligarchs who funded his career change who don't want it leaked out didn't become his "friends".

Brain Karem, long-time White House correspondent, filed a FOIA with others in the past and he said that yes it is literally binders of thousands of pages, there's like 10k (I believe) hours of footage from the FBI monitoring him. The thing about flight logs and the surveillance footage, however, is that Epstein was smart in that he didn't ONLY hang out with other pedophiles, so the tricky part would be figuring out who was and wasn't actually a part of the trafficking.

I'm not worried about what MAGA thinks of Democrats. I'm worried about if the base decides this is a thing and swing voters buy it too.

We're mainstreaming Q-anon and that worries me

I understand the logic, but we don't have to give any credence to the conspiracy theories... We just need to keep asking them "what's going on with Trump and those Epstein files? Why isn't he releasing them for you? What are you going to do if he doesn't release them for you?"

It's about getting Trumpers to turn on Trump. Not about getting liberals and leftists to "believe" in the Epstein files.

I'm not worried about what MAGA thinks of Democrats. I'm worried about if the base decides this is a thing and swing voters buy it too.

We're mainstreaming Q-anon and that worries me

See, I don't think that's a bad idea but I don't think it's what they're doing. It really feels like grabbing a tiger by the tail when Dems are "there's files and they won't release them" which is what AOC and Ossof (among others) have said

I'd prefer we're just calling them on crazy bullshit and mocking Trump for lying to his followers, but it really feels like we're trending to have "I will releaase the Epstein files" as a big issue in the 2028 primary. I dunno, maybe this is cope for me.

Maybe I need to believe Q-anoners who have supported Trump to date are hard Republicans partisans because the alternative is that they're swing voters whose key issue is exposing the pedophile cabal with excellent document retention.

I don't disagree, but there's a lot of "release the files" as opposed to what you said.

Remaining silent would be a bad idea, I agree

The fact is that Trumps own administration claimed the files not only exist, but were on Bondis desk.

Telling them to release the thing they explicitly claimed they have is just calling their bluff

Trump is a convicted rapist and got reelected--you think anything in that file would stop him?

The fact is that Trumps own administration claimed the files not only exist, but were on Bondis desk.

Telling them to release the thing they explicitly claimed they have is just calling their bluff

Trump is a convicted rapist and got reelected--you think anything in that file would stop him?

Trump is a convicted rapist and got reelected--you think anything in that file would stop him?