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Sayoria posted...
Also fucking annoyed. I wanted to get my passport renewed but can't for another 2-3 years. I guess I'll 100% have to be outside of the country and renew it through another country at the embassy or something. I dunno how this passport shit is going to affect me if it is real. All my IDs say female. But I am sure social security keeping this shit on record is where they plan to do all their dirty work.

The worst part about renewing my passport last time was having to state at Trump's fucking face on the portrait on the wall of the embassy. But thankfully I won't ever need to renew my passport again because I will no longer be a US citizen.
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Donald Trump and everyone who supports him and his MAGA bigotry can kiss my A.

Tomorrow I am going to completely ignore him and his loser cult followers, and then the very next day I am going to go back to using every legal means possible to defend civil rights in my little corner of the world.

The coming years are going to be hard, but I have been a civil rights lawyer for 20 years. I am not stopping my very small part of the work because Americans are too dumb to know a con man when they see one.
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Euripides posted...
I would take comfort on this being challenged in court, but, you know...
It takes time for things to get to the SCOTUS. Gum up the legal works.
Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts.
legendary_zell posted...
CE, you're doing that hostile hivemind thing you frequently do in political discussions right now. What that poster is saying is closer to what most people in America, including Democrats, including liberals, including leftists think, than what you're saying.

You've gotta grapple with that rather than just being immediately hostile and writing off anyone who doesn't think within the specific bounds popular on this board. It's not even left or right, CE does this across the spectrum. You've gotta realize that you think in a very particular way that is not shared by the vast majority of people. Sometimes, you're wrong, sometimes you're right.
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I have no doubt most of America is transphobic, but I don't think this topic is about plans for the Democrat's future election strategy, is it? I assumed it was a place for people who do care about trans people to be disappointed in this shit.
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
It takes time for things to get to the SCOTUS. Gum up the legal works.

Yea it could take years for a case to work it's way through, but given that part of this is blatantly unconstitutional a lower court should rule against it and issue an emergency injunction against it while it goes through the courts. As awful as the illegitimate court is I admit I'd be shocked if they decided to overrule it given how just blatantly it would violate the first amendment.

That having been said I think it'll only apply to the last part. As an example I don't think the courts would rule against the part that would come across as instructions for federal prisons...
The key to understanding how conservatives see the first amendment is understanding they want freedom from consequences for their speech, by government or private entities. But they also want consequences for their enemies, including government ones such as fines and imprisonment (ask how they feel about flag burning or participating in a protest they don't like). So basically they don't actually want freedom of speech as outlined in the constitution.

They don't want freedom, they want freedom to mean unlimited white privilege they want there" freedom" to be for a white rich man to have no consequences if they harm anyone other then a white man richer then them...that's what its always been at the end, for White men to make it clear they will always be better then everyone.
ssjevot posted...
The worst part about renewing my passport last time was having to state at Trump's fucking face on the portrait on the wall of the embassy. But thankfully I won't ever need to renew my passport again because I will no longer be a US citizen.

I really, really envy you. Fuck, I want out. Times like this, I wish I didn't have such a good connection with my family. Still awaiting to hear that order that takes the steps to making me a 'pedophile' or something under this dictatorship. I told my family I will leave if I need to. I fucking don't want to though. It's been killing me mentally. I just wish I was there and just done with it.
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Glob posted...
Where are you planning to go?

I can either go to Ireland or Japan. Work allows me either since I have a department at both. Time-wise, Japan is best for my schedule and I already met my Japanese colleagues. Ease, Ireland is best but it would be a terrible shift.
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Sayoria posted...
I can either go to Ireland or Japan. Work allows me either since I have a department at both. Time-wise, Japan is best for my schedule and I already met my Japanese colleagues. Ease, Ireland is best but it would be a terrible shift.

There are worse places to live than Japan.
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i hate that my kid will have to grow up in a world where bigotry and hate speech is openly encouraged
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Glob posted...
There are worse places to live than Japan.

I loved Japan when I was there. I'd live there in a heartbeat. I just..... am way closer to my family to the point it kills me to leave them. I have the funds. I have the job. I have many means. I just want to hold out hope for as long as I can before I take the jump.
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Sayoria posted...
I loved Japan when I was there. I'd live there in a heartbeat. I just..... am way closer to my family to the point it kills me to leave them. I have the funds. I have the job. I have many means. I just want to hold out hope for as long as I can before I take the jump.

Best of luck to you. I hope you dont wait longer than you should.
Sayoria posted...
I loved Japan when I was there. I'd live there in a heartbeat. I just..... am way closer to my family to the point it kills me to leave them. I have the funds. I have the job. I have many means. I just want to hold out hope for as long as I can before I take the jump.
Hopefully, you're able to cope with the stringent work culture in Japan.
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Hopefully, you're able to cope with the stringent work culture in Japan.

Might not be to much worst then what's America's work culture is becoming at this rate.
Humble_Novice posted...
Hopefully, you're able to cope with the stringent work culture in Japan.

I'd be fine. Hell, I am the hardest working person in my department. It's a WfH job too. There's little honestly for me to worry about job-wise.

Glob posted...
Best of luck to you. I hope you dont wait longer than you should.

I know. I'm still terrified. I don't know what to do. I need to reach out to the consulate general and just figure out what to start with and what I need to assure is done that takes the longest. At the least, the job and the passport stuff is out of the way. I can speak very basic conversational Japanese too thankfully. I just need to figure out what papers need to be done, find a place and find out what else is essential because I know saying this is just undercoating it. I know there's a lot to literally moving out of the country. Gah.
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Sayoria posted...
I'd be fine. Hell, I am the hardest working person in my department. It's a WfH job too. There's little honestly for me to worry about job-wise.

I know. I'm still terrified. I don't know what to do. I need to reach out to the consulate general and just figure out what to start with and what I need to assure is done that takes the longest. At the least, the job and the passport stuff is out of the way. I can speak very basic conversational Japanese too thankfully. I just need to figure out what papers need to be done, find a place and find out what else is essential because I know saying this is just undercoating it. I know there's a lot to literally moving out of the country. Gah.

I found the process of moving to another country wasnt actually particularly complicated, in fairness. If you have a job offer then that should deal with most of the faff for you.
Humble_Novice posted...
Hopefully, you're able to cope with the stringent work culture in Japan.

It's an internet meme. Japanese workers work less hours a year than OECD average and a lot less than Americans. America also has a higher suicide rate. I have probably posted this exact message in this board 50 times but the meme won't die because no one cares about facts when repeating the same stereotypes forever is good enough. I worked way more in America than I do in Japan. My wife worked way more in China than she does in Japan. If you are working an unusually large amount of time in Japan, you are working for a shit company and since there's a massive job shortage you should consider switching careers. It certainly isn't perfect here, but it's a hell of a lot better than the US.
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So, is there a source confirming this? Because it's not popped up on any of my normal news haunts.
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darkknight109 posted...
So, is there a source confirming this? Because it's not popped up on any of my normal news haunts.

I Google'd it and this was the first result:
https://www.thefp.com/p/trumps-day-one-executive-order-male-female-gender-ideology-pronouns

OP seems to be copied from that. Not sure how reliable of a source that is.
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Waste of ink. It's petty.

The part about prison though makes sense. That has been getting abused in CA. Dude gets arrested, claims he identifies as a woman, goes to woman facility and commences getting female inmates pregnant.
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Glob posted...
I found the process of moving to another country wasnt actually particularly complicated, in fairness. If you have a job offer then that should deal with most of the faff for you.

I hope so. If that's the case, that makes me happy.
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bnui_ransder posted...
You have all the freedom in America... to be what they want you to be

And what they want you to be first and foremost is corporate chattel to be used and abused until you cant work no more and then its to the poorhouse you go.
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SMT_Masochist posted...
The part about prison though makes sense. That has been getting abused in CA. Dude gets arrested, claims he identifies as a woman, goes to woman facility and commences getting female inmates pregnant.
A) I very much doubt there's an epidemic of cismen doing that.
B) The government doesn't care about prison rape.
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Sayoria posted...
I hope so. If that's the case, that makes me happy.

Obviously it depends to some extent on your employer and the place you move to, but I literally just had to go to an office my employer sent to me to once a year. Theyd send somebody with me to translate and do all the busy work. All I had to do was have my photo taken and sign a couple of forms.

I dont even need to do that now that Im married.

But they arranged a place for me to live when I arrived, booked all my flights got all my visas and residency stuff sorted, arranged to have my stuff shipped over, etc. Aside from a long flight, it was pretty painless.
SMT_Masochist posted...
Waste of ink. It's petty.

The part about prison though makes sense. That has been getting abused in CA. Dude gets arrested, claims he identifies as a woman, goes to woman facility and commences getting female inmates pregnant.

Can you provide any sources of that being abused enough to be a problem?
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SMT_Masochist posted...
Waste of ink. It's petty.

The part about prison though makes sense. That has been getting abused in CA. Dude gets arrested, claims he identifies as a woman, goes to woman facility and commences getting female inmates pregnant.

Gonna need a source, a reputable one.
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Glob posted...
Obviously it depends to some extent on your employer and the place you move to, but I literally just had to go to an office my employer sent to me to once a year. Theyd send somebody with me to translate and do all the busy work. All I had to do was have my photo taken and sign a couple of forms.

I dont even need to do that now that Im married.

But they arranged a place for me to live when I arrived, booked all my flights got all my visas and residency stuff sorted, arranged to have my stuff shipped over, etc. Aside from a long flight, it was pretty painless.

If I did move to Japan, as long as I have some connection that gets me to Shinjuku, I'd be perfectly fine. And with Japan's metro system, that's easy. Since I started at my job, I been to my office once in like, 5 years. Not even exaggerating. I went to the office just to get my computer fixed.

Ultimately, I don't see much of anything really changing if I were to move. I don't deal with office audits either. It's wild to say it but as long as I got myself settled somewhere, I'd be almost invisible to offices. It's really, really nice. I still do online google meets and such as that, but IRL presence is almost no longer needed with us, so long as work is done.
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Sayoria posted...
If I did move to Japan, as long as I have some connection that gets me to Shinjuku, I'd be perfectly fine. And with Japan's metro system, that's easy. Since I started at my job, I been to my office once in like, 5 years. Not even exaggerating. I went to the office just to get my computer fixed.

Ultimately, I don't see much of anything really changing if I were to move. I don't deal with office audits either. It's wild to say it but as long as I got myself settled somewhere, I'd be almost invisible to offices. It's really, really nice. I still do online google meets and such as that, but IRL presence is almost no longer needed with us, so long as work is done.
On the plus side, being in Japan means being close to a lot of delicious food establishments. If there's one thing Japan does right, it's food quality.
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Unknown5uspect posted...
https://www.thefp.com/p/trumps-day-one-executive-order-male-female-gender-ideology-pronouns
Damn. Really hoped the lack of a source meant this was fake. Turns out TC was just lazy.
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Humble_Novice posted...
On the plus side, being in Japan means being close to a lot of delicious food establishments. If there's one thing Japan does right, it's food quality.

The quality of everything Japan does is high. Even their beverage containers are clearly better. They actually care about their image.
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Sayoria posted...
If I did move to Japan, as long as I have some connection that gets me to Shinjuku, I'd be perfectly fine. And with Japan's metro system, that's easy. Since I started at my job, I been to my office once in like, 5 years. Not even exaggerating. I went to the office just to get my computer fixed.

Ultimately, I don't see much of anything really changing if I were to move. I don't deal with office audits either. It's wild to say it but as long as I got myself settled somewhere, I'd be almost invisible to offices. It's really, really nice. I still do online google meets and such as that, but IRL presence is almost no longer needed with us, so long as work is done.

I love Shinjuku.

Youre absolutely right that their transport system is great.

It sounds like its a very feasible thing for you to do, which Im guessing makes you more fortunate than some of the others who are looking to leave the States.
Enclave posted...
Dude gets arrested, claims he identifies as a woman, goes to woman facility and commences getting female inmates pregnant.

do people think that this is something easy to set up? that you're not going to be psyched evaluated and that they're just going to take the prisoner's word completely?

do you also think that the rest of the prisoners are not gonna target them or something? that they're just going to take over the entire prison?
Glob posted...
I love Shinjuku.

Youre absolutely right that their transport system is great.

It sounds like its a very feasible thing for you to do, which Im guessing makes you more fortunate than some of the others who are looking to leave the States.

Yeah. Again, it's just my familial connections. My youngest brother and I are like friends. My mother is even more like a friend than a parent. We have some interesting bonds here. I just know leaving, time will elapse between the day I step out of the house and the next time I see my parents in the flesh. I dunno. It's painful. It's not like you are just moving down the street or could see them every other day for dinner or something.

*sigh*...... It's such a bad struggle mentally. I really wish reality was different.
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Sayoria posted...
Yeah. Again, it's just my familial connections. My youngest brother and I are like friends. My mother is even more like a friend than a parent. We have some interesting bonds here. I just know leaving, time will elapse between the day I step out of the house and the next time I see my parents in the flesh. I dunno. It's painful. It's not like you are just moving down the street or could see them every other day for dinner or something.

*sigh*...... It's such a bad struggle mentally. I really wish reality was different.

Ive found that moving to the other side of the planet did diminish or outright destroy some of my relationships, but many have endured and almost feel stronger now as a result. Plus, moving to a new place makes making lots of new ones.
HighSeraph posted...
What does sex or biology have to do with the first amendment?

Pretty sure they mean people have freedom of speech to not use peoples pronouns.

Which was never under threat to begin with. Americans have always had the first amendment right to be assholes.

The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense.
Glob posted...
I love Shinjuku.

Youre absolutely right that their transport system is great.

It sounds like its a very feasible thing for you to do, which Im guessing makes you more fortunate than some of the others who are looking to leave the States.

I live in the absolute middle of nowhere (less than 10,000 people) and it has better public transit and I get less slurs (which is to say it has never happened in 8 years here in Japan) yelled at me than Seattle, which is allegedly a super progressive place. We have LGBT events at my city's library. Imagine that happening in a small town in the US. Someone would probably try to shut it down for grooming children or some nonsense.
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Glob posted...
Ive found that moving to the other side of the planet did diminish or outright destroy some of my relationships, but many have endured and almost feel stronger now as a result. Plus, moving to a new place makes making lots of new ones.

Yeah. But the guilt of just not being there for my folks. Like, my father's a young 60 and already has dementia signs. It's like, 'if I leave, would I never see him alive again?' .... like, things like that haunt me. But I've talked to them that if a direct threat heads my way, I literally have no choice but to leave. But I think about it a lot. As an LGBT person, I am aware that even Japan has places for us. Might not be an accepting society nationally but like I tell my family, it's not gun-ridden and people there are passive. The risk there is far, far less than the risk here.

ssjevot posted...
I live in the absolute middle of nowhere (less than 10,000 people) and it has better public transit and I get less slurs (which is to say it has never happened in 8 years here in Japan) yelled at me than Seattle, which is allegedly a super progressive place. We have LGBT events at my city's library. Imagine that happening in a small town in the US. Someone would probably try to shut it down for grooming children or some nonsense.

I love hearing this. Like, I am not a loud trans person. I usually keep to myself and if you saw me in public, you'd just see me blending in with others. I'd get by on the daily easily for that reason despite being who I am and the fact I wear a mask all the time anyways. But seeing that your small city library there even has LGBT events..... it's nice to hear honestly. I mean Hell, when I was in Japan, I remember seeing a news story about a trans boy on the TV and given what I could even make out, it sounded like the story was pushing sympathy in a good way, interviewing him and more. It really made me feel like being there would be okay after all.
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Sayoria posted...
I love hearing this. Like, I am not a loud trans person. I usually keep to myself and if you saw me in public, you'd just see me blending in with others. I'd get by on the daily easily for that reason despite being who I am and the fact I wear a mask all the time anyways. But seeing that your small city library there even has LGBT events..... it's nice to hear honestly. I mean Hell, when I was in Japan, I remember seeing a news story about a trans boy on the TV and given what I could even make out, it sounded like the story was pushing sympathy in a good way, interviewing him and more. It really made me feel like being there would be okay after all.

You will see a lot of trans people on TV here. Quite a few celebrities (you probably know Utada Hikaru) and some talent (basically people that just appear on random programs). I only know one trans person in our city (very small), but I didn't talk to them much about how it was living here because it's kind of rude to get personal unless you know someone well here, so I can't give you any firsthand information. My town has a lot of pro-LGBT posters due to how big of a presence the Japanese Communist Party has here so it feels nice seeing that stuff at the train station. That said I know some of the larger cities have far right groups that have views similar to Trumpers in the US, they aren't a major force in politics currently, but they exist (Sanseito and Hoshuto for example). The lack of a religious basis for hating LGBT people and the rich history of LGBT here makes it feel somewhat safe.
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this is so stupid even if you ignore the transphobia

if an ID has to reflect the biological "truth", but it also can only say male or female, then what about intersex people for example

do transphobes hate those too
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ssjevot posted...
You will see a lot of trans people on TV here. Quite a few celebrities (you probably know Utada Hikaru) and some talent (basically people that just appear on random programs). I only know one trans person in our city (very small), but I didn't talk to them much about how it was living here because it's kind of rude to get personal unless you know someone well here, so I can't give you any firsthand information. My town has a lot of pro-LGBT posters due to how big of a presence the Japanese Communist Party has here so it feels nice seeing that stuff at the train station. That said I know some of the larger cities have far right groups that have views similar to Trumpers in the US, they aren't a major force in politics currently, but they exist (Sanseito and Hoshuto for example). The lack of a religious basis for hating LGBT people and the rich history of LGBT here makes it feel somewhat safe.

Very noted on those political elements.

As for celebs, yeah, Utada was non-binary, right? .... I also get lots of strong ally vibes from Ayumi Hamasaki based on her videos and lyrics.

No matter how you slice it, America is full of guns and a highly-growing disdain for us. It's to the point I really don't see how Japan would be a worse place for me right now. I know it has its downsides, but are those downsides really worse than absolute lunatics with unregulated arsenals in their homes and constant misinformation being spread about us? I don't think so.

Should I take the jump, I'd still probably want to be closer to the city either way. I doubt I'd ever go to the office but would be recommended to stay close. On top of that, I don't drive for cognitive reasoning (partially narcolepsy behind the wheel) so being near the city would be just.... best all around. I am also typically social so it would be good to have outlets, whether in nichome or some not lgbt place.

But yeah, if a small town can show solidarity, I have less and less to be concerned with than I thought.
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Choco posted...
this is so stupid even if you ignore the transphobia

if an ID has to reflect the biological "truth", but it also can only say male or female, then what about intersex people for example

do transphobes hate those too

It's terrifying too, because any trans person who wants to travel and 'blend in' at a hostile country for whatever reason they may 'need' to, this shit outright 'outs' us.
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Choco posted...
this is so stupid even if you ignore the transphobia

if an ID has to reflect the biological "truth", but it also can only say male or female, then what about intersex people for example

do transphobes hate those too

Transphobes don't think intersex people exist. I have never succeeded in getting through to them by talking about stuff like XY individuals with androgen insensitivity.
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Sayoria posted...
It's terrifying too, because any trans person who wants to travel and 'blend in' at a hostile country for whatever reason they may 'need' to, this shit outright 'outs' us.
man i didn't even think of implications like this
that's fucked up
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The prison thing is written with explicit intent of getting trans women raped and killed in prison
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anttttt posted...
do people think that this is something easy to set up? that you're not going to be psyched evaluated and that they're just going to take the prisoner's word completely?

do you also think that the rest of the prisoners are not gonna target them or something? that they're just going to take over the entire prison?

Why did you quote it as if I said that nonsense instead of who actually said it?
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Choco posted...
this is so stupid even if you ignore the transphobia

if an ID has to reflect the biological "truth", but it also can only say male or female, then what about intersex people for example

do transphobes hate those too

As we saw with the discourse about that possibly maybe even being remotely the case with that boxer... they default to them being Macho Man Randy Savage beating up 7 year old girls.
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Does this force trans people to use their birth sex on ID? Regardless of transition status?
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