I just hope we develop some sense of shame in the future from this.Wishful thinking, bud. Wishful thinking...
I don't think any of you guys truly appreciate how today was essential for Trump to officially become a felon. New York requires this.Who are you referring to on this board?
Did you want him to not be a felon?
Sorry real talk.
I have a cousin, (black like me), I'm not making excuses for him he's been a screw up his whole life, fell in with a bad group as a kid, started selling drugs, got arrested a few times, and spent most of his teens, 20's, and 30's in jail, for selling drugs.
I have never felt sorry for him, never apologized for him, never blamed anyone (but him) for his fucked up life.
He is now in his 40s and just NOW starting to live a good life. Has a wife, kid on the way, okay job... I'm proud of him, but I know it's hard for him because he spent decades of his life behind bars, for relatively small drug violations. He's starting his life at 40 because of the crimes he committed.
It sucks but every time he committed a crime he paid the price (in full),
Sad story his mother died a week before he got out of jail, she never lived to see him turn his life around.
MEANWHILE RICH WHITE ASSHOLE attacks the court, attacks the judge, makes a mockery of our criminal justice system, is convicted of 34 felons and doesn't have to do a day in jail, an hour of community service or a dollar in fines.
Fucking criminal justice system is a joke.
I get why religion has always been attractive to the common people. When stuff like this happened all through history, people wanted to believe that people like Trump eventually face justice to someone, even if its not on earth. That is probably a major part of what kept religion going
I don't think any of you guys truly appreciate how today was essential for Trump to officially become a felon. New York requires this.
Did you want him to not be a felon?
How long until Trump looks for immortality so he can be invincible legally, politically and humanly?You say looks for like he isnt going to find it.
It was politics that got him convicted, not a great case.Or he broke the law, again, and got away with it, again.
It was politics that got him convicted, not a great case.LMFAO. He's a criminal. Guessing you're a Trumper in denial?
LMFAO. He's a criminal. Guessing you're a Trumper in denial?Not even in denial, I'd guess
It was politics that got him convicted, not a great case.
LMFAO. He's a criminal. Guessing you're a Trumper in denial?I have Zukes tagged as a Trumper. They're someone who's going to defend Trump no matter what crimes he commits. It's like what Trump himself said, that he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and not lose any supporters.
It was politics that got him convicted, not a great case.
2.This is on the voters, not the court system.It is not the voters' job to assign guilt or hand out sentences. There are a lot of factors people base their votes on; even a popular criminal is still a criminal. The justice system cannot pass that responsibility off to them and wipe its hands clean
It is not the voters' job to assign guilt or hand out sentences. There are a lot of factors people base their votes on; even a popular criminal is still a criminal. The justice system cannot pass that responsibility off to them and wipe its hands cleanVoters still hold some blame here.
Two tiered system of justice ftw.
Voters still hold some blame here.If they hadn't dragged their feet he could have been sentenced well before election day.
We can say the criminal justice system needs to do its job, and I agree it does. But despite that, lets be honest where much of Trumps fate was contingent on how the 2024 election went. Trump won, and much of the cases against him switch gears.
It is not the voters' job to assign guilt or hand out sentences. There are a lot of factors people base their votes on; even a popular criminal is still a criminal. The justice system cannot pass that responsibility off to them and wipe its hands clean
If they hadn't dragged their feet he could have been sentenced well before election day.We agree.
but courts are traditionally not allowed to punish the occupant of the Oval OfficeHe was not the occupant of the Oval Office when his sentencing was delayed in the middle of last year.
We agree.
That doesn't really change the 2024 election was contingent on a lot of the charges against Trump.
New York, Florida, DC, Georgia.... I'm sure I'm missing some. The point is, many of these cases and how the charges will end up were contingent on the winner of the 2024 election.
It's also not true that all of those charges was Garland "dragging his feet." As not all of those charges was Bidens DOJ like Republicans would love you to believe.
It was politics that got him convicted, not a great case.
He was not the occupant of the Oval Office when his sentencing was delayed in the middle of last year.
It is not the voters' job to assign guilt or hand out sentences. There are a lot of factors people base their votes on; even a popular criminal is still a criminal. The justice system cannot pass that responsibility off to them and wipe its hands clean
then we would have had a constitutional crisis as every Republican went on and on about the weaponization of the system to a degree that makes what is going on now look quaint.We already have a constitutional crisis if the judicial branch can be cowed into compliance with the whims of someone who might, in the future, hold the executive.
This seriously. The voters certainly have their fair share of the blame, but I'm tired of people acting like they're the biggest ones to blame. Our government and institutions failed us multiple times. The Biden administration sat there and did nothing to stop Trump. Same for all the various states.
I am truly not trying to be oppositional, especially because I share your frustrations (and Antifars too). But I am sick of people blaming everyone BUT the voters. They are the ones empowering this guy. What are our institutions supposed to do when the people keep making it clear they want more of Trump destroying the country?
Here is the simple fact: If Harris was President Elect, Trump would have gotten a penalty today. We could have made that happen, and didnt. The rest of this is just chin music.