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I cannot wrap my head around this even now. A HUGE portion of the conservative voter base still fully believes that Evil Biden cheated and stole the election. Peddling disproven conspiracy theories is accepted within the political landscape. If you go to any conservative space on the internet, its everywhere. Hell even actual officials do not accept the election.

I seriously dont know how a divide within this country like this can be fixed. Half the country blatantly refuses to acknowledge reality and i dont think itll ever get better from here
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People discovered that they could stop believing in all those inconvenient facts and pieces of evidence that made their worldview look like shit.

And instead, curl up in a comfortable featherbed of whatever stops making them feel bad.

The electorate rejects your mean-minded authoritarian sociopath? That doesn't feel so good, does it? But what if they didn't . . .
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I mean, there was obviously election fraud in 2020, ****SPOILERS**** but it was actually committed by the people screaming their heads off about our election integrity.
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I like that "sleepy Joe" needs a teleprompter, shakes hands with invisible people, stumbles with his words AND still orchestrates massive electoral fraud that has never been proven beyond "irregularities."

That is one confusing individual... can't even decide if he's dementia-ridden, or mega-conniving on any given day.
It's not. This is the equivalent to saying that flat earth is a mainstream argument. It's not. People just keep inviting peddlers of it to make it seem like it is.

Like Nazism being simply "a difference if opinion" or "anti isms" in general.
joaquintall posted...
I like that "sleepy Joe" needs a teleprompter, shakes hands with invisible people, stumbles with his words AND still orchestrates massive electoral fraud that has never been proven beyond "irregularities."

That is one confusing individual... can't even decide if he's dementia-ridden, or mega-conniving on any given day.

Point 8 of Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism points this out.

Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as " at the same time too strong and too weak ". On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.

Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed
There are so many ways Republicans are working to sow enough discourse and doubt in the election results so they can challenge it to the supreme court that they control so they can give the win to Donald Trump and it's extremely worrying major news outlets aren't saying shit about it.

One of Biden's biggest misses was not getting rid of Dejoy whose actively making the post service shit to help corporations and to help Republicans cheat in Elections
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joaquintall posted...
I like that "sleepy Joe" needs a teleprompter, shakes hands with invisible people, stumbles with his words AND still orchestrates massive electoral fraud that has never been proven beyond "irregularities."

That is one confusing individual... can't even decide if he's dementia-ridden, or mega-conniving on any given day.
Actually his handlers are doing all the evil shit and when I blame Biden, I mean all the people that collectively operate behind Biden

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pazzy posted...
It's not. This is the equivalent to saying that flat earth is a mainstream argument

You're dead wrong my friend.
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Wait, Im confused. I thought we couldnt discuss politics here anymore. Or is the *only* place we can discuss politics?
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pazzy posted...
It's not. This is the equivalent to saying that flat earth is a mainstream argument. It's not. People just keep inviting peddlers of it to make it seem like it is.

Like Nazism being simply "a difference if opinion" or "anti isms" in general.
dawg there are public officials who dont accept the results of the 2020 election.

The fucking texas republican party as a whole does not recognize the 2020 election as legitimate.

This is quite obviously way bigger and important than flat earth believers
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LonelyStoner posted...
Or is the *only* place we can discuss politics?

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LonelyStoner posted...
Wait, Im confused. I thought we couldnt discuss politics here anymore. Or is the *only* place we can discuss politics?
This is the only place politics are allowed
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
dawg there are public officials who dont accept the results of the 2020 election.

The fucking texas republican party as a whole does not recognize the 2020 election as legitimate.

This is quite obviously way bigger and important than flat earth believers
And if you ask any Republican on camera if they accept election results, they give non-committal non-answers.
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What's even dumber is the cranks will say there's super duper very obvious voter fraud and it's so easy for Democrats to constantly steal elections... Yet they continue participating in the system and voting.
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic.
And we know for a fact that 2 sc justice are deniers and thats not even including the 3 bozos trump appointed.
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hockeybabe89 posted...
And if you ask any Republican on camera if they accept election results, they give non-committal non-answers.
Even if they do accept the result privately, they dare not say so in public, as the rabid extremists will turn on them.
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Heineken14 posted...
What's even dumber is the cranks will say there's super duper very obvious voter fraud and it's so easy for Democrats to constantly steal elections... Yet they continue participating in the system and voting.
This always confuses me

The belief seems to be that they can override the dems cheating if they just vote more. Because the dems can cheat butnot enough to make it an overwhelming win apparently?
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When I was young, it was hard for me to wrap my mind around cognitive dissonance. Now its on full display on a mass scale.
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ai123 posted...
Even if they do accept the result privately, they dare not say so in public, as the rabid extremists will turn on them.
Which means that everyone knows it's a bullshit statement.

If the election results don't work, then why should anyone accept any election results? If they don't work when Democrats win, then it only stands to reason that it doesn't work when Republicans win. This is not something that either party would ever want.
Heineken14 posted...
What's even dumber is the cranks will say there's super duper very obvious voter fraud and it's so easy for Democrats to constantly steal elections... Yet they continue participating in the system and voting.
Just point out how Bush's second term is the only time in the 21st century they won popular vote and the election. Watch them think about it
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
dawg there are public officials who dont accept the results of the 2020 election.

The fucking texas republican party as a whole does not recognize the 2020 election as legitimate.

This is quite obviously way bigger and important than flat earth believers
No. They perform for their voters. There's a big difference. They don't because their voters want them to overturn the election through any means necessary.

The only reason it's bigger than flat earthers is because of consequences. Not because of how big it is.
pazzy posted...
Which means that everyone knows it's a bullshit statement.

If the election results don't work, then why should anyone accept any election results? If they don't work when Democrats win, then it only stands to reason that it doesn't work when Republicans win. This is not something that either party would ever want.
A huge amount of Republican voters and some officials dont think its a bullshit statement. Thats the problem.
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pazzy posted...
If the election results don't work, then why should anyone accept any election results? If they don't work when Democrats win, then it only stands to reason that it doesn't work when Republicans win. This is not something that either party would ever want.

You're operating on the assumption that Republicans and Trump are rational actors.

They arent. Everything about their ideology and politics is an incoherent disaster. There is a reason why qanon exists in the republican party and there is no equivalent in the dem party.
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pazzy posted...
No. They perform for their voters. There's a big difference.
If the end result is identical it really doesn't matter.
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pazzy posted...
No. They perform for their voters. There's a big difference. They don't because their voters want them to overturn the election through any means necessary.

The only reason it's bigger than flat earthers is because of consequences. Not because of how big it is.
Dawg what is the difference at that point? Youre still wrong though. Some of these officials do genuinely believe, and the voters do too.

Why did a supreme court justice who doesnt need to perform have an upside down flag after jan 6th? Dont downplay this like its not a massive problem
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DrizztLink posted...
If the end result is identical it really doesn't matter.
Yeah this. What someone truly believes does not matter if they only say the opposite in public. Its functionally exactly the same as if they genuinely believed.
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Dawg what is the difference at that point? Youre still wrong though. Some of these officials do genuinely believe, and the voters do too.

Why did a supreme court justice who doesnt need to perform have an upside down flag after jan 6th? Dont downplay this like its not a massive problem
A lot. There is a difference between lying through your teeth and actually having a real ass opinion that you believe.

You're conflating entirely different things and trying to say I'm not saying it's a problem. It is. It's not a mainstream opinion. It's a lie. An opinion requires a person to actually believe that. They don't. They say it because saying "I'm going to take over" is far more alarming and allows idiots to be "centralist" about it.
Shadow_Don posted...
You're operating on the assumption that Republicans and Trump are rational actors.

They arent. Everything about their ideology and politics is an incoherent disaster. There is a reason why qanon exists in the republican party and there is no equivalent in the dem party.
No I'm not.

Which has nothing to do with saying that it's a mainstream opinion. It's not.
DrizztLink posted...
If the end result is identical it really doesn't matter.
It does. Because Republicans aren't even the majority voter. And in many cases a lot of Republican voters don't even care about what their party says so long as it's against Democrats. That's why it matters.
why did Alito, a supreme court justice who has NO NEED to perform a belief, have an upside down Stop the Steal flag after jan 6th?

Can you explain this @pazzy

edit, wrong name
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
why did Alito, a supreme court justice who has NO NEED to perform a belief, have an upside down Stop the Steal flag after jan 6th?

Can you explain this @pazzy

edit, wrong name
Grift. That is a reason.
pazzy posted...
Grift. That is a reason.
????

You refuse to believe any of these officials actually believe this. Stop putting your head in the sand and look at what is actually happening.
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pazzy posted...
Grift. That is a reason.
the man is elected to his position for life. He has nothing to grift for
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Its just a coping mechanism for people who cant admit that their platform and policies are wildly unpopular.
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pazzy posted...
A lot. There is a difference between lying through your teeth and actually having a real ass opinion that you believe.

Youre not explaining the difference in action.

A Trump true believer vs a grifter, they both will try to install Trump as president regardless of how the election goes so whats the difference? What do they do differently?
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
????

You refuse to believe any of these officials actually believe this. Stop putting your head in the sand and look at what is actually happening.
If it was mainstream then it wouldn't have even need to be denied and passed on as if the wife did it because it would be an opinion that was mainstream... Ergo, normal and perfectly valid.

There's a huge difference between "no one believes this" and "this is a mainstream opinion."

solosnake posted...
the man is elected to his position for life. He has nothing to grift for
Yeah, you do. Donations. We already know that these fucks receive "gifts" for doing certain things.
bfslick50 posted...
Youre not explaining the difference in action.

A Trump true believer vs a grifter, they both will try to install Trump as president regardless of how the election goes so whats the difference? What do they do differently?
Which has nothing to do with it being mainstream or not.
pazzy posted...
If it was mainstream then it wouldn't have even need to be denied and passed on as if the wife did it because it would be an opinion that was mainstream... Ergo, normal and perfectly valid.

There's a huge difference between "no one believes this" and "this is a mainstream opinion."

Yeah, you do. Donations. We already know that these fucks receive "gifts" for doing certain things.
you seem to be in denial imho
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pazzy posted...
Which has nothing to do with it being mainstream or not.

If it wasnt mainstream then it wouldnt work as a grift.
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pazzy posted...
If it was mainstream then it wouldn't have even need to be denied and passed on as if the wife did it because it would be an opinion that was mainstream... Ergo, normal and perfectly valid.

There's a huge difference between "no one believes this" and "this is a mainstream opinion."

Yeah, you do. Donations. We already know that these fucks receive "gifts" for doing certain things.
Election denial is absolutely mainstream and I dont know what youre attempting to argue here

Again, the official position of the texas republican party, which basically controls Texas, is that the election was stolen. How does it get more mainstream than that?

The voters also absolutely believe the election was stolen. Are all of them just grifting too?
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This is a weird ass hill to die on for something that is very obviously mainstream in right wing circles.
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic.
Heineken14 posted...
This is a weird ass hill to die on for something that is very obviously mainstream in right wing circles.
yeah no clue what that dude is doing
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Election denial is absolutely mainstream and I dont know what youre attempting to argue here

If they have a valid point, it seems that they're actually incapable of making it. I think this is one of those arguing for the sake of arguing type of deals.
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Aren't they testing people at the RNC and trumps election campaign team about whether or not they believe the election was stolen?

its the core belief of the republican party now.
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pazzy posted...
If it was mainstream then it wouldn't have even need to be denied and passed on as if the wife did it because it would be an opinion that was mainstream... Ergo, normal and perfectly valid.

The reason this is the case is because the Supreme Court is supposed to be an unbiased group of individuals that interpret the constitution, and Alito hanging the flag is blatantly calling into question their impartiality. It has nothing to do with it being a mainstream belief or not.
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pazzy posted...
It's not. This is the equivalent to saying that flat earth is a mainstream argument. It's not. People just keep inviting peddlers of it to make it seem like it is.

Like Nazism being simply "a difference if opinion" or "anti isms" in general.

The vast majority of the Republican party believes in election denialism/Big Lie and that number is ever-growing. Many GOP members of Congress still refuse to believe Biden actually won and won't refer to him as President. Our literal Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, is one of them, even.
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ssb_yunglink2 posted...
yeah no clue what that dude is doing

It's denial of the denial. Denialception.
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Most GOP members do not believe the election was stolen. The actual actions taken show that it isnt a real belief. They do believe it is the thing that a GOP member should claim to believe though.
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