What's the end game for Ukraine?

Not dying.

I choose Other. Because I have been on NCD too much.

Russia does the "Funni" and everyone loses. But Russia loses the most. When you ignore a bully's threats too long, they eventually punch you. That is how bullies work. And Russia has (possibly working) nuclear punches.

Well, more then possibly. Its their one remaining claim to fame. And frankly, its less that their stuff doesn't work and more that they are incompetent. So yes. The missiles and their warheads still work.

im uninformed of the situation at the moment but i think if the ukraine funding ends they wont be able to hold back russia long term and will be taken over

Russia keeps a small portion of of the land they took this go round, and then claim victory while saying thats all they wanted in the first place

There needed to be a greater push to get Ukraine to victory before Republicans took the US House.

After that aid slowed down and Ukraine started losing. They were never going to do great in a war of attrition because they simply have less people than Russia.

Ukraine regains their loses, but going back to 2014 isnt feasible without nato intervention.

Complete dissolution of the current russian state would be ideal tbh

Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted...

Because I have been on NCD too much.

Nice job telling on yourself.

Ukraine's endgame is a restoration of their territory including crimea.

Realistically, this probably concludes with Russia keeping some portion of the land they've taken. The question is going to be whether Ukraine can push Russia back enough that they restore access to most of their Coast or whether Russia ends up keeping their land bridge to crimea, which functionally turns Ukraine into an almost landlocked state with a significant chunk of their fertile land and natural resources now in Russian territory. That's how Russia has done it literally every other time they've done this in the last 100 years and I don't see any compelling reason to think it'll end any differently this time.

Russia is in a war economy. Their economy is burning hot, but also burning fast. If Russia cannot win within 1-2 years, it will burn itself up and plunge into an economic crisis.
If the war ends, however, then their war economy will collapse, and Russia will plunge into an economic crisis.
It's a Catch-22 situation.

I kinda feel like people were saying two years ago Russia would be in crisis if it was still going two years later. I think it depends how much support Xi wants to give POOtin.