It's not a ban, they have to supply medical documentation when they use a diagnosed steroid.
You know, the bare fucking minimum the rest of society follows.
It's unacceptable for police to be held accountable, however.
This just made me imagine huge 'roided-out cops walking around, which is hilarious and terrifyinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW7KqfSToQU
I can't say if they are right or wrong because I have no idea how their agreement is worded.You are saying there is a chance the police union is in the right. As such, you are being blasted for it, because that is a terrible stance.
You are saying there is a chance the police union is in the right. As such, you are being blasted for it, because that is a terrible stance.Looking past it being the Police Union, and just looking at it as Union, the fact that (potentially, because like I said I dont know the details of the agreement) the department changed policy without the union having a chance to renegotiate MIGHT hold water in a court of law.
Policing basically refuses to do anything about the dudes who wanna just bully people and get away with it, they don't need to ALSO allow them to be on anabolic steroids and CONSTANTLY angry.JFC. Read the article
Instead of working double overtime, they can use that time to go to the gym.they want everything
And cops already have free reign to abuse and murder people, what more do they want?
JFC. Read the article
You gotta subscription you could give me?I quoted the whole article in post #22
You gotta subscription you could give me?
New York Citys largest cop union is suing Police Commissioner Edward Caban and Mayor Adams for implementing a new zero tolerance policy on NYPD officers using steroids or other performance-enhancing drugs, the Daily News has learned.
In a lawsuit filed in Manhattan Supreme Court on Friday, lawyers for the Police Benevolent Association alleged the previously undisclosed policy flies in the face of a legal agreement the union entered into with the city in 2011.
The 2011 contract prohibited officers from ingesting or possessing any anabolic steroid or other forms of human growth hormones without a medical prescription. However, the old standard didnt require officers to run any such prescription by their NYPD district surgeon before starting to use it.
The new protocol which was enacted on Dec. 26, 2023, and described in an internal memo reviewed by The News as a zero tolerance drug policy beefs up the old rule by affirming that officers must immediately notify their district surgeon of any steroid prescription they receive and provide all supporting medical documentation to the surgeon backing up the need for the drug.
If officers are caught violating the new rule by, for example, deviating from a prescribed dosage, they can face firing, the memo says.
The PBAs lawsuit alleges the new protocol is illegal because it unilaterally revokes the 2011 standard without bargaining. The union says it is not challenging the prohibition on illegal steroid use.
In addition, defendants breached the 2011 contract by incorporating multiple provisions that deviate significantly from the originally agreed upon language of the 2011 order concerning new burdens it was placing on police officers, charges the suit, which names the NYPD as a defendant, in addition to Adams and Caban.
It wasnt immediately clear if any particular incident prompted the stricter steroid use rule.
The NYPD press office declined to comment on the new suit. Adams office didnt immediately return a request for comment.
Anabolic steroids, which are illegal without a prescription, can speed up muscle growth and have been abused by athletes. Side effects can include severe mood swings and violent behavior.
Im so fucking sick of reading posts that are imagine if this entire situation were discussing is actually something else.
The horrible precedent of the police cant just do a bunch of steroids without a prescriptionNo. The precedent of Unions not having the right to negotiate a change in an agreed upon contract.
You blatantly falling for their rhetoric doesnt make your claims any more worthwhile.Ok.
Cops work weird hours and are expected to stay in shape, but no special supplements allowed?So you think police should be able to obtain and take prescription medications without a prescription?
Looking past it being the Police Union, and just looking at it as Union,Indefensibly invalid viewpoint
Goddamn right on cue to argue the worst take possible.
Cops should absolutely not be using steroids or other performance enhancing drugs, are you for real?
I dont see anyone having a problem with cops drinking coffee
I meant stuff for staying in shape. Not my world so idk what's legal or not.Steroids are not for "staying in shape"
Cops work weird hours and are expected to stay in shape, but no special supplements allowed?Im 100% okay with taking away the almost unlimited overtime we let them get away with so they can go write traffic tickets.
Steroids are not for "staying in shape"
I don't agree with anyone taking steroids outside medical reasons.You mean medical necessity? because I've never heard of recreational steroids before
You mean medical necessity? because I've never heard of recreational steroids before
You know what I mean. Not sure if it would be called recreational but people using it to bulk up rather than heal a injury.Bulking up is a legitimate medical use of steroids. It's not accepted in athletic associations but sports rules aren't the same thing as medical rules.
Bulking up is a legitimate medical use of steroids. It's not accepted in athletic associations but sports rules aren't the same thing as medical rules.
Um no that's not the same as healing a injury one is far more needed than the other.
There is no medical need to bulk up. You get as strong as you need to be just doing the things you want to do. If you desire to get stronger more bulked up than that it's for show or an unfair advantage at something.
Bulking up is a legitimate medical use of steroids. It's not accepted in athletic associations but sports rules aren't the same thing as medical rules.
The Department is looking to punish officers that use steroids of HGH WITHOUT a prescription.
A stance that the union AGREES with.
The union is suing because the Department is looking to make a change to something agreed upon during their last contract without allowing the union to negotiate the changes and punishments.
And if they have a legitimate medical use for anabolic steroids or HGH, they will have a prescription.Unions also have qualified immunity in their contract but if a city or state was willing to eliminate that I could care less what the police think.
Which this isn't fighting.
The Department is looking to punish officers that use steroids of HGH WITHOUT a prescription.
A stance that the union AGREES with.
The union is suing because the Department is looking to make a change to something agreed upon during their last contract without allowing the union to negotiate the changes and punishments.
And if they have a legitimate medical use for anabolic steroids or HGH, they will have a prescription.
Which this isn't fighting.
The Department is looking to punish officers that use steroids of HGH WITHOUT a prescription.
A stance that the union AGREES with.
The union is suing because the Department is looking to make a change to something agreed upon during their last contract without allowing the union to negotiate the changes and punishments.
No, it's a stance the union CLAIMS they agree with. They absolutely do not and they absolutely want to avoid police potentially getting in trouble for taking steroids and whatnot illegally. They don't give a shit about the negotiations, that's just a smokescreen, the ultimate goal, as it always is, is to avoid any and all police accountability.
Police unions DO NOT deserve the benefit of the doubt and I'm not sure why you insist on giving it to them.
Here's the issue. I don't fucking understand why this needs to be a negotiation. Just arrest them and charge them with unlawful possession of a schedule 3 controlled substance the same as you would any other criminal.
In theory, it needs negotiation becasue that's what I union is there for. Negotiate the rights of the union members.They have the right to remain silent and they have the right to an attorney. Unions should not be permitted to protect criminal conduct.
They have the right to remain silent and they have the right to an attorney. Unions should not be permitted to protect criminal conduct.Its not about possession without a prescription. Its about failing drug tests.