NYPD union sues over zero tolerance steroid policy

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DrizztLink posted...
It's not a ban, they have to supply medical documentation when they use a diagnosed steroid.

You know, the bare fucking minimum the rest of society follows.

It's unacceptable for police to be held accountable, however.

That's pretty reasonable. I don't even think a cop using roids would even show up on blood test unless they they were blasting huge amounts.
Quorthon109 posted...
This just made me imagine huge 'roided-out cops walking around, which is hilarious and terrifying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW7KqfSToQU
Pro roid rage.
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bigblu89 posted...
I can't say if they are right or wrong because I have no idea how their agreement is worded.
You are saying there is a chance the police union is in the right. As such, you are being blasted for it, because that is a terrible stance.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
You are saying there is a chance the police union is in the right. As such, you are being blasted for it, because that is a terrible stance.
Looking past it being the Police Union, and just looking at it as Union, the fact that (potentially, because like I said I dont know the details of the agreement) the department changed policy without the union having a chance to renegotiate MIGHT hold water in a court of law.

Thats all Im saying. Because the union isnt arguing about whether or not police officers should be allowed to take unprescribed steroids or HGH, they are arguing whether or not the department had a right to unilaterally change the policy.

But whatever, as with most conversations on CE, Ive wasted WAY too much time discussing something that I honestly dont care about and has zero bearing on my life. I dont know a single person that is an NYPD officer, so whatever the outcome is doesnt change my life in the slightest.
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yeah bigblu is actually right. some government entity being able to pass a policy like this would set a precedent to completely undermine the authority of every other union

and I'm a person who's 100% pro union in every job sector(except police I guess, since they just abuse it. that union needs a lot of reform)
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roid rage cops?
Policing basically refuses to do anything about the dudes who wanna just bully people and get away with it, they don't need to ALSO allow them to be on anabolic steroids and CONSTANTLY angry.
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wanderingshade posted...
Policing basically refuses to do anything about the dudes who wanna just bully people and get away with it, they don't need to ALSO allow them to be on anabolic steroids and CONSTANTLY angry.
JFC. Read the article
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Southernfatman posted...
Instead of working double overtime, they can use that time to go to the gym.

And cops already have free reign to abuse and murder people, what more do they want?
they want everything
bigblu89 posted...
JFC. Read the article

You gotta subscription you could give me?
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wanderingshade posted...
You gotta subscription you could give me?
I quoted the whole article in post #22
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wanderingshade posted...
You gotta subscription you could give me?

New York Citys largest cop union is suing Police Commissioner Edward Caban and Mayor Adams for implementing a new zero tolerance policy on NYPD officers using steroids or other performance-enhancing drugs, the Daily News has learned.

In a lawsuit filed in Manhattan Supreme Court on Friday, lawyers for the Police Benevolent Association alleged the previously undisclosed policy flies in the face of a legal agreement the union entered into with the city in 2011.

The 2011 contract prohibited officers from ingesting or possessing any anabolic steroid or other forms of human growth hormones without a medical prescription. However, the old standard didnt require officers to run any such prescription by their NYPD district surgeon before starting to use it.

The new protocol which was enacted on Dec. 26, 2023, and described in an internal memo reviewed by The News as a zero tolerance drug policy beefs up the old rule by affirming that officers must immediately notify their district surgeon of any steroid prescription they receive and provide all supporting medical documentation to the surgeon backing up the need for the drug.

If officers are caught violating the new rule by, for example, deviating from a prescribed dosage, they can face firing, the memo says.

The PBAs lawsuit alleges the new protocol is illegal because it unilaterally revokes the 2011 standard without bargaining. The union says it is not challenging the prohibition on illegal steroid use.

In addition, defendants breached the 2011 contract by incorporating multiple provisions that deviate significantly from the originally agreed upon language of the 2011 order concerning new burdens it was placing on police officers, charges the suit, which names the NYPD as a defendant, in addition to Adams and Caban.

It wasnt immediately clear if any particular incident prompted the stricter steroid use rule.

The NYPD press office declined to comment on the new suit. Adams office didnt immediately return a request for comment.

Anabolic steroids, which are illegal without a prescription, can speed up muscle growth and have been abused by athletes. Side effects can include severe mood swings and violent behavior.
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Oh so bully cops can take anabolic steroids and menace the populace, they just need to run it by the district doctor and they're mad about it.
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shockthemonkey posted...
Im so fucking sick of reading posts that are imagine if this entire situation were discussing is actually something else.

As opposed to the people that dont read the article and jumped right to the comments, thinking that the union is fighting for cops to actually be able to use unprescribed steroids, when in reality the union agrees with the department, and what theyre suing over is whether or not the union can unilaterally enforce this change?

A federally run department unilaterally trying to change an agreed upon policy without the union having a chance to negotiate sets a terrible precedent.
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Cops are not members of the labor movement. Their unions are not good
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shockthemonkey posted...
The horrible precedent of the police cant just do a bunch of steroids without a prescription
No. The precedent of Unions not having the right to negotiate a change in an agreed upon contract.

This is going in circles, but AGAIN, the union isnt even arguing about the steroid use, they actually AGREE with the department.
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shockthemonkey posted...
You blatantly falling for their rhetoric doesnt make your claims any more worthwhile.
Ok.
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UndefeatedGOAT posted...
Cops work weird hours and are expected to stay in shape, but no special supplements allowed?
So you think police should be able to obtain and take prescription medications without a prescription?
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bigblu89 posted...
Looking past it being the Police Union, and just looking at it as Union,
Indefensibly invalid viewpoint
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Would likely make the bodycam vids at least a tad more interesting

But at the same time you don't want them to chase faster after your friends and climb better
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Murphiroth posted...
Goddamn right on cue to argue the worst take possible.

Cops should absolutely not be using steroids or other performance enhancing drugs, are you for real?

I don't see a problem with some stuff as long as it's not known for ya know...being rage inducing. And well a legal substance of course
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shockthemonkey posted...
I dont see anyone having a problem with cops drinking coffee

I meant stuff for staying in shape. Not my world so idk what's legal or not.
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
I meant stuff for staying in shape. Not my world so idk what's legal or not.
Steroids are not for "staying in shape"
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg
Steroids are for getting gigantic way faster. Otherwise you have to spend like 4 years lifting and eating chicken and oats to get arms like Patty.
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UndefeatedGOAT posted...
Cops work weird hours and are expected to stay in shape, but no special supplements allowed?
Im 100% okay with taking away the almost unlimited overtime we let them get away with so they can go write traffic tickets.

Last goddamn thing a cop should have is something that makes them more aggressive .
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Steroids are not for "staying in shape"

I don't agree with anyone taking steroids outside medical reasons.
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
I don't agree with anyone taking steroids outside medical reasons.
You mean medical necessity? because I've never heard of recreational steroids before
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Yeah, I'm thinking they probably shouldn't have 'roids, unless they're prescribed for an injury. Those bullies are committing enough murders and assaults already.
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Cops juicing might explain why so many of them are so violent.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
You mean medical necessity? because I've never heard of recreational steroids before

You know what I mean. Not sure if it would be called recreational but people using it to bulk up rather than heal a injury.
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
You know what I mean. Not sure if it would be called recreational but people using it to bulk up rather than heal a injury.
Bulking up is a legitimate medical use of steroids. It's not accepted in athletic associations but sports rules aren't the same thing as medical rules.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Bulking up is a legitimate medical use of steroids. It's not accepted in athletic associations but sports rules aren't the same thing as medical rules.

Um no that's not the same as healing a injury one is far more needed than the other.

There is no medical need to bulk up. You get as strong as you need to be just doing the things you want to do. If you desire to get stronger more bulked up than that it's for show or an unfair advantage at something.
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Um no that's not the same as healing a injury one is far more needed than the other.

There is no medical need to bulk up. You get as strong as you need to be just doing the things you want to do. If you desire to get stronger more bulked up than that it's for show or an unfair advantage at something.

That's a ridiculous statement. There's no "need" for lots of things. Your wounds will heal with or without steroids.
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Bulking up is a legitimate medical use of steroids. It's not accepted in athletic associations but sports rules aren't the same thing as medical rules.

And if they have a legitimate medical use for anabolic steroids or HGH, they will have a prescription.

Which this isn't fighting.

The Department is looking to punish officers that use steroids of HGH WITHOUT a prescription.

A stance that the union AGREES with.

The union is suing because the Department is looking to make a change to something agreed upon during their last contract without allowing the union to negotiate the changes and punishments.
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bigblu89 posted...
The Department is looking to punish officers that use steroids of HGH WITHOUT a prescription.

A stance that the union AGREES with.

The union is suing because the Department is looking to make a change to something agreed upon during their last contract without allowing the union to negotiate the changes and punishments.

No, it's a stance the union CLAIMS they agree with. They absolutely do not and they absolutely want to avoid police potentially getting in trouble for taking steroids and whatnot illegally. They don't give a shit about the negotiations, that's just a smokescreen, the ultimate goal, as it always is, is to avoid any and all police accountability.

Police unions DO NOT deserve the benefit of the doubt and I'm not sure why you insist on giving it to them.
bigblu89 posted...
And if they have a legitimate medical use for anabolic steroids or HGH, they will have a prescription.

Which this isn't fighting.

The Department is looking to punish officers that use steroids of HGH WITHOUT a prescription.

A stance that the union AGREES with.

The union is suing because the Department is looking to make a change to something agreed upon during their last contract without allowing the union to negotiate the changes and punishments.
Unions also have qualified immunity in their contract but if a city or state was willing to eliminate that I could care less what the police think.
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bigblu89 posted...
And if they have a legitimate medical use for anabolic steroids or HGH, they will have a prescription.

Which this isn't fighting.

I have no issue with this



The Department is looking to punish officers that use steroids of HGH WITHOUT a prescription.

A stance that the union AGREES with.

The union is suing because the Department is looking to make a change to something agreed upon during their last contract without allowing the union to negotiate the changes and punishments.

Here's the issue. I don't fucking understand why this needs to be a negotiation. Just arrest them and charge them with unlawful possession of a schedule 3 controlled substance the same as you would any other criminal.
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Murphiroth posted...
No, it's a stance the union CLAIMS they agree with. They absolutely do not and they absolutely want to avoid police potentially getting in trouble for taking steroids and whatnot illegally. They don't give a shit about the negotiations, that's just a smokescreen, the ultimate goal, as it always is, is to avoid any and all police accountability.

Police unions DO NOT deserve the benefit of the doubt and I'm not sure why you insist on giving it to them.

I'm not giving them anything, I'm just explaining the situation to all the people that think the Union is fighting for the officers to be able to roid up without punishment.
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Tyranthraxus posted...


Here's the issue. I don't fucking understand why this needs to be a negotiation. Just arrest them and charge them with unlawful possession of a schedule 3 controlled substance the same as you would any other criminal.

In theory, it needs negotiation becasue that's what I union is there for. Negotiate the rights of the union members.
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bigblu89 posted...
In theory, it needs negotiation becasue that's what I union is there for. Negotiate the rights of the union members.
They have the right to remain silent and they have the right to an attorney. Unions should not be permitted to protect criminal conduct.
It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha."
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Tyranthraxus posted...
They have the right to remain silent and they have the right to an attorney. Unions should not be permitted to protect criminal conduct.
Its not about possession without a prescription. Its about failing drug tests.

You cant be arrested for failing a drug test at your job.
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