Prestoff posted...
Yeah the best way to say it the average Viltrumite would beat the average Saiyan, but the exceptional Saiyans are pretty fucking busted compared to the strongest Viltrumite. With that said, I haven't gotten far into the comics for Invicible yet so my opinion might change.
Then you can't make that decision yet. The strongest Viltrumites are introduced like halfway through the story and are central to the story.
Guide posted...
Ain't no one run has run out of ki to such an extent that they become so vulnerable, unless it's their big, final, all-or-nothing attack. If it goes to attrition, they'd lose, but it's unlikely the scaling matches so evenly that this happens.
What feat, the lightspeed thing? They've been breaking that for a long, long time. Kid Goku was dodging lightning and lasers, and since then, there's been a conga line of people so fast that other people cannot react or even perceive their speed, and then the same thing happening to those fast people, and so on.
Vegeta, in his introduction, is a planet buster, and his strongest attack wouldn't even register on any of the top tier fighters in DBS. Hell, base Frieza was a planet buster too, over 25x stronger than Vegeta, and nothing he could do at his original final form would register. Cell was several times stronger than Frieza, and so forth. Buu
might
be able to do some minor damage, but everyone below that could easily nuke any planet, and their strongest attack would still be no-sold by the DBS endgame. DB ki attacks don't inherently scale size and strength in proportion, either, mostly because AT couldn't figure out how to make it make sense, and so he just kind of ignored it in order for them not to blow up the planet constantly.
tl;dr planet busting attacks aren't even the minimum for registering as a threat. The real threat is in hitting the actual planet, because they still need to breathe.
Ok, literally no fight in DB last even remotely close to some of the fights in Invincible lmao. I've read both and DB rarely ever continuously fight for even more than a day, and you're completely bullshitting me if you want to claim that the Saiyans portrayed in the story never ran out of ki. They run out of ki all the time and senzu beans literally save the day time and time again.
Also Goku himself has to rely on instant transmission, which btw long range ones cannot be used freely. He has to have been there first to visualize, and it takes concentration and isn't ever used combatively. Not being able to perceive their speed is already countered by Omni man able to react to the Flash knock off. Considering that is the only time anybody is ever not perceivable by Omni Man, a slightly above average Viltrumite, in the entire series, it's safe to say that when DB portrays them moving faster than human perception, it doesn't mean shit for Viltrumites.
I already addressed the planet buster shit that keeps getting brought up over and over. You guys are so obsessed with that shit, but again, the idea is that they destable the planet via either hitting the core or else. PUNCHING a planet and one shotting it is like literally several times magnitudes more impressive. Making a planet blow up by punching means they're literally punching so hard that the force disintegrates the planet. A saiyan can't fucking tank that wtf, they can't even tank the ki attack capable of reacting to a planet's core. These supposed planet buster ki attacks hit the planet at an angle all the time and do nothing to the planet.
You guys keep exaggerating the planet shit cuz that's all you got to say Saiyans are even within the same tier list of Viltrumites