TIL about Floyd's Florida's "pay to stay in prison"

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where inmates have to pay $50 a day for their original sentence even if they're released early:

It's a common saying: You do the crime, you do the time. But when people are released from prison, freedom is fragmented. It marks the start of new hardships, impacting families and communities.

Part of that is due to a Florida law many people are unaware of, further punishing second-chance citizens, preventing them from truly moving on.

It's called "pay-to-stay", charging inmates for their prison stay, like a hotel they were forced to book. Florida law says that cost, $50 a day, is based on the person's sentence. Even if they are released early, paying for a cell they no longer occupy, and regardless of their ability to pay.

Not only can the state bill an inmate the $50 a day even after they are released, Florida can also impose a new bill on the next occupant of that bed, potentially allowing the state to double, triple, or quadruple charge for the same bed.

Critics call it unconstitutional. Shelby Hoffman calls it a hole with no ladder to climb out.

more at link:

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local-news/i-team-investigates/pay-to-stay-florida-inmates-charged-for-prison-cells-long-after-incarceration

it mostly focuses on a woman's experience with it, about how she had drug problems as a teen and broke the law, so she had to do a halfway house kind of program.

she failed the program and was sentenced to seven years in prison but ended up only doing 10 months. she was still charged for the seven years.
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here's a news clip in case you don't wanna read through it:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RUcigvxZY7M
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This seems like something that should be illegal. It sounds like a medieval law. Not something in the 21st century
Charging for the time they were actually there is one thing. Iffy but understandable. Charging for the time they don't actually serve is pure corruption.
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Zikten posted...
This seems like something that should be illegal. It sounds like a medieval law. Not something in the 21st century

Charging someone for something they're not even using on top of the thing they're using being a prison bunk is definitely unusual. And it feels unnecessarily punitive to the point of, some might say, cruelty.
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Well this is bullshit
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Also gotta wonder how many of Florida's prisons that are reaping these triple-bunked (pun intended) beds are for-profit, and spending none of that money on food and amenities, and instead pocketing it to the warden who needs a new car.

I swear to God, Last Week Tonight could have a spinoff show called, "A Systemically Fucked-Up Thing Specifically in Florida That Probably Happened Even Before DeSantis Took Office," and it would outlast Oliver's bloodline by two generations.
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50/ day is 18250 per year
That's alot of money for people who most likely have little income
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ROBANN_88 posted...
50/ day is 18250 per year
That's alot of money for people who most likely have little income
thats how they make sure you come back they keep you in perpetual debt
ROBANN_88 posted...
50/ day is 18250 per year
That's alot of money for people who most likely have little income

Even less income when you realize that Florida has refused to be a "ban the box" state, further limiting former convicts' employment opportunities.

Almost as if it's deliberately designed to funnel people right back into the prison. For being poor.

But America would never do that .
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I don't know what "ban the box" is
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ROBANN_88 posted...
I don't know what "ban the box" is
The goal of the Ban the Box movement is to defer criminal history inquisition until later in the hiring process. It aims to increase fairness for applicants with a criminal history and to reduce the traditional automatic disqualification from consideration for the job due to such a history
It's also going to keep them from voting.

https://apnews.com/article/florida-voting-rights-elections-courts-voting-b4f68dd4f11a6df4430fbdc74ae93de3

Florida felons must pay all fines, restitution and legal fees before they can regain their right to vote, a federal appellate court ruled Friday in a case that could have broad implications for the November elections.

Reversing a lower court judges decision that gave Florida felons the right to vote regardless of outstanding legal obligations, the order from the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the position of Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis and the GOP-led state Legislature, leaving voting rights activists aghast.

Under Amendment 4, which Florida voters passed overwhelmingly in 2018, felons who have completed their sentences would have voting rights restored. But the legal dispute arose after lawmakers the next year moved to define what it means to complete a sentence.

In addition to prison time served, lawmakers directed that all legal financial obligations, including unpaid fines and restitution, would also have to be settled before a felon could be eligible to vote.

darkace77450 posted...
But the legal dispute arose after lawmakers the next year moved to define what it means to complete a sentence.

"... after lawmakers decided to impose an unconstitutional poll tax on minorities and poor people victimized by a for-profit prison system and republican fascism."

I never thought AP would need an editor as bad as this article needs one.
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$50 * 365 days = $18,250 /yr

Bruh, that's nuts
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It is better for society if prisoners don't pay for their imprisonment. You want it to be a drain on society to avoid bad incentives.
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DKBananaSlamma posted...
$50 * 365 days = $18,250 /yr

Bruh, that's nuts
Yeah. That can very easily reach a you are never paying this off level. Like just one year is something that can very reasonably take people like 8 years to pay off.
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bump

edit: I just noticed the "Floyd's" in the topic title, smh
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I read that it is about voter suppression

they passed a bill allowing inmates to vote or something

so the jerks made a law or it already existed saying you cannot vote until you pay off all your fines

and so they make a new fine so they can't vote

now

now why would a Republican controlled state want citizens to not be able to vote?
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darkace77450 posted...
It's also going to keep them from voting.
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Honest question: how much lower can Florida even go?
When do we know how long we can break it? Where do we go to have some?
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You pay out the nose if you're on probation or house arrest too.
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darkace77450 posted...
It's also going to keep them from voting.

https://apnews.com/article/florida-voting-rights-elections-courts-voting-b4f68dd4f11a6df4430fbdc74ae93de3

That's literally a poll tax.
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GrandConjuraton posted...
Honest question: how much lower can Florida even go?
until they stop electing scumbag republicans they can keep going lower
Trumble posted...
Charging for the time they were actually there is one thing. Iffy but understandable. Charging for the time they don't actually serve is pure corruption.
Charging for it isn't understandable at all. You can't force someone to live somewhere and then charge them for it, that's insane.
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ExtremeLuchador posted...
You pay out the nose if you're on probation or house arrest too.

House arrest doesn't bother me as bad. 1 it's just a alternative to actually being locked up 2 they gotta pay staff to monitor these people it's not like they just ignore it unless an alarms goes off alerting them to that oerson violating the rules.

My mom briefly had a job where that's all she did wad monitor people on house arrest. Funny story on that the ended up calling a dude cause he hadn't moved at all in a long period of time and he was like yapl realized I'm paralyzed right?
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They make you pay for house arrest monitoring while on bail before you're even convicted of anything.
"It was horrible," guard Jeff McInnis said.
"I took 100 naps and we were still in the air."
Do you have to pay for a prison stay in all states? I've never heard of this before.
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
House arrest doesn't bother me as bad. 1 it's just a alternative to actually being locked up 2 they gotta pay staff to monitor these people it's not like they just ignore it unless an alarms goes off alerting them to that oerson violating the rules.

My mom briefly had a job where that's all she did wad monitor people on house arrest. Funny story on that the ended up calling a dude cause he hadn't moved at all in a long period of time and he was like yapl realized I'm paralyzed right?

Have not seen that here. Not mandatory anyways it's always a alternative option to jail/prison.

What I hate is where i work sometimes people get brought in for house arrest violations and they don't take the damn ankle bracelet off so you occasionally have to hear"battery low please charge" all night cause they are in a cell with no outlets. And I'm sure it's more nerve wracking for them than me
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This is definitely related to the people of Florida voting on ballot initiative that people released from jail get their right to vote back since the fine print is you dont get it back if you owe any money related to your conviction. And in elementary school they told us we were great because we dont have paupers prisons. This is such bull.
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Shplendid!
In a sick way, I'm impressed that they took an already awful law about making them pay for time served and made it worse by having them continue to pay for time not served. Imagine being the kind of monster that brings this up as an idea.
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Blatantly unconstitutional

Florida should be punished for this bullshit.

But they wont, because Republicans are sadistic fascist fucks and democrats are spineless pricks.
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I dunno how accurate this is since it's based on a quick Google search, but this researcher says that pretty much every state, with the exception of Hawaii, has some kind of pay to stay thing going on:

A person can be charged $20 to $80 a day for their incarceration, said author Brittany Friedman, an assistant professor of sociology and a faculty affiliate of Rutgers' criminal justice program. That per diem rate can lead to hundreds of thousands of dollars in fees when a person gets out of prison. To recoup fees, states use civil means such as lawsuits and wage garnishment against currently and formerly incarcerated people, and regularly use administrative means such as seizing employment pensions, tax refunds and public benefits to satisfy the debt.

Friedman says states require incarcerated people to declare their assets upon arrival to the prison and actively examine their inmate accounts to uncover any assets. People with pensions, savings accounts or regular deposits to their inmate accounts by friends and family members are at risk of suit.

The study traced pay-to-stay statutes within criminal legal codes to showcase how a conviction and incarceration can trigger a host of civil penalties as a mechanism for states to recoup the cost of incarcerating people.

Every state in the U.S., except Hawaii, charges pay-to-stay fees, said Friedman. These fees and civil recoupment strategies force us to question the purpose and morality of criminal justice.

Friedman says rationales justifying these fees routinely do not recognize them as a form of punishment and instead policymakers see pay-to-stay as financial reimbursement to the state by portraying incarcerated people as using up system resources. The justification allows pay-to-stay statutes to survive legal arguments alleging double punishment.

more at link: https://www.rutgers.edu/news/states-unfairly-burdening-incarcerated-people-pay-stay-fees
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A person can be charged $20 to $80 a day for their incarceration, said author Brittany Friedman, an assistant professor of sociology and a faculty affiliate of Rutgers' criminal justice program. That per diem rate can lead to hundreds of thousands of dollars in fees when a person gets out of prison. To recoup fees, states use civil means such as lawsuits and wage garnishment against currently and formerly incarcerated people, and regularly use administrative means such as seizing employment pensions, tax refunds and public benefits to satisfy the debt.

Why is this a problem? Convicted felons are in hot demand for well-paying jobs, so they'll have no trouble paying back the tens of thousands of dollars in debt the people who locked them up have saddled them with. They definitely won't struggle to find employment, and definitely won't be pressured to return to a life of crime in order to pay back such exorbitant fees. If this wasn't a great system, the US wouldn't have a negligible recidivism rate of 76.6%.
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