Among others, that it won't make a difference. I'm also in South Carolina.
Statistically, so is being upset at people who aren't voting in most states.
I'm only popping up cuz this is basically a continuation of stuff from the other thread from yesterday, but, I still can't believe this doesn't make sense to people. If you're in a solid red or solid blue state, which is most of the states, it's basically a statistical impossibility that your vote could matter.
Again, just using my state - which is solid red, up 10-15% on average for Republicans for the last 50+ years. You would need to sway 300k+ Republicans and Independents to switch, or convince at least that many NEW voters to vote Dem. That's literally not going to happen w/o major demographic shifts (ie old people dying).
I'll take being called lazy or apathetic or whatever, but to act like we are somehow actively contributing negatively is just wrong and silly.
Cool. So vote anyway. What could you possibly lose?
It doesn't affect THIS election but it affects FUTURE elections and I'll explain why. The political parties dedicate campaign financing to different states based on the outlook or probability it will make a difference. Over time, if a state shifts colors a bit, the party will dedicate more funds there to continue that push. So slowly over time even a red state (for example, Georgia from years ago) can eventually become less red. Then purple, then even blue. But that only matters if the parties see that votes in the state are changing. So while you may not flip one individual election, it will help "shift" the perception of the state and allow future people in the state more confidence to vote the different way. Your vote IS being counted and people ARE paying attention to the numbers. But if they see the same ratios all the time, then yeah they won't change strategy. If they see numbers shift 2%, 5%, 8% election over election, you bet your ass they will run more door to door campaigns and commercials in a shifting state.
Do not try to use game theory to rationalize not voting. Just vote for the candidate you think would be better and leave it at that. That is how democracy is designed to function - with an assumption that many, many people participate. When people stop participating, that's when you get ruling fringe groups and other crazy shit that harms the country.
I said, among others. Also, it's a waste of time.
My reasons aren't solely the numbers, but that is a big part of it. Future elections will be handled by demographic shifts, much more than me, personally, going to vote against Trump.
The rights of tens of millions of people are on the line and you refuse to do anything unless maybe they toss a little cash your way.
So yes, you proved my point. Reconsider your opinion.
Okay, now we're veering into Jews-Control-the-World Anti-Semitic conspiracy territory...See, if you take an anti-Semitic theory and replace Jew with Zionist it becomes okay./s
What point? That I hold that much power/my personal vote will decide if millions lose their rights or not? If thats the case and your point, whats a dozen donuts to someone that has the power to change history? I know its illegal to bribe now, but voting should have incentives for ppl to go out and vote.And if a meteor was gonna fall out of the sky and crush me if I didn't go to work on that Saturday, I wouldn't give a damn what I thought of my boss. I'd be up and at 'em.
When I have a day off and my manager needs me to come in, hell ask me and offer me lunch. If it wasnt for the lunch, I wouldnt have gone in, lol. Its that simple really. If you need something from me, I need something from you.
This is an example of selfishness because you don't care about the people life did not continue normally for. Selfishness is not a good trait. Your focus is on you at the exclusion of others.
That is a really good way to describe it.
I admire your dedication to proving my point.
It's really not tho, the rest of the water was still going to kill you anyway.But what if the flood only happened because a million drops all thought the flood was inevitable? The flood could have been a puddle if they chose differently.
And if a meteor was gonna fall out of the sky and crush me if I didn't go to work on that Saturday, I wouldn't give a damn what I thought of my boss. I'd be up and at 'em.
Considering whether or not being crushed into paste is okay, because my boss didn't offer me incentives, is an insane thought process. At some point, self-preservation should kick in.
"Ok being alive is nice, but I'm not going to just get out of bed because it will keep me alive. I need getting out of bed to offer me more than not killing me!"
Sure but your line of reasoning applies to millions of people, and if they all make the same decision as you do, for the same reasoning, then our democracy is worse for it.
It's like a cell going cancerous. Yeah, maybe one individual cell won't make you sick. But if millions do you've got a problem. It's a symptom of a trend that's not good.
Ultimately, you have to be the change you want to see in the world. If I give you a lever you can pull to make the world 0.00000000001% a nicer place or 0.00000000001% a worse place, and you choose to just not pull it at all - it's the same idea here.
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. Ultimately that choice is just leaving donating the voice you had to other people, and letting other people determine your fate for you. It's pretty much the only voice in governance the average person get, and people fought and died for the chance while most people aren't even paying attention.
It's kind of a sad situation really. I'm sorry you feel like you don't matter. But it's a self-fulfilling prophecy if you could have done something but didn't.
But what if the flood only happened because a million drops all thought the flood was inevitable? The flood could have been a puddle if they chose differently.
Millions of people already make the same decision that I do, or are forced into it for a variety of reasons. The smarter things for Dems to do would be to promote voting, where the Republicans do the exact opposite. They COULD have spent the last 4 years trying to make Election Day a National Holiday, or making it more viable to vote by mail, or any number of other things.Who fucking cares what the Democrats are doing? I still need to vote against the GOP. I'm not doing that for Biden or any of those assholes. It's in the best interests of all regular people that the GOP not win.
This is another textbook example of selfishness. I help people because I like helping people. I give gifts because it makes me makes me happy to give gifts. I donate to those more unfortunate than myself because it's the right thing to do. I never expect anything in return. I have given gifts to some friends/family because I can even though I have never received anything from them.
Who fucking cares what the Democrats are doing? I still need to vote against the GOP. I'm not doing that for Biden or any of those assholes. It's in the best interests of all regular people that the GOP not win.
I couldn't give less of a shit whether or not that teaches the Democrats a lesson. They get to be lucky that they are running against motherfucking fascists and don't have to do anything other than exist as "not the GOP". We can work on fixing them between elections, when there's not a party of rabid wolves waiting to tear us to shreds.
Im over here talking about simple things like you wash my back and I wash yours and youre bringing up meteors and human paste lol.Because who's washing my back doesn't matter when the alternative is far worse.
Sure doesn't change that you're selfish. You only care about yourself which, again, is textbook selfishness. At this point you can at least own up to it.
I'll be 100% fair to you. I don't think you're an awful or cruel person. I don't think you're as bad as someone who wants to strip the rights of others but I do find your selfishness unfortunate. That's my opinion of course.
I never said this for the record. That's a strawman.
No, I'm not. He'll lose and by a wider margin than last time
And that's if he's even allowed to run.
It's not going to happen.
It's really not tho, the rest of the water was still going to kill you anyway.
That's what literally every other raindrop said.What happened to 1061?
That's not guaranteedNow the non-voters just tell us that even if things do get bad like that, we can just fight a civil war or assassinate the president or something!
He will be.
That's what people thought in 2016 and now RvW is overturned.
Because who's washing my back doesn't matter when the alternative is far worse.
It's "go to work on the weekend and deal with my jerk boss" or "stay home and get shot by a home invader". That's what trans people, women, other minorities are dealing with this election. Taking the chances with the killer because you don't want your boss to have the satisfaction would be a crazy, self-destructive decision.
Clearly you have no real fears and nothing to lose so you don't care like I do. You have privilege.
What happened to 1061?
...Would have been nice to have a warning so that we could do a sendoff. Shame.
What the fuck?
Yeah, Fandom must have gone after it. Because like it never was going to stop with 261, and like it was never going to stop with CE.
I'm not the leader of that board though so I have no idea what was said.
That's what literally every other raindrop said.
I gotta be honest, Ive been dealing with a lot the past several years, I have no fear cuz Im not afraid to die/of death. Im a white hispanic. As Gladius has said, maybe my depression is causing me being apathetic. Maybe things will change in the near future, but if Im being real now, idc to vote. Im in a blue state (NJ), friends/family I have are all voting Biden, Im rooting for you, Im on your sidethe only thing in your eyes separating me from basically being a friend or foe is me not voting.
Would have been nice to have a warning so that we could do a sendoff. Shame.
Okay, well, you still have to convince the rest of the flood, even if you got me, so....again, it's just a matter of math.
So, being realistic - you're not going to be able to flip the amount of people you need in solid red states, you're going to have to bring in new voters. You also need those voters to be on your side - which presumably, will probably wash out about the same as the people already voting, meaning you need to get at least HALF (in my state, the example i used) of unregistered voters to not only vote, but vote for your guy.
You're about as likely to change that as I am to convince any of you how pointless it is lmao
What is 1061?
Depression is certainly a struggle, one I deal with as well. It can be easy to stop caring, because it's safer than being hurt. But it's ultimately just a slower, more drawn out way of hurting yourself.
Think about your loved ones for a minute. Think about the people you care about, the people who have been there for you when no one else has.
Now imagine someone wants to hurt those people. Imagine someone wanting to utterly destroy them and wielding the power to do so.
Now imagine if you had the power to stop them. Imagine if it was as simple as standing up and saying "NO" to them.
What do you do in that scenario?
I mean, Im not lying. Trump was elected and life went on normal for me for the most part besides all of COVID. Bidens president now and life is going at the usual norm for me. You gotta stop creating enemies with anyone who doesnt do exactly as you do.
If you can be convinced, so can others. You say it's a matter of math, yet you don't seem to understand that math is a changing of numbers.
Will SC turn blue this election? Probably not. But if it gets closer and closer, that can eventually lead to something. Hell, SC has been blue before. If you say it's impossible you're already proven wrong.
It won't be likely or easy, but it's still possible.
But if you stay on the fence, you're contributing to the flood. Every line, every excuse, every justification you can offer has been used by every other fence sitter.
Imagine if no one brought into the "It's not my responsibility" line.
In that scenario, if it was as simple as saying no, of course Id stop them. I cant equate that scenario to voting because it isnt as simple as saying no. To continue with your scenario though, I have the power of a single no stopping someone from destroying loved ones
there are countless of others willing to say no to stop destruction from happening.
But, it's still hilarious how you literally can't help but act like I'm actively fighting against you or something lol, when regardless of my actions, there's still a flood. And the people who COULD have done something to help with that (the politicians), haven't.
It's normal for you because you or your loved ones aren't affected, but it doesn't make sense to assume it's this way for everyone. Like, if you had a trans relative in the wrong area, their life got significantly worse. Assuming you cared about them, would you not take issue with Trump?
I'm not acting like that all. I know you don't care what will likely happen to me or my family if Trump wins. You'll have nothing to say should that day come.
You literally are, saying shit like "you're still part of the flood", and the general sentiment from most of the posters on these issues is consistently the same. This ENTIRE TOPIC is about it, for fucks sake.