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BlueKat posted...
You do realize those statues were put up decades after the fact to create a false narrative, right?

Eh I still say a museum and put actual facts on a placard. Cause what the south did after the war is still part of history.

But if I'm being honest I won't lose any sleep if they get destroyed either. So thos is definitely not a hill I'm willing to die on
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Eh I still say a museum and put actual facts on a placard. Cause what the south did after the war is still part of history.

But if I'm being honest I won't lose any sleep if they get destroyed either. So thos is definitely not a hill I'm willing to die on


CSCA33 posted...
At least 50 confederate monuments have been built since 1990, why would stuff like that belong in a museum

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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Eh I still say a museum and put actual facts on a placard. Cause what the south did after the war is still part of history.

But if I'm being honest I won't lose any sleep if they get destroyed either. So thos is definitely not a hill I'm willing to die on
Sure. Gather them all together, then put a placard nearby that says "Obama was president longer than the Confederacy existed lmao"
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Already said I'm not willing to die on that hill I'm don't hold strong opinions on it. Just as long as the history itself isn't erased or hidden. History should show all the good the bad and the ugly.
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Already said I'm not willing to die on that hill I'm don't hold strong opinions on it. Just as long as the history itself isn't erased or hidden. History should show all the good the bad and the ugly.
Who is erasing history and burning books?

Republicans.
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Karovorak posted...
Honestly, as an European I simply avoid most political topics from the US by default, because everything is seen as attack on one and defending the other.

is it like that where you are from? I am always curious on politics from countries foreign for ours.

maxpkmf posted...
Voting straight down party lines is ignorant. Informed people vote issues and policy. Vote blue no matter who or whatever repubs say is a being brainwashed.

It sucks because we have a two party system and there's only one or the other or go independent which always seems wasteful. If there were more parties then perhaps it would have been easier but rather issues and policy people seem to vote one or the other by definition. Or in recent cases: Against the greater evil
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The worst users on this board are far left.
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God_of_6strings posted...
The worst users on this board are far left.
Nah, they're just the wurst. You silly sausage.
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Karovorak posted...
Honestly, as an European I simply avoid most political topics from the US by default, because everything is seen as attack on one and defending the other.

not gonna quote the whole post, but yeah, i can't even imagine how the discourse around politics feels if you're not an American. i'm sorry.
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Asherlee10 posted...
What far left belief or opinion is worse than bigotry, racism, stripping rights, etc.?


being against bigotry, racism, stripping rights, and etc.
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
I've never agreed with tearing down statues. Put them in a museum and/or put a placard near it stating the bead things they did if they did indeed do bad things. But I would be careful to not make it look opinionated just simply state facts.

This can be done for the north if the man even has a satue. He did horrible things in NC atleast. (There was animal cruelty involved so rather tou dont care about the other stuff that is horrible enough) So just make it a list of notable things they did good or bad. But I don't believe in erasing or hiding history.

p much all of the confederate monuments were put up 50-100 years after the war. There is no historicity involved its literally just the children of losing traitors trying to glorify and AstroTurf their traitor history
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I vote dem because the GOP is a mess and Im not down with the outright hate and punishment that seems to drive their current policy, but I have many conservative views like lessening the role of government in our lives and fiscal conservativism. I think federal spending and the national debt is a major problem that neither party is taking seriously. I dont care about woke nonsense that both parties want to fight over, it just doesnt matter to me.

The two party system is bad and needs to go. I want leaders that care about the future of this nation more than scoring points with their respective echo chamber. I want intelligence and rationalism in politics, which neither party seems to make a high priority.

As far as CE goes, because I don't repeat many democratic talking points I have been called MAGA and even been modded in dumb ways but thats how it is. This board is rightfully overly critical of right leaning posts.

When their cult leader is a convicted sex pest that is facing other felonies and threatening democracy itself, Im ok being a little more careful with posts that may support those things.
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CSCA33 posted...
Who is erasing history and burning books?

Republicans.
Never disagreed with that. I just prefer my history matter of factly rather than have opinions brought in. The north held moral high ground especially when it came to slaves but they wherent all saints either. Thr South was horrible but they have made some good contributions if I'm not mistaken.

Hell one point I contest is the underground railroad woulda never worked if some southerners wherent abolitionists.

Yeahbfuck the confederacy as far as the government side went. The soldiers are iffy. Iirc my history right there was a draft and it took 500 bucks to buy out of the draft. Which slave owners where probably the majority of who could afford that. That in itself is a fucked up practice. If they wanted to defend slavery so bad they shoulda fought for it themselves.
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nekrodev posted...
not gonna quote the whole post, but yeah, i can't even imagine how the discourse around politics feels if you're not an American. i'm sorry.
You kidding bro.

You both export your politics wholesale.

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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Thr South was horrible but they have made some good contributions if I'm not mistaken.
Jesus Christ
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Cant wait to hear more about why some of yall are proud to vote Republican
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CSCA33 posted...
Cant wait to hear more about why some of yall are proud to vote Republican
May I PM you? I'd prefer to get approval before doing so. (Unrelated in any way to voting Republican)
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CSCA33 posted...
Cant wait to hear more about why some of yall are proud to vote Republican

Im republican and im pro trans rights and lgtbq. Lot of us are.
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maxpkmf posted...
Im republican and im pro trans rights and lgtbq. Lot of us are.
"Fiscally Conservative and uh... uh... look, you have to make your vote matter, y'know?"
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Rotterdammerung posted...
May I PM you? I'd prefer to get approval before doing so. (Unrelated in any way to voting Republican)
Sure =)
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maxpkmf posted...
Im republican and im pro trans rights and lgtbq. Lot of us are.

Why do you vote for a party that keeps trying to hurt those people?
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maxpkmf posted...
Im republican and im pro trans rights and lgtbq. Lot of us are.
Mhmm yeah sure
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Jesus Christ

I don't mean from a moral standpoint. Like infact I will step that back and not even say so much as good but simply some advancements. If I'm not mistaken they invented the conical bullet we still use.

It's a minor thing and not a advancement but I would commend j.e.b. Stuart for overtaking a union camp and not killing a single person.

But either way at the end of the day the right side won the war you won't hear me say otherwise ever.

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Rotterdammerung posted...
"Fiscally Conservative and uh... uh... look, you have to make your vote matter, y'know?"

What does that even mean?
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maxpkmf posted...
Im republican and im pro trans rights and lgtbq. Lot of us are.
No. No they are not.
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Never disagreed with that. I just prefer my history matter of factly rather than have opinions brought in. The north held moral high ground especially when it came to slaves but they wherent all saints either. Thr South was horrible but they have made some good contributions if I'm not mistaken.

Hell one point I contest is the underground railroad woulda never worked if some southerners wherent abolitionists.

Yeahbfuck the confederacy as far as the government side went. The soldiers are iffy. Iirc my history right there was a draft and it took 500 bucks to buy out of the draft. Which slave owners where probably the majority of who could afford that. That in itself is a fucked up practice. If they wanted to defend slavery so bad they shoulda fought for it themselves.

Dude wtf
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A summary of American History:

The South wanted to leave the country and fought a civil war over being able to keep their slaves. The North kicked their ass and freed the slaves. The South was super sore losers over that to this day and put up stupid ass statues of the leaders of the South all over the place - 50 years after the fact. They also do everything in their power - to this day - to treat minorities like shit at every opportunity. And they try to carve out this own their own excuses for doing so as "States rights!" - like because you're your own state you're allowed to make your own laws and treat minorities like shit.

"Agree to disagree, I just want to be racist in my own territory" - basically. Of course they try to defend themselves using "Fiscal conservative" while not admitting to the fact that EVERY time we have a GOP president the national debt EXPLODES and EVERY time we have a Democrat president the national debt is reduced.

But ignore all that and complain there's a "crisis at the border" - I swear to god man these people are SO fucking afraid of "the others". I think if half of them met a brown skinned person in their life they would be visually afraid.

And the worst part? Some of their supporters are just single-issue voters who oppose access to medical abortion. But they're totally not upset about all the other heinous shit the GOP support as long as "their team" wins.

Meanwhile the Democrats are a big tent part of "everyone else". Basically if you're a white Christian male you're in the GOP and if you're not you're in the Democratic party.

I have nothing good to say about anyone who continues to identify with the GOP. At best you're willfully ignorant of their policies. At worst you're part and parcel to the cruel shit they dole out at every turn.

Nobody is attacking your FUCKING religion. We just want you to stop PUSHING your FUCKING religion down everyone else's throat. Get that shit out of government and out of schools. Control your own house and leave everyone else the fuck out of it.
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Asherlee10 posted...
Do you understand what you are saying?

So you are saying because one thing about what they did was absolutely horrible then everything they did was? I never understood this logic

I mean look at the opposite end we are no longer under British rule because some men decided to fight for their rights but they also did horrible things.
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maxpkmf posted...
Voting straight down party lines is ignorant. Informed people vote issues and policy. Vote blue no matter who or whatever repubs say is a being brainwashed.

I'm a Texan and I can't remember the last time I saw an ad from a Texas politician (almost all of the ones in my area are republican) that even pretended to discuss policy. It's all "I'm a Trump-loving conservative who will stop Joe Biden from flooding the border with illegals!"

Childish nonsense, nothing mentioned about what they intend to do for voters because they DON'T intend to do anything for their voters, they just want to appeal to tribalism and bigotry.
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Gladius_ posted...
You ran out of the last thread when asked why you support a party that is willing to circumvent your vote in order to do what they want. You conceded that some republicans voted in favor for pro choice rights and it's the party that is trying to circumvent the will of the people. I asked you to explain why you would support a party who went "You voted for this but we don't want to do this so we are looking for a way to overturn your vote."

At this point you ducked and ran for the hills.

Nevermind that the majority who voted were not "republican voters" but left leaning voters and some republicans who realized the leapords just ate their faces.

Is this the part where you duck and run again?


I don't vote down party lines. I vote policy. I didn't run. You don't conversate in good faith, why should I continue talking to you?
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mercurydude posted...
I'm a Texan and I can't remember the last time I saw an ad from a Texas politician (almost all of the ones in my area are republican) that even pretended to discuss policy. It's all "I'm a Trump-loving conservative who will stop Joe Biden from flooding the border with illegals!"

Childish nonsense, nothing mentioned about what they intend to do for voters because they DON'T intend to do anything for their voters, they just want to appeal to tribalism and bigotry.


Its funny because that's always the 'go-to' even though there haven't been times where illegals were going to be given free reign by law. Sadly they probably say "yeah we're stopping such laws from passing" and then say if you vote for them they'll make it even better which they never do.

Most of the time its trying to undo whatever progress was made before..
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Asherlee10 posted...
No there are not. And why do you support a party that is actively against LGBTQ?

Dude, I get it but between Max and Phoenix it's blatant, super low effort bait. I also get being bored, but tryyyyyy to not feed them
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