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NightingaleMD posted...
I don't understand this logic. I truly don't. Whether you like me or not, I'm an expert. I'm board certified in emegency medicine. I'm a medical director of a national insurance company. I am an expert of managed care (medicaid/medicare policy).

Again you might not like me, but there can't possibly be a person here that understands how healthcare works better than I do.

You just don't like my answers. I didn't make a system that incentivizes profit. I just work in it. Pays the bills.

I'll not engage in debate, but I will ask you to Google the dunning-kruger effect. Confidence is very high when knowledge is very low. That's the reason half my patients would tell me I'm wrong or explain some made up medicine to me works better than antibiotics.

Hell. I've only been doing this for less than a year in my current role and some of the bureaucracy is still overwhelming (and i think InterQual was made to punish). So how you know more than me is mysterious.
Do you support gender affirming care for trans children?
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Its a pretty straight forward question that you can answer without hesitation.
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CSCA33 posted...
Do you support gender affirming care for trans children?

Depends on how you define "support."

Personally, this feels like something that needs more research. The confounding psychiatric conditions I see on these patients make it difficult at times to assess. This is such a controversial area I won't say anything further beyond my wish more is known about etiology of gender dysphoria.

But if you mean "support" in terms of professional work, my opinion is irrelevant. I have very rigid guidelines to enforce. If I get a letter from their psych doc saying it's okay, I see good documentation of the gender dysphoria, continuous hormone therapy usage (depends on age), and a few other things I approve surgery.

The hardest requirement to meet is "exclusion of incongruency." This is hard to meet since it becomes a cart-before-the-horse phenomenon. Ie, I had a case where one doc documented a 14 year old wanted reassignment because she was angry at her parents. I don't know if that's true but I can't by policy approve if someone documents that.

These are pretty rare anyway but can involve over 100 pages of chart to review. Even one thing out of line like what I mentioned can derail the whole thing.

Same for any procedure, really. It's not a secret that insurance companies don't want to pay for things. Personally I think that's a part of the overall Healthcare problem but what do I know...

And I feel like I've derailed this topic enough so I'll step out.
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NightingaleMD posted...
You just don't like my answers.

No. It's that your answers showed you were incapable of providing proper medical care to patients who came into your ER or office.

The board should strip your license if they ever heard about how you treated your patients the way you told us you did.

You shouldn't be managing anyone's care but your own. Maybe not even then.
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Well thats a lot of words where no would suffice.
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DnDer posted...
No. It's that your answers showed you were incapable of providing proper medical care to patients who came into your ER or office.

Dunning-kruger



The board should strip your license if they ever heard about how you treated your patients the way you told us you did.

Dunning-kruger. Jesus, you make it sound like like I'm just killing people left and right



You shouldn't be managing anyone's care but your own. Maybe not even then.

Okay
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NightingaleMD posted...
Depends on how you define "support."

Personally, this feels like something that needs more research. The confounding psychiatric conditions I see on these patients make it difficult at times to assess. This is such a controversial area I won't say anything further beyond my wish more is known about etiology of gender dysphoria.

But if you mean "support" in terms of professional work, my opinion is irrelevant. I have very rigid guidelines to enforce. If I get a letter from their psych doc saying it's okay, I see good documentation of the gender dysphoria, continuous hormone therapy usage (depends on age), and a few other things I approve surgery.

The hardest requirement to meet is "exclusion of incongruency." This is hard to meet since it becomes a cart-before-the-horse phenomenon. Ie, I had a case where one doc documented a 14 year old wanted reassignment because she was angry at her parents. I don't know if that's true but I can't by policy approve if someone documents that.

These are pretty rare anyway but can involve over 100 pages of chart to review. Even one thing out of line like what I mentioned can derail the whole thing.

Same for any procedure, really. It's not a secret that insurance companies don't want to pay for things. Personally I think that's a part of the overall Healthcare problem but what do I know...

And I feel like I've derailed this topic enough so I'll step out.

A lot of words to just tell CSCA "no."

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CSCA33 posted...
Well thats a lot of words where no would suffice.

Ha! I got ninja'd.
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NightingaleMD posted...
Dunning-kruger

I've noticed something really interesting about the people who use that word term a lot.
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DnDer posted...
A lot of words to just tell CSCA "no."

I didn't say "no."

Wishing more was known of etiology does not mean, "no."

I also wish more was known about etiology of pulmonary fibrosis but I'm okay with them getting lung transplants

Knowledge is never a bad thing and helps guide future care

If it makes people happy and it's supported by policy, go for it
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I wonder if he also needs to know more about the etiology of being gay

but its not a disease to be trans (or gay), nor do you need gender dysphoria to be trans. Cisgender people can also experience gender dysphoria, famously documented in the horrible case of David Reimer
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False dichotomy as well, where current evidenced based guidelines are followed to provide gender affirming care while regularly doing research to improve that care.

We can provide healthcare to people based on what we know is ethical and good standards of care while working to improve it. Its not controversial like you tried to make it seem or a new thing.
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CSCA33 posted...
I wonder if he also needs to know more about the etiology of being gay


.....yes?

Knowing why anything happens is valuable. It's not offensive. It's helpful. Why does heart failure happen? Why do some kids get juvenile arthritis and end up in a wheelchair? Why does schizophrenia develop, and why is there a hard association with cat ownership especially around age 9? (For real, a wild systemic review just came out about this)

And why did you put etiology in quotes? Do you not know what it means?

How is it harmful to know why something happens?
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You used it specifically in the context of not voicing support for gender affirming care, dude. Now youre being disingenuous.
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Gender dysphoria is not a mystery btw, you seem to be treating it like some disease that causes people to be trans, and have it all backwards, like gender dysphoria is the origin of trans people and you want to know the origin of that.
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NightingaleMD posted...
I don't understand this logic. I truly don't. Whether you like me or not, I'm an expert. I'm board certified in emegency medicine. I'm a medical director of a national insurance company. I am an expert of managed care (medicaid/medicare policy).

Again you might not like me, but there can't possibly be a person here that understands how healthcare works better than I do.

I feel like if you have to say this as much as you do, instead of just letting your expertise speak for itself, you're more than likely full of crap and just trying to convince people otherwise. And, throughout your post history, you've felt the need to say this A LOT, because you often post stuff that doesn't even make sense, and you just go "Trust me, I'm an expert on this."
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Thats appeal to authority in action
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DnDer posted...
I've noticed something really interesting about the people who use that word term a lot.
Mans about to lose his freedom of speech
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I just learned that trans people in India were idolized for thousands of years until it became a British colony.
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ClayGuida posted...
I just learned that trans people in India were idolized for thousands of years until it became a British colony.
Native Americans also had trans people coexist peacefully in their society. At least until the missionaries demonized them.
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Our existence is not controversial, thats just cishet normative bigotry rearing its ugly transphobic face
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NightingaleMD posted...
I didn't say "no."

Didn't you?

But if you mean "support" in terms of professional work, my opinion is irrelevant.

If I get a letter from

These are all shiny code words for, "If work didn't force me, I wouldn't."

Hard to not read that into your statements.
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Its frustrating when people make baseless and transphobic insinuations that trans people are mentally ill, as NightingaleMD did.

Unfortunately there are actual people working in healthcare who hold those kind of stubbornly bigoted beliefs, are not educated or trained properly, and fail to provide an adequate level of care for some of their more vulnerable patients.

Weve had to fight back against this level of misinformation and willful ignorance for many years.
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CSCA33 posted...
Thats appeal to authority in action
It also assumes any of the shit he claims is even true, or that licenses and certifications preclude you from being called out on shitty opinions.

It'd be like if I got my PhD in physics and then started saying the earth is actually flat, then claiming expertise when people rightfully point out that that's fucking stupid
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NightingaleMD posted...
Whether you like me or not, I'm an expert.

Yea thats great and all but the other experts in your field that think you're a bozo far out number you.
"The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo
Claiming you're an expert in a field doesn't make you immune to criticism regarding bigoted and wrong beliefs.

Pie on 261 claimed to be a renowned chemist yet was a very loud young earth creationist who believed that giants built the pyramids. Him being a chemist didn't make him any less wrong.
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When we've had examples of doctors and nurses going antivax, saying "trust me bro, I'm an expert" while you say stupid shit is understandably rather uncompelling.
Look, I can name a few instances in MY life where I tried to reach mutual understanding
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NightingaleMD posted...
Depends on how you define "support."

User is not currently an active member.

Depends on how you define "active".
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ItsNotA2Mer posted...
User is not currently an active member.

Depends on how you define "active".
Lol
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well, ripperooni
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So well never see Nightingale back here on this board eh? Such a shame, truly. Not sure how well ever survive.
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CE_gonna_CE posted...
So well never see Nightingale back here on this board eh? Such a shame, truly. Not sure how well ever survive.
unless they get away with a warning somehow

though i think they just came off of a purg
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wackyteen posted...
unless they get away with a warning somehow
Yeah, no chance of that happening
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deoxxys posted...
I mean Roe v Wade being appealed massively blindsided me I didn't think anything like that would ever happen. I still strongly doubt something like gay marriage would be repealed and if it ever was I'd be just as surprised.

fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on me again?
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misterbum posted...
Yeah, no chance of that happening
straight to suspension is straight to purgsville?
The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt.
No! Not the fake doctor! Who will shill for insurance companies? Who will post thier hatred for people needing medical care? Who?!
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Gladius_ posted...
Wait he's a fake doctor? Lmao! I gave him the benefit of doubt.
I hope so becuase his ignorance of basic medical information in other topics would be scary in a trained doctor.
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Had him tagged as fake too. Didn't say anything earlier because I wanted him to have the chance to prove himself.
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Umbreon posted...
Had him tagged as fake too. Didn't say anything earlier because I wanted him to have the chance to prove himself.
The fact that he brough it up every time he posted was also pretty sus.
"I will either find a way, or make one."
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havean776 posted...
The fact that he brough it up every time he posted was also pretty sus.
Putting MD in his username clinched it. He was a gimmick poster, nothing more.
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Gladius_ posted...
Wait he's a fake doctor?
He's as real a doctor as SMAL is a lawyer
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NightingaleMD posted...
there can't possibly be a person here that understands how healthcare works better than I do.

Confidence is very high when knowledge is very low.

I cut out a lot in between but having those 2 sentences in the same post, he was showing his hand.
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SAlYAN posted...
Putting MD in his username clinched it. He was a gimmick poster, nothing more.
DrClaeys does it right

His user name isnt Claeys, MD like a tv show doctor
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Has anyone on this thread actually try to defend this bullshit?
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Funny he tells everyone about the dunning Kruger effect and yet doesn't say a thing about appeal to authority like what he was doing lol.
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