i said it was a failure of diplomacy on Zelensky's part and the result of actions instigated by those under his government.
You do know that the Israel-Palestine conflict is ONGOING?
All of the sudden its ok to talk about diplomacy and instigation instead of screaming ceasefire and genocide.So youre saying theres no genocide? Or are you saying that the events of October 7 warranted a genocidal response?
The same ongoing conflict that Iran funds? Yes I'm aware.
The same ongoing conflict that Iran funds? Yes I'm aware.
So youre saying theres no genocide? Or are you saying that the events of October 7 warranted a genocidal response?
i said it was a failure of diplomacy on Zelensky's part and the result of actions instigated by those under his government. the Ukraine war was a tragic result of this failure in diplomacy. I never said it was a good thing that Russia invaded, youre just taking words out of my mouth.
Putin may or may not be an evil POS but hes no more so than leading politician of any NATO nation.
Nope.Defending Iran or Russias actions in one instance doesnt equate to defending the nations of Iran / Russia. Things are often more nuanced than they appear.
I'm saying Israel is genocidal and Netanyahu should be sent to the Hague.
And the tankie freaks in this topic defending Iran and Russia are no better than people who defend bibi.
Glad we cleared that up.
Your prior post did include facts about the lead up to the conflict that many people dont discuss. This one, however, is just not factual.Dont get me started on what NATO did in Libya. Also, read up on any Chomsky book to educate yourself about the militant terrorist guerrilla factions the US has backed over the years. Just because its not in your face / clandestine enough doesnt make these actions any less vile.
Other NATO leaders arent openly having their rivals poisoned, thrown off buildings or shot out of the sky. Putin is an evil POS and a very different kind of political leader than every other NATO leader.
Dont get me started on what NATO did in Libya.
Never go full tankie lmfao
This is a shockingly myopic view of the proxy war that's been orchestrated by Iran for the last two decades.Great post. Good to see some common sense here on CE.
In a broad sense, there are two types of nations in the Middle East. Stable nations with functional economies who collaborate with the international community. This is your Saudi Arabias, Israels, Iraqs, Qatars, Omans, ect.
Then there are you broken states run by fundamentalist military juntas or terrorist organizations. They have nearly non-existant economies and their only significant interactions with the international communities is exporting raw resources and taking international aid. This is your Yemens, Syrias, Jordans, ect.
Essentially every stable country hates Iran, and every broken country works with Iran. This is because Iran has been funnelling tons of weapons, ammo, and military advisors into the hands of the absolute worst actors in basically every cobflict zone in the Middle East, including Hezbollah and Hamas, which is directly relevant to Israel. Iran is an enemy to stability and peace in the region. There is simply no other way to put it.
Iran has essentially been firing rockets into Israel for literal decades now. Think of all the Israeli deaths that Iran is directly responsible for over the years. If there was no Iran, there would be no massive Hamas terrorist attack. They would not have had the weapons and training necessary to embolden them so, and the likely explicit backing of Iran behind the scenes. While I fundamentally disagree with Israel's approach to Palestine, it is utterly absurd and hypocritical to look at this situation and say "Well, Israel should have just not provoked Iran!"
Your post, and my response, wasnt about military actions. Dont move the goal posts. Identify another NATO leader that murders their political rivals at the level Putin does.I already said that Putin was an evil POS. But is being evil is constricted to targeted political assassinations of ones enemies? Im arguing that NATO leaders are evil as well, because they authorized those military strikes against sovereign nations like Libya, resulting in the deaths of thousands of civilians. Heck, amnesty international even wrote a report about the whole debacle.
I agree with you that, Putin is a dictator that wants to take over the world is an ignorant take on the current conflict but your statement about him being the same as any other NATO leader is just as ignorant.
Great post. Good to see some common sense here on CE.
mods should lock these threadsNah, they should just fairly enforce the ToU and get rid of the people shitting it up.
Pretty sure I got modded for calling one of these guys a tankie and China shillThe mods will never do jack shit about these posters, but GOD FORBID if you call a spade a spade. Then they're so quick to act, you'd think they were special forces.
The mods will never do jack shit about these posters, but GOD FORBID if you call a spade a spade. Then they're so quick to act, you'd think they were special forces.Uh the tankies spend plenty of time in timeout generally
Nah, they should just fairly enforce the ToU and get rid of the people shitting it up.
But they've gotten a proud track record of not doing that, so...
The mods will never do jack shit about these posters, but GOD FORBID if you call a spade a spade. Then they're so quick to act, you'd think they were special forces.
Mate, you just came out of a suspension for shilling for Israel. You know what they say about glass houses?