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Shud i rent 4ever or shud i buy hous?
Umm it depends
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Different for everyone. Only you can decide.

We just bought a house and are super happy. But that was always our plan. Get married and then buy a house.
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bsp77 posted...
Different for everyone. Only you can decide.

We just bought a house and are super happy. But that was always our plan. Get married and then buy a house.
Do u wish u bot a hous sooner?
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Depends on the location. I would never buy a house in a highly congested area, too expensive. If its an hour outside a main city where prices are a bit more reasonable then buy all day, every day.
CervusCanadensi posted...
Do u wish u bot a hous sooner?
I had houses when I was previously married, and then I was not living with my now wife when interest rates were at their cheapest a few years back.

I find that agonizing over past decisions is pointless anyway. Things happened as they did, and you wouldn't be who you are today if the past was different.
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Ivany2008 posted...
Depends on the location. I would never buy a house in a highly congested area, too expensive. If its an hour outside a main city where prices are a bit more reasonable then buy all day, every day.
Would you commute >50 minutes each way to work, 4 days a week?
bsp77 posted...
I had houses when I was previously married, and then I was not living with my now wife when interest rates were at their cheapest a few years back.

I find that agonizing over past decisions is pointless anyway. Things happened as they did, and you wouldn't be who you are today if the past was different.
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Rent. A quote that has always stuck with me:

The rent bill is the most youll spend on your apartment, the mortgage bill is the least youll spend on your house.
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You do realise that for most people this isn't a choice?
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Rosstin316 posted...
Rent. A quote that has always stuck with me:

The rent bill is the most youll spend on your apartment, the mortgage bill is the least youll spend on your house.

It's not a very good quote at all. My wife and I are looking to potentially buy another place and to rent out this one we're currently in. The rent we'd get from our current home is about $1k per month more than the mortgage payments we make each month. Additionally yeah there's upkeep costs involved in a house but they're definitely less than mortgage costs. There's a reason why buying houses is such a lucrative investment.
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Rosstin316 posted...
Rent. A quote that has always stuck with me:

The rent bill is the most youll spend on your apartment, the mortgage bill is the least youll spend on your house.
Renting is setting your money on fire. Your quote only holds true if the house just goes all to shit and you have to replace everything, in which case it should have been super cheap as a fixer upper anyway.
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Really wish we could get to a point where rent vs but was more of a lifestyle choice rather than an investment choice
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How is renting setting my money on fire? I receive 1 months shelter for it. Plus if anything breaks its not my problem.
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Rosstin316 posted...
How is renting setting my money on fire? I receive 1 months shelter for it. Plus if anything breaks its not my problem.



The whole "setting your money on fire" term is so..bad imo.
You're literally paying for a service. If that's setting your money on fire, then so is going and seeing a movie or whatever
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Rosstin316 posted...
How is renting setting my money on fire? I receive 1 months shelter for it. Plus if anything breaks its not my problem.
Because you have literally nothing to show for it. It does absolutely nothing for you long term.

Ive spent probably $60K in rent over the years. What do I have to show for it now? Absolutely nothing.

If instead that had gone toward a house, Id have an asset worth six figures that I could leave to someone when I die, sell when I move, etc.

This is not a choice at all. Regular upkeep costs dont even amount to a fraction of the money you lose renting. Especially since a mortgage payment is usually much lower than rent anyway.
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Renting can be easier in a pinch but man I hated paying it each month. Back then it was eating up a whole paycheck.
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Rosstin316 posted...
How is renting setting my money on fire? I receive 1 months shelter for it. Plus if anything breaks its not my problem.

While I agree it's not setting your money on fire? You ARE paying somebody elses mortgage and upkeep costs as well as giving them some extra money each month in addition to that.
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Because you have literally nothing to show for it.

I have shelter to show for it.

It does absolutely nothing for you long term.

It keeps me sheltered long term.
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PraetorXyn posted...
Because you have literally nothing to show for it. It does absolutely nothing for you long term.
You had a shelter over your head and access to utilities. That's not "nothing".

I get what you're saying but I disagree. It's not nothing.
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Enclave posted...
While I agree it's not setting your money on fire? You ARE paying somebody elses mortgage and upkeep costs as well as giving them some extra money each month in addition to that.

The cost of my rent is locked in and agreed upon by me, which means im free to decide if the quality of the apartment justifies the cost of rent. And like I said, if anything breaks its not my problem. Something catastrophic is highly likely to cost more than the 1 month of rent im giving the landlord. And if they decide to jack up the rent next year to make up the cost of repairs, I can simply leave without needing to worry about selling the place.
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I also see renting as a bit of a 'cucked' experience because with a home the mortgage ultimately is going towards a goal of fully owning it. I feel like I'm wasting money renting since I know this is not a permanent home for me.
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emblem-man posted...
You had a shelter over your head and access to utilities. That's not "nothing".

I get what you're saying but I disagree. It's not nothing.
It is after you dont live there. It literally cant be anything else. Its just money thats gone, versus money paid toward an asset you take with you.
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We subsidize home ownership in a bad way in the US and it's financially beneficial to take advantage of that. In addition, there is a cultural aspect of it that's popular in society, plus some lifestyle benefits for some people. I think we should change some of that, but whatever. All of this is further exaggerated by our terrible land use policy that's led to a housing shortage and speculative housing appreciation.

BUT, renting is literally NOT setting your money on fire. It's the payment of a service, with some benefits and some negatives. The same as anything else.

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PraetorXyn posted...
It is after you dont live there. It literally cant be anything else. Its just money thats gone, versus money paid toward an asset you take with you.

If I rent that place for 30 years I received 30 years of shelter, why are possessions only valid if they can be sold or passed on to my children? Do you view paying for electricity as years of wasted money because you dont own stock in National Grid? No, because over that time you received electricity for as long as you needed it at that place.
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While buying does end up better financially in the long run, it's got its own downsides. Like maintenance and repairs, which can be serious headaches.
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Buying was better for me because I knew I was staying put in the area until retirement. My house is completely paid off and has been for awhile and Im just stockpiling money into investments now since I live so cheaply.

Meanwhile my house is accruing value over time. Buying was absolutely a better option for me. Been in my house 20 years now and I really like my house.
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Rosstin316 posted...
The cost of my rent is locked in and agreed upon by me, which means im free to decide if the quality of the apartment justifies the cost of rent. And like I said, if anything breaks its not my problem. Something catastrophic is highly likely to cost more than the 1 month of rent im giving the landlord. And if they decide to jack up the rent next year to make up the cost of repairs, I can simply leave without needing to worry about selling the place.

Yes, a large cost can indeed cost more than one months rent but that gets covered by the fact that each month the landlord should be taking aside a percentage of the rent and putting it in an account to manage upkeep of the property. If they are managing the rent income they're getting from you properly? It pretty much doesn't matter what goes wrong with the house they'll have money set aside from the rent you've been paying to pay for it.

Like I said, I'm not saying you're setting your money on fire but you ARE still paying those upkeep costs that you are claiming you're avoiding having to pay for, you just are paying them as part of your rent. When you rent you are in fact paying more money over time than the property owner is. You're paying extra for convenience but don't think that you're getting a discount because you're not, like I just said, you're paying extra for convenience and that's perfectly fine by the way, I won't look down on a renter at all but it is the reality of the situation.
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I bought my house just a few years ago and refinanced when the interests rates were like 2.5% My mortgage is now half of what rent usually goes by in this area, and my house is worth 200k more now than when I bought it.

It's a no brainer. Of course I get not everyone has that choice to make. Especially now with incredibly high interest rates and prices. We definitely got lucky we bought right before Covid.

PraetorXyn posted...
It is after you dont live there. It literally cant be anything else. Its just money thats gone, versus money paid toward an asset you take with you.
After you're done renting you stop paying rent since you're no longer being provided shelter.

I mean yes, a home and mortgage is essentially a forced savings account. Sure.

Like, I'm not trying to be pedantic about this. I just don't get why people don't see it as money paying for shelter, temporarily or not.

If we're talking strictly financial, it depends. I mean, we could discuss the value of money lost between saving up and paying for a down payment, versus investing that money into something for example.
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I want to be a bit clearer. Home ownership can be great from a lifestyle and financial decision. If you plan to be in an area long term and want the feeling of "putting down roots", and if you have the money for a down payment, mortgage, extra costs, home ownership is wonderful. Do it!. You're locking down a portion of you're housing costs for 30+ plus years. In my ideal world, there would be an abundant supply of housing that would then limit the amount of appreciation that house sees, but it will still increase and you can pass it on afterwards.

I just think the phrase "setting your money on fire" is wrong and hyperbolic and leads to renting having a negative connotation that shouldn't exist. Renting, like home ownership is a combination of a lifestyle and financial decision.

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You do get more flexibility when renting. If you think you might need to move to a new city for work or something in the near future it's certainly easier to just not renew your lease than it is to go through the process of selling your home.
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CervusCanadensi posted...
Would you commute >50 minutes each way to work, 4 days a week?

that's a trick question for me, as I work from home lol. I'll probably only work from home unless a really good job pops up that requires me to go into an office. I get to do all my work in a quiet environment with no distractions, and when I'm done, I can piss off and play games until my shift ends.
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Personally, I think there are financial and practical elements to both sides. As a result, you should buy a home because you truly want to, not because it is the "smart" thing to do.
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I'd rather own, but I can see why people would rather rent.

also, mortgages aren't the only loan you can get for buying a house. USDA also has rural development loans if you live in a rural area and rates are like 4% last I checked, no down payment either.
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I bought a house half a year before covid hit. One of the best financial decisions I ever made as I don't have to worry about rent hikes and my mortgage+escrow is affordable for my income level (~$1150/mo on $87k/yr salary). If I felt like my presence was more transient, I would probably have found another apartment to rent instead.
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emblem-man posted...
We subsidize home ownership in a bad way in the US and it's financially beneficial to take advantage of that. In addition, there is a cultural aspect of it that's popular in society, plus some lifestyle benefits for some people. I think we should change some of that, but whatever. All of this is further exaggerated by our terrible land use policy that's led to a housing shortage and speculative housing appreciation.

BUT, renting is literally NOT setting your money on fire. It's the payment of a service, with some benefits and some negatives. The same as anything else.
Right, renting is not setting your money on fire. It's paying someone else's mortgage instead.
BucketCat posted...
I'd rather own, but I can see why people would rather rent.

also, mortgages aren't the only loan you can get for buying a house. USDA also has rural development loans if you live in a rural area and rates are like 4% last I checked, no down payment either.
Mortgage is a pretty broad term that covers all of the various types of loans given to cover residential residency
CervusCanadensi posted...
Right, renting is not setting your money on fire. It's paying someone else's mortgage instead.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but yeah I guess. The same way buying my groceries is paying for the rent of the grocery store of the owners.
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I voted Rent since Taxes just double my mortgage payment. However that was the wrong vote, that can happen to you when you rent.
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cjsdowg posted...
I voted Rent since Taxes just double my mortgage payment. However that was the wrong vote, that can happen to you when you rent.
I saw your topic yesterday. Was the reason really due to property taxes?
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emblem-man posted...
saw your topic yesterday. Was the reason really due to property taxes?

That was the big reason. I applied for some stuff that they claimed can get the priced lower so I am just going to have to wait. I am thinking about moving. But I don't know who that would even work. Like I would move out to sticks were I know this won't happened again.
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