Is there a substantial group in the states that cares enough about this conflict to let it influence elections? That seems pretty strange to me.
It doesn't take an absolutely huge number of people in certain states to swing the vote one way or the other, this absolutely can cost Biden the election.Oh yeah forgot about that system. Cant believe some parties in Europe want to adopt it.
The types who consider Israel Genocidal fascist assholes aren't inclined to vote for either party to begin with.Those types would be 50% of Biden voters:
You're a known Trump supporter, are you not? Your words ring hollow. Especially when you're comfortable with the possibility of a man who OPENLY said he wants to be a dictator and quotes Hitler winning the election.
"What more can Trump do?" Start having American citizens who voted against him killed for starters. Ukraine is fucked as well under a Trump victory (We'll probably be helping Russia wipe them out).
There's a possibility, miniscule it may be, to convince Biden to call for a stop to this senseless murder. Trump will probably help bomb innocent citizens depending on how much he profits from it.
Where does Trump have hotels at again?
put American troops on the ground in Israel. re-enact the Muslim travel ban he already enacted when he was in office the first time. deport Muslim Americans or put them into concentration camps.
Anyone who's truly concerned about a second Trump presidency should join in on pressuring Biden to pivot on this matter.
Before casually threatening anti-genocide protestors with Trump concentration camps, you should really first prove that sending billions worth of bombs to Israel is actually necessary to prevent a Trump win.
Also no one is saying vote trump anyway. Not voting for genocide joe is the point of abandon biden, not re-electing trump. Sure that may be a potential consequence, but the objective of the movement is unrelated to that. The people behind it will be the first to suffer under trump, but they say its worth it to punish genocide support. Its a life or death issue, for obvious reasons.Those people are fucking stupid. Biden is less bad than Trump. There is no third option. Nothing else matters.
This year it is.
Those people are fucking stupid. Biden is less bad than Trump. There is no third option. Nothing else matters.
Everyone is going to fucking die if Trump wins and there will never be another election for the Democrats or anyone else to learn from.
I spit on the principles of these non-voters. Bunch of short-sighted, single-issue idiots voting off illogical premises. They have no more place participating in our democracy than Trump voters. Gonna kill tens to hundreds of millions of people and end a country because Joe Biden won't end America's 70+ years of funding genocide in Israel.
If Biden hurts Gaza and Trump hurts Gaza and America, and you know no other candidate has a path to victory, how do you not simply pick the option that kills the least people? You're saying death is inevitable, so damage mitigation should be the name of the game If you vote, you're responsible for the consequences, but not the consequences of you not voting? How does that logic work?
Good people with good principles don't get tired and say "Fuck it. Let's all die" because some people are dying. Not voting isn't a valiant protest. It's quitting.
Let me preface this by saying I really, really badly don't want Trump to win. However, I have to be honest with myself. Biden is going to get decimated in November. There's no real costing him the election since he already stood no chance.
He would likely lose more votes by not supporting Israel. The US is overwhelmingly biased toward Israel.Unfortunately this.
First they're not saying don't vote, they're gonna vote some non-genocidal candidate that would win if all the "we have to vote for biden..." people actually voted for, but that'll never happen so pointless to discuss.
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Let's just face it, both options are so bad, they kind of melt into each other.
I mean, you ARE essentially telling people not to vote/vote for Donnie. Your only 2 options in the presidential election are Biden or Donnie. That's it. No amount of wishful thinking is changing that no matter how hard people want to burying their head in the sand and pretend our political system isn't that way.I really wish Bernie wouldve won.
Let's face it. People who say this shit are fucking clueless.
I really wish Bernie wouldve won.
And I wish I had a billion dollars and a hot Asian wife.Having Bernie as president would feel similar to that.
Having Bernie as president would feel similar to that.
Dont get why people want the orange idiot to win. He literally said that he would help Israel finish the job.
It is on the people who don't want to fund a genocide, really ?Partially, yes.
Dont get why people want the orange idiot to win. He literally said that he would help Israel finish the job.
Nobody wants him to win. They just believe that it's a consequence worth risking to not let supporting a genocide go unpunished, and that this is a move that considers the long term, not the immediate short term (these next 4 years).
They also do not really see how much worse trump can make Gaza, it's clear the israeli objective is to kill as many people there as humanly possible, and then displace the rest. If that fails, to install some occupation force over them that will be conducting the genocide more slowly. Biden is willing to sign off on all of that. He is not willing to lift even half a finger to put any limiation whatsoever on israel.
So you have on one hand, guaranteed shittiness on biden's part, and then on the other hand, you have punishing biden, and a 99.9999% chance trump will be just as bad as biden.
You gain: 0.0001 % chance of trump not being as bad as biden on Gaza (under the logic that anything in the universe is technically possible), and more importantly, you establish the idea: support genocide, and you lose for it. The end.
So what kind of drugs are people smoking to think the orange idiot isnt going to be worse? He literally said he would help Israel finish the job. He is going to send US soldiers to assist. That is much much much worse.
They don't think he's not going to be worse. They just don't see how he can be worse, it's already as bad as it gets and getting worse. Israel is planning a 6 month long Al Shifa like operation where they kill and rape people in Rafah for 6 whole months in a seige, trying to force them into egypt.
Biden is going to sign off on that.
Now. No one is saying trump won't do the same. But you still gain the main idea: Biden supported genocide, he lost. Thus, supporting genocide has consequences. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.
The alternative is: Supporting genocide is perfectly fine. Have 4 more years of biden giving israel a blank check at the expense of the world, and literally not a single person did anything about it. At least just for optics, it looks better for him to lose anything for his actions.
Nobody wants him to win.
A_A_Battery posted... a move that considers the long term
And so people rather have US soldiers doing the kill eh.
Arent you the guy that celebrated the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, and was all excited that the western culture lost regardless of the more than obvious return of the atrocities of the Taliban against women?
Yeah, Im not surprised that youre campaigning for Trump.
I really wish Bernie wouldve won.
Something tells me Bernie would be a big Israel supporter too.
Aren't you the guy who just makes up positions for people he doesn't like then lies about it? Glad to see you haven't changed.Lol, so you deny it then?
Also you're right, the US should have stayed in Afghanistan bombing weddings. Was really serving US interests, that. Went towards student loan forgiveness, free healthcare, actual updates to infrastructure, the works. You know, just like the billions in aid to israel do, which no doubt you are in full support of.
Is there a substantial group in the states that cares enough about this conflict to let it influence elections? That seems pretty strange to me.
He is. He openly and clearly stated that Palestinians should not be allowed to vote in israel and be granted citizenship because then it would "cease to be a jewish state". Meaning, purely based on race, israel should be an apartheid ethnostate. He fully supports that and there is video of him stating it.His policies are at least far more progressive than Bidens.
Edit: Found it, starts at 7:50:
https://youtu.be/piWbS2bAvTY?feature=shared&t=470
His policies are at least far more progressive than Bidens.
If it does, I'll never forgive Israel.
Imagine us losing our democracy because some shitheads across the planet kept electing far right assholes.
If he can make it on the ballot, those who refuse to vote for biden can vote for him instead.