Finished the prologue part of, so the first twenty minutes or so.
Action is gorgeous .
Less enthused about the changes they've made so far, weakens Aang's story a little, but not egregiously so.
What changes did they make to the prologue?
How much does this series cover?Season one.
Hows the first episode? Ill be watching it tonight.It's alright. Pretty negatively heavy on the exposition, but it's not bad. The highlights so far are the action and Ian Ousley as Sokka.
Thats a pretty bad change tbh. Aang running away and dealing with the consequences of that are a huge part of his character.Aang learns he's the avatar the night of the comet, so his friends don't really shun him for it. He doesn't run away because he's being separated from Gyatso, he just goes for a flight to clear his head a bit and gets caught in a storm while his people are slaughtered.
Season one.
My only real complaint so far is that Katara is like the Ember Island version of the character. She has absolutely no bite, she's basically just motivational speeches.
Thats a pretty bad change tbh. Aang running away and dealing with the consequences of that are a huge part of his character.
Chuds can calm down about Sokka lol. It lasted for all of, what, 3 or 4 episodes in Book 1?Has Chud just morphed into "people I disagree with" now?
Has Chud just morphed into "people I disagree with" now?
Sounds like a poor change.Aang learns he's the avatar the night of the comet, so his friends don't really shun him for it. He doesn't run away because he's being separated from Gyatso, he just goes for a flight to clear his head a bit and gets caught in a storm while his people are slaughtered.
Has Chud just morphed into "people I disagree with" now?Took you this long to realize that?
My best guess is the dude thinks people hated Sokka's sexism being removed because...we all thought Sokka was being his best self when he was putting those icky uppity girls in their place? Other than that, yeah, 'chud' was completely meaningless in that post apart from trolling.
Thats a pretty bad change tbh. Aang running away and dealing with the consequences of that are a huge part of his character.It wasn't changed and it is something he's dealing with in the series. He didn't just leave to clear his head. He was upset he had to leave his friends.
Sokkas sexism, on the other hand, effectively vanishes after their run in with the Kyoshi Warriors.
It wasn't changed and it is something he's dealing with in the series. He didn't just leave to clear his head. He was upset he had to leave his friends.thats still vastly different in a bad way in my opinion. He was upset but wasnt ever intending to run in this version.
thats still vastly different in a bad way in my opinion. He was upset but wasnt ever intending to run in this version.It pretty much plays out the same way here. Like I said, there's not a lot of change. Major plot points and characterization is still all there.
In the original he was straight up running away from it all. He was knowingly abandoning his role as a protector of the world because he couldnt handle the responsibility. Much prefer the original version in this respect.
It pretty much plays out the same way here. Like I said, there's not a lot of change. Major plot points and characterization is still all there.
Like I've explained many times in previous topics, that...is...the...point . It's a subversion of the usual sexist male character trope who's slow to learn and adapt; in any other show it would've taken a character like that an entire season to finally throw out a begrudged "y'know what, you gals are alright." The fact that Sokka quickly 'gets over it' by admitting the error of his ways and learning from it shows the viewer early-on that, in spite of being overtly labeled as the sarcastic comedic punching bag of the group, deep-down Sokka is uniquely bright, humble, and thoughtful.
Sokka is one of my favorite characters in popular fiction, to the point where I will immediately respond positively to characters in other stories who exhibit similar traits (Steve Harrington from Stranger Things immediately springs to mind). So my personal enjoyment of the Netflix adaptation hinges upon whether or not they get these characters right, Sokka in particular.
Now there's one of two ways the writers could approach this change. They could contrive some alternate backwards-thinking trope for Sokka to subvert early-on and display his intelligence and good nature in equal measure. Or, they could approach it with your mentality, handwave it as 'eh, it's not that important, no one will miss it,' and the show will end up falling flat as a result; not because of that one alteration in particular, but because they inevitably approach more and more little character-building nuances as being irrelevant.
On an unrelated note,That's a plot hole never addressed in the series or the cartoon. Another is, had they actually killed the Avatar, he'd just reincarnate as a Water Bender and they'd have the same issue.how did the fire nation know that the Avatar was still alive? Did they have any reason to believe that Aang wasn't among the children left at the Air Temple?
That's a plot hole never addressed in the series or the cartoon. Another is, had they actually killed the Avatar, he'd just reincarnate as a Water Bender and they'd have the same issue.This isn't true. When no Air nomad Avatar appears, it would be pretty safe to assume they were killed in the genocide. The Fire Nation explicitly seeks out and captures waterbenders from the Southern Water Tribe (they can't get to the North), almost certainly in an effort to prevent a Water Tribe Avatar.
This isn't true. When no Air nomad Avatar appears, it would be pretty safe to assume they were killed in the genocide. The Fire Nation explicitly seeks out and captures waterbenders from the Southern Water Tribe (they can't get to the North), almost certainly in an effort to prevent a Water Tribe Avatar.But they didn't eliminate the Southern Water Tribe like they did the Air nomads. In fact, they didn't even attack for 100 years. They also didn't kill every Earth bender.
Ozai sends Zuko to find the avatar the same way you'd send somebody to buy headlight fluid. It's his way of getting rid of his unwanted heir and the only one who doesn't know it is Zuko.
But they didn't eliminate the Southern Water Tribe like they did the Air nomads. In fact, they didn't even attack for 100 years. They also didn't kill every Earth bender.But they did wipe out all of the water benders (they thought) and the avatar would obviously be a bender. They couldn't be that selective with the Air Nomads because all Air Nomads are benders.
But they didn't eliminate the Southern Water Tribe like they did the Air nomads. In fact, they didn't even attack for 100 years. They also didn't kill every Earth bender.
But they did wipe out all of the water benders (they thought) and the avatar would obviously be a bender. They couldn't be that selective with the Air Nomads because all Air Nomads are benders.And they waited 100 years to do so. Which doesn't make sense if they thought the Air Avatar was dead. Sozin should have immediately attacked the Water tribes but they basically waited to allow the Water Avatar to come of age? It's a hole.
Sozin never believed they'd actually succeeded, so his reign would have been focused on finding the last airbender, not seeking the Water Tribe avatar.Why wouldn't he think they succeeded? And then why would Ozai assume they did succeed when no other Avatar showed up? If the had killed the Air Avatar then the Water Avatar would be old as hell. Why kill the younger water benders? Again, it doesn't hold up.
The raids against the Southern Water Tribe did not start a hundred years after the genocide. We know from Hama that they started "over sixty years ago," which would put them at 40AG at the latest.Even then that's a long time to wait to even attempt to kill an enemy you believe will completely upend your plans.
And I feel like you didn't think your thought about the earth benders through because a major plot point in the show is that the Fire Nation have been in a century-long stalemate against the Earth Kingdom.No, I'm taking that into account because that stalemate still enabled the Earth Avatar enough time to gain power. My main point is the attack on the Air Temple wouldn't have actually solved the Avatar issue.
And they waited 100 years to do so. Which doesn't make sense if they thought the Air Avatar was dead. Sozin should have immediately attacked the Water tribes but they basically waited to allow the Water Avatar to come of age? It's a hole.Firstly, you don't know what a plot hole is. A character making a mistake is not a plot hole. Secondly,
And then why would Ozai assume they did succeed when no other Avatar showed up? If the had killed the Air Avatar then the Water Avatar would be old as hell. Why kill the younger water benders? Again, it doesn't hold up.Ozai, like the rest of the world, assumed they succeeded because there was no avatar for literally a hundred years. Ozai did not order the raids on the Southern Water Tribe, that was his father.
Even then that's a long time to wait to even attempt to kill an enemy you believe will completely upend your plans.Sozin died in 20AG, the raids started at most twenty years later. Accounting for the coronation, other military actions, continuing his father's search for the last airbender for a while, and the fact that their fastest form of communication is a bird, I think it's reasonable that it took that long to implement a new military strategy.
No, I'm taking that into account because that stalemate still enabled the Earth Avatar enough time to gain power. My main point is the attack on the Air Temple wouldn't have actually solved the Avatar issue.Aang is an extreme outlier. Most avatars learn what they are when they're sixteen and then it takes years of training to master all four elements. It took Korra thirteen years to master earth, air, and fire.
Firstly, you don't know what a plot hole is. A character making a mistake is not a plot hole. Secondly, Sozin's best friend was the previous avatar. He probably clued in to the fact they didn't get him when there was no apocalyptic demigod suddenly rampaging across his forces when the Avatar State kicked in.I'm well aware of what a "plot hole" is and this qualifies. This was not a mistake, it's the entire premise of the show and treated as though it makes sense when it actually doesn't. And you're making a lot of assumptions to fill it.
Sozin died in 20AG, the raids started at most twenty years later. Accounting for the coronation, other military actions, continuing his father's search for the last airbender for a while, and the fact that their fastest form of communication is a bird, I think it's reasonable that it took that long to implement a new military strategy.Their mode of communication never impeded them in the series. You're overthinking it. The fact is it wasn't fully thought out when they wrote the show and that's fine. It's still a plot hole.
Aang is an extreme outlier. Most avatars learn what they are when they're sixteen and then it takes years of training to master all four elements. It took Korra thirteen years to master earth, air, and fire.And once those 30 years are up, they're screwed so what would be the point? It's treated in the show like wiping out the Air nomads is the end all he all of the plan and would allow them total victory when, in reality, it wouldn't really change much.
So even if Aang had been killed, the Water Tribe avatar had been born, and they'd managed to master them in secret, that still gives the Fire Nation about thirty years to freely swing their dick around. And they'd be down airbending, so they wouldn't even be at full power.
I'm well aware of what a "plot hole" is and this qualifies.I don't think there's any point in continuing this discussion because, my man, even if you were correct about everything, it still wouldn't be a plot hole. The show itself paints Sozin's search for the last airbender as unhealthily obsessive. You disagreeing with the military tactics of the Fire Nation is not a plot hole.
It's treated in the show like wiping out the Air nomads is the end all he all of the plan and would allow them total victory when, in reality, it wouldn't really change much.
How is it treated as the "end all be all" of the plan when the very start of the series clearly shows it lead into a century of war?I mean as far as ending the threat of the Avatar from the Fire Nation's POV. When it really wouldn't have done anything even had they succeeded in killing the Air Avatar.
My only gripe is that the water bending without ice looks sooo weak.This is true though. Katara just looks like she's splashing them. It's probably tough to do well in live action, but I think the only thing they'd really have to do is cut back on the splashing. Like when she water whips someone, don't have it just immediately disperse into a cloud of water, have it keep its shape.