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Patchwork posted...
Just to be clear here, youre labeling the governments of 26 states as traitors for assisting Texas in shoring up one common illegal entry point along the border, correct?

And youve just, in no uncertain terms, said youd kill other Americans over that?

Thats unhinged.
Border patrol already has that part of the border under control. They apprehend people who try to cross that area all the time. Adding razor wire makes border patrol's job harder. And gets in the way of their jurisdiction. Texas never had the right to do that.

No it's not something liberals would go to war over. But it seems to be something conservatives are threatening to leave over.
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It's just grandstanding, and everyone knows it. Texas with 370 armed law enforcement officers were too pussy to stop one school shooter.
Rexdragon125 posted...
It's just grandstanding, and everyone knows it. Texas with 370 armed law enforcement officers were too pussy to stop one school shooter.
Good point.
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Kradek posted...
Oh wait, are you the guy who posted in the recent thread "if the federal government would secure the border then the states wouldn't have to", and multiple people pointed out that the border is secured, to which you responded to nobody?

Probably, I dont always go back to read what people say in topics.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/09/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/

This is 2021 data, so bear that in mind as we go here.

1,659,206 encounters by BP at the southwestern border in 2021, the highest ever on record at that time. In the statistics represented, encounters are expulsions and apprehensions, I.e. illegal crossings.

27% were repeat offenders at all US borders. So, if we even just apply that 27% of the individuals encountered solely on the southern border and that none of the migrants encountered at any other entry point, weve got 447,985 repeat crossers (that have been expelled prior).

Thats 1,211,221 new individuals.

Thats considerable. The same chart states that 97% of all encounters are at the southern border.

So, its fair to say Texas and other southwestern states have the largest stake in how migrants are handled.

If we look at the second table, the trend is rising that people from other countries than Mexico are comprising more and more of these illegal encounters. Thats troubling for multiple reasons, and is an even larger problem today given that the makeup for migrants in 2023 seems to continue that trend. Nations unfriendly to the US will utilize a porous border.

Moving forward, its important to note that these were people actually contacted by BP. This does not account for those they could not apprehend, which Im sure is also a large number.

Look at the drug industry; we interdict thousands of pounds of narcotics at the border and ports, and yet there are drugs in every street corner in every town in America.

Its highly likely that illegal migration would largely be undetected due to the staffing of BP, the sheer size of the border, and the lack of physical barriers to deter crossings in many areas.

https://www.cbp.gov/frontline/border-crisis-cbp-s-response

Article: Border Crisis

In FY 2019, Border Patrol estimated 150,000 undocumented migrants had evaded capture into border communities.

In that same article, the BP estimated that it diverted up to 60% of personnel in certain areas to care for families of migrants, reducing security on the border.

They also note that, due to not being able to keep up with the sheer wave of migrants, many people were just released into the US with a summons to
appear later (years in the future, apparently) for claims that were likely not valid.

This type of policy has led smugglers to facilitate more migration.

Thats not secure; thats an overwhelmed, ill-equipped system that is failing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna130781

Migrants are being released to the streets by BP even after apprehension at what appears to be an incredible rate. Thousands released into the US with a summons. This echoes the same issue as the CBP article from FY 2019.

Point being: it is not secure, and theres no legitimate reason not to address something thats been an issue for years. Moreover, theres no reason to not allow Texas to secure their section.



The point here is that the USSC has ruled that the federal government has final authority on the national border and that Abbott must take down the razor wire buoys as a result. Abbott's response to that was to basically say "fuck you, I do what I want", and a bunch of other shithole states led by Republicans which don't even share a border on the South agreed with "fuck ya we'll do what we want".

I think, by the metrics above, the federal government (not just Biden; this was an issue before him) has failed border states. It is the federal governments job to secure national borders. They havent.



And keep in mind that it's these treasonous sacks of shit threatening to use the state national guard in order to prevent federal authorities from exercising their rightful duties, as they did recently where a mother and her 2 children drowned because TX authorities physically refused to allow federal authorities to assist them.

The drownings had already occurred by the time the TX NG was made aware of an incident by BP.

Stop framing it this way.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/3-migrants-drown-near-shelby-park-eagle-pass-texas-soldiers-denied-entry-federal-border-agents/



When the Confederates lost the Civil War they largely weren't even punished on an individual level, they were told to take their guns and go home. As a result they erected racist memorabilia to intimidate black people in the South 80-100 years later and constantly cry about the "lost cause" and "THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!"

Youre right, that Confederates werent punished to the extent that most would have liked. The President gave reasons for this at the time, and Ill defer to his judgment since he orchestrated the war to put the Confederacy down and it seems to have worked fine for the last nearly 200 years as the US became the wealthiest and most powerful nation on the planet.



If these Christo-fascists want to be the New Confederacy, then I sure as shit hope that our federal government learned the lesson that taking it easy on them and being overly forgiving was the wrong route with the original Confederacy.

Shouting that people bucking federal authority are fascists is a take, I guess, but go off bud.



And then of course we have the 14bn proposed border deal from the Dems that Republicans are refusing because they don't want Biden/Dems to have a victory during election year, with Trump telling them not to negotiate, demonstrating that they don't even think it's an actual dire issue, it's just useful to motivate their shit-for-brains base into frothing at the mouth due to their rabid bigotry.

Here, we agree. They should be working to get the deal done to fund more security at the border. And people should stop giving a shit which party presents the idea; secure the border, worry about Americans over party.



Abbott is trying to disregard federal authority for his own political purposes. That's a flagrant violation of the Cons. which likely constitutes as treasonous that you are dismissing because of "OpEn BoRdEr" conspiracies and propaganda.

It isnt a conspiracy to say that the border is unsecure and is a national security concern. CBP themselves believe it to be a crisis, and they also vocally have supported TX in this on multiple occasions.

This isnt even remotely treason, by the US own codification.

Treason is a 2-pronged crime to prove.

  1. The entity (typically, the person) owes allegiance to the U.S. (check)
AND

The entity betrays that allegiance by either:

  1. Levying war against the government (negative)
  2. Giving aid or comfort to the U.S. enemies (negative)


Mere disregard of a SCOTUS ruling isnt treason.

Stop asking for war.

A civil war in this country in the modern age will be the ugliest conflict of our time. Anyone who aligns with the military against the people will always have to worry that, while theyre marching on American cities, their families arent being executed and uploaded to YouTube.
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Patchwork posted...
Shouting that people bucking federal authority are fascists is a take, I guess, but go off bud.

I'm glad I skimmed through to this part before responding.

Abbott is 100% a Christo-fascist in everything he says and does. It's just his state of being, but you've demonstrated with this that you're not willing to address these people for who they really are, so you'll never see logic on this. How anybody could know the things he's done to TX and says he's not a fascist isn't dealing with facts.

Disregarding the federal government's authority and the Cons to feed right-wing bigotry and hatred, physically stopping federal authorities from their duty and saving drowning people for politics is 100% fascist, yeah.

Fucking right-wingers lol.
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