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I want a new car, have had the same two for like 7 and 10 years respectively, they've been paid off forever. All the decent looking EVs are like 45k starting, even if I put down 20k and trade in a car I'm still looking at like 500 a month payments wtf. Do people just go into massive debt for these things?
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That's cheap as fuck. Sounds like you can't afford it.
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Lower your budget and expectations if you cant afford $500/mo on a car. For example, consider the Chevy Bolt 1LT at around $29k (before $7.5k federal tax credit); if you cant do that, then consider a used EV, like a 2015 Nissan Leaf for like $12k (before $4k federal tax credit).
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MarcoRubio posted...
That's cheap as fuck. Sounds like you can't afford it.

500 a month is pretty tight and idk why people think it's not.

The most I've ever paid per month is 440 and while more than doable still made me step back and really consider my spending.
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500 a month is what a lot of people paid in gas before the EV
IdiotMachine posted...
Lower your budget and expectations if you cant afford $500/mo on a car. For example, consider the Chevy Bolt 1LT at around $29k (before $7.5k federal tax credit); if you cant do that, then consider a used EV, like a 2015 Nissan Leaf for like $12k (before $4k federal tax credit).

Most used EVs are crap, no offense, because they came out before the technology started to really take off.
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IdiotMachine posted...
Lower your budget and expectations if you cant afford $500/mo on a car. For example, consider the Chevy Bolt 1LT at around $29k (before $7.5k federal tax credit); if you cant do that, then consider a used EV, like a 2015 Nissan Leaf for like $12k (before $4k federal tax credit).
As a last resort, consider extending your loan term from the standard 36 months to 48 or 60 months; dont go over 60 months, no matter what your dealer says.

If you still cant afford it, keep your older vehicle, until youre better financially set. Dont forget that your car insurance rate will definitely go up with a new car.
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WTGHookshot posted...
Most used EVs are crap, no offense, because they came out before the technology started to really take off.
I mean youre buying a $8k car (after tax incentives); of course its going to be crap.
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Never really researched electric cars, do they hold value or are they just useless after some years?
And how's the maintenance? Is it still cheap until something breaks and then you're completely fucked?
Cemith posted...
500 a month is pretty tight and idk why people think it's not.

The most I've ever paid per month is 440 and while more than doable still made me step back and really consider my spending.
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UndefeatedGOAT posted...
500 a month is what a lot of people paid in gas before the EV

I have to ask why they were spending that much per month on gas. All of my vehicles (none of which have been hybrids or EVs) have at most usually been like $200 a month in gas, even during the highest gas prices we've seen. Spending that much on gas tells me these people are on-the-go much more than they should be and weren't planning their days/routes very well (and/or were using absolutely gas-guzzling machines, which usually come with a higher price tag as well besides the gas).
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GunmaN1905 posted...
Never really researched electric cars, do they hold value or are they just useless after some years?
And how's the maintenance? Is it still cheap until something breaks and then you're completely fucked?
Ive owned two EVs and sold both of them for a huge net profit due to market conditions and the federal tax credits (i.e., it was luck). I now own a plug-in hybrid, which, imo, is the best of both worlds.

EV-specific maintenance on both my EVs Ive owned was literally the dealer plugging in their computer and running a diagnostic, then charging me $80 for it. This was required to keep the warranty. No oil changes or anything like that.
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WTGHookshot posted...
I have to ask why they were spending that much per month on gas. All of my vehicles (none of which have been hybrids or EVs) have at most usually been like $200 a month in gas, even during the highest gas prices we've seen. Spending that much on gas tells me these people are on-the-go much more than they should be and weren't planning their days/routes very well (and/or were using absolutely gas-guzzling machines, which usually come with a higher price tag as well besides the gas).

give me a break man, idfk

Idk who you are to say where ppl should and shouldnt be going. Housing is so expensice in the cities some ppl have to move farther out, and commute farther, some ppl might go camping,

please please please I am nothere to think of every reason someone might drive, just so you can think your are refuting them because you watched a couple vox videos
Cemith posted...
500 a month is pretty tight and idk why people think it's not.



Because everyone here is a doctor, lawyer, IT expert, etc. who makes six figures a year.
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Where I live I pay maybe $100 in gas between both cars since everything is pretty close and I don't need to drive that much
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As long as you buy one that won't be recalled think of it as an investment.

So don't get a Tesla.
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UndefeatedGOAT posted...


give me a break man, idfk

Idk who you are to say where ppl should and shouldnt be going. Housing is so expensice in the cities some ppl have to move farther out, and commute farther, some ppl might go camping,

please please please I am nothere to think of every reason someone might drive, just so you can think your are refuting them because you watched a couple vox videos

Those just tell me they are going to be spending a ton of money regardless, whether they are buying an EV or whatever, because of their personal life choices.
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Unless you are only financing for 2-3 years, your payment on a 25K car is NOT $500.

C'mon...make this believable at least.
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Your cars are paid off. Whats wrong with them thats making you want to go get a payment?
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IdiotMachine posted...
Ive owned two EVs and sold both of them for a huge net profit due to market conditions and the federal tax credits (i.e., it was luck). I now own a plug-in hybrid, which, imo, is the best of both worlds.

Yeah, I'd definitely rather go the hybrid route.

No oil changes or anything like that.

Obviously, lmao.
I was just thinking about all the electronics and batteries stuff. You don't want one of those cars that just fall apart after warranty ends.

Sandalorn posted...
Unless you are only financing for 2-3 years, your payment on a 25K car is NOT $500.

C'mon...make this believable at least.
Try some calculators out for yourself if you don't believe me.

littlebro07 posted...
Your cars are paid off. Whats wrong with them thats making you want to go get a payment?
Nothing wrong with them, they're just old and I have an itch to try something new.
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GunmaN1905 posted...
Yeah, I'd definitely rather go the hybrid route.

I love my hybrid. I pay half the gas cost than I did for my Terrain and get the same mileage per tank.
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Hexenherz posted...
Try some calculators out for yourself if you don't believe me.


Since I have been looking to buy myself...I have. Any financing 5 years or more puts you in the $300-$350 range. You tried to exaggerate and got caught. Deal with it.
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TheGoldenEel posted...
All cars are insanely expensive rn
This. Dealers be adding 10k markups so even a civic costs 40k.
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Cemith posted...
I love my hybrid. I pay half the gas cost than I did for my Terrain and get the same mileage per tank.

I work from home and don't really need my car that much, but I'll definitely go for a hybrid when I get a new car.

Gas prices in EU are ridiculous compared to the US.
Around $8-8.5 per gallon.

Hexenherz posted...
Try some calculators out for yourself if you don't believe me.

Sandalorn posted...
Since I have been looking to buy myself...I have. Any financing 5 years or more on a 25K car puts you in the $300-$350 range if not lower. You tried to exaggerate and got caught. Deal with it.
I mean... it's pretty easy: $25,000 / $500 per month = 50 months, assuming no interest at all. So the OP is probably already looking at a 60 month loan with interest, since car loans now are pretty high and are no longer 0% / free.
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Sandalorn posted...


Since I have been looking to buy myself...I have. Any financing 5 years or more on a 25K car puts you in the $300-$350 range if not lower. You tried to exaggerate and got caught. Deal with it.

Would you mind posting the rates you've been going off of and what corresponding credit scores? After all, those are important factors in the financing.

I don't disagree with you that TC was most likely exaggerating, but if we are going to be empirical about things, might as well go all the way and mention what both of you were using as assumptions.
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$500 / mo buys a lot of bus tickets.
Now or never.
creativerealms posted...
As long as you buy one that won't be recalled think of it as an investment.

So don't get a Tesla.
GM recalls entire EV lineup for 2 years and warns not to park near buildings bc they explode. We sleep.

Ford recalls half Mach-Es because the cheap wiring overheats and stops steering. Halts Lightning production for months for similar issues. We sleep.

Tesla adds more silly beep sounds in a routine software update you do from home. 750 billion trillion Teslas recalled for the 3rd time this week!! *airhorn*
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Also you know a lot of replacement batteries for these EVs are like $40,000-$60,000+? Insane.

https://youtu.be/dr3mFzh0KSk

Batteries don't last forever.. just ask any laptop.

Everyone is buying into these but also relying on future tech for better batteries that doesn't exist yet.
Now or never.
WTGHookshot posted...
Would you mind posting the rates you've been going off of and what corresponding credit scores? After all, those are important factors in the financing.

I don't disagree with you that TC was most likely exaggerating, but if we are going to be empirical about things, might as well go all the way and mention what both of you were using as assumptions.
I don't know why you even need Sandalorn to provide you numbers, because what he's saying is completely false. $300 * 60 = $18k, $350 * 60 = $21k. Both of these numbers are not $25k.
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Sandalorn posted...
Since I have been looking to buy myself...I have. Any financing 5 years or more on a 25K car puts you in the $300-$350 range if not lower. You tried to exaggerate and got caught. Deal with it.
I didn't get caught at all, I can show you exactly what I'm looking at and that's even with a 3.9% interest rate with an absurdly long pay off length.
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Sandalorn posted...
Since I have been looking to buy myself...I have. Any financing 5 years or more on a 25K car puts you in the $300-$350 range if not lower. You tried to exaggerate and got caught. Deal with it.
$350 * 60 = $21,000

$25,000 / 60 = $416.67. With taxes, other fees, and an APR of more than 0, that easily creeps into the high 400s.
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That calculation was a few thousand higher than I originally reported, but the rate remains the same, it's still very high.

The only thing that is not clear from many of the dealership websites is whether they factor the $7,500 EV rebate into the MSRP or not, obviously that also changes the math a bit.
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I'm sure there are some people that are putting themselves in debt, but that's reasonably affordable for middle class families. You don't need to be a top 1%er to afford that.

WTGHookshot posted...
I have to ask why they were spending that much per month on gas. All of my vehicles (none of which have been hybrids or EVs) have at most usually been like $200 a month in gas, even during the highest gas prices we've seen. Spending that much on gas tells me these people are on-the-go much more than they should be and weren't planning their days/routes very well (and/or were using absolutely gas-guzzling machines, which usually come with a higher price tag as well besides the gas).
I can believe it. When gas prices were high, I was spending close to $80 a week on gas and my car is a Honda Accord that gets 28mpg on average in the city. Someone that commutes using an SUV or Pickup could absolutely hit $500 a month out here.
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Hexenherz posted...
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That calculation was a few thousand higher than I originally reported, but the rate remains the same, it's still very high.

The only thing that is not clear from many of the dealership websites is whether they factor the $7,500 EV rebate into the MSRP or not, obviously that also changes the math a bit.
84 months?! Bro, no. Don't do that.
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shironinja posted...
Also you know a lot of replacement batteries for these EVs are like $40,000-$60,000+? Insane.

https://youtu.be/dr3mFzh0KSk

Batteries don't last forever.. just ask any laptop.

Everyone is buying into these but also relying on future tech for better batteries that doesn't exist yet.

Yeah Im very hesitant to go for a fully electric vehicle anytime soon. Rather go for a hybrid, at least that tech has been around for like 20 years .

Though I plan to keep my 2014 Mazda3 until it literally falls apart.
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Hexenherz posted...
I didn't get caught at all, I can show you exactly what I'm looking at and that's even with a 3.9% interest rate with an absurdly long pay off length.


I apologize my man. I must have been looking at longer times (72 months or longer). Either way, there was no need for me to be such an ass about it. I mean...math is math. Once again...totally apologize.
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IdiotMachine posted...
84 months?! Bro, no. Don't do that.
lmao yeah of course I'm not going to do 84 months, but of course if I shrink the term the payments get worse.
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NoxObscuras posted...
I can believe it. When gas prices were high, I was spending close to $80 a week on gas and my car is a Honda Accord that gets 28mpg on average in the city. Someone that commutes using an SUV or Pickup could absolutely hit $500 a month out here.

Mind me asking where you live?

Also, why $80 a week? Let's say gas was $5 per gallon when gas prices were high. At 28 mpg on average, you would have had to have been driving 448 miles every single week to spend $80 in gas a week. That's a lot of miles. That's pretty much a round trip of NYC to Washington, DC. Even if we bump it up to $10 per gallon, at 28 mpg, that's still 224 miles a week. That just seems like an excessive amount of driving per week, from my perspective, and is more of a lifestyle choice, I believe.
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Cemith posted...
500 a month is pretty tight and idk why people think it's not.

The most I've ever paid per month is 440 and while more than doable still made me step back and really consider my spending.

For 60$ more this person also doesn't have to worry about gas.

I'd say most people easily spend at least $60 in gas a month if they regularly commute to work.

Also, a point I recently heard someone make, is that gasoline weighs the car down, causing the overall vehicle weight to be heavier. It's 6.073 pounds per gallon so even a 10 gallon tank is adding 60lbs to your vehicle on a full tank.
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WTGHookshot posted...
Mind me asking where you live?

Also, why $80 a week? Let's say gas was $5 per gallon when gas prices were high. At 28 mpg on average, you would have had to have been driving 448 miles every single week to spend $80 in gas a week. That's a lot of miles. That's pretty much a round trip of NYC to Washington, DC. Even if we bump it up to $10 per gallon, at 28 mpg, that's still 224 miles a week. That just seems like an excessive amount of driving per week, from my perspective, and is more of a lifestyle choice, I believe.
I live in Los Angeles, so our peak was a little over $6 per gallon. My commute to work was about 170-180 miles per week, plus another 5-10 miles per day going to lunch. So let's average that and say 212 miles per week. I was also going out on multiple dates per week, and I tried to be open minded about distance, so that added a lot of miles some weeks. The furthest date I had was about 112 miles there and back. Another one was about 80 miles round trip.

I'm not saying I hit $80 constantly, but I definitely reached that a few times. It's much lower now though. My girlfriend lives 23 miles away and sometimes she drives, sometimes I drive.
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NoxObscuras posted...

I live in Los Angeles, so our peak was a little over $6 per gallon. My commute to work was about 170-180 miles per week, plus another 5-10 miles per day going to lunch. So let's average that and say 212 miles per week. I was also going out on multiple dates per week, and I tried to be open minded about distance, so that added a lot of miles some weeks. The furthest date I had was about 112 miles there and back. Another one was about 80 miles round trip.

I'm not saying I hit $80 constantly, but I definitely reached that a few times. It's much lower now though. My girlfriend lives 23 miles away and sometimes she drives, sometimes I drive.

So, like I said, that was a lifestyle choice then, which led to you driving as much as you did compared to others.
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the $7500 tax credit helps I'm sure
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High income plus tax credit makes it easy as hell.

Tesla model 3 brand new can be bought for 36-37k. After taxes and fees and tax credit in some states you can make the total under 30k.

Considering gas savings, that 30k car now will feel like a 15k gas car.

This is why higher income people that are good with finances love EVs.
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