In The Last Jedi, did Luke try to kill *spoilers*

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Ben?

Do you believe that he would have killed Ben/Kylo Ren if the latter hadn't woken up in time to stop Luke?

Would you say that Luke sincerely attempted to murder his nephew?
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Of course. This is the same Luke that upon hearing of the new Empire decided "Eh maybe they should rule the galaxy"
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havean776 posted...
Of course.
You really believe he would have actually murdered Ben based on the information in the movie?
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That was the whole point, yes.
Let's all please just get along.
it's been a while since I've seen it, but I think it was more of a knee jerk kind of thing, and that he wouldn't have gone through with it.

but he himself knew how tempting it was to go to the Dark Side, and his dad was one of the most infamous Sith, so I could be wrong.
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Its been awhile since Ive seen it, but didnt Luke power up his lightsaber in that scene? I mean, how else can you interpret that?
If he had made a serious attempt, Ben would have died right there.
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I mean, when Rey confronts him on it in the film he admits exactly what happened.

He saw that Snoke had already poisoned Ben against him and that Ben would destroy everything and kill everyone he loved and in a moment of weakness he considered killing him to prevent that, but he immediately changed his mind and felt ashamed for even considering it.

He considered killing him briefly, but never actually tried to.
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He didn't. It's just the detractors trying to misrepresent that scene.

He had a brief moment where, out of fear, he considered it and reflexively ignited his lightsaber but ultimately didn't go through with it. An "attempt" would have been if he tried to do it, but failed.

Of course, Ben thought it was an actual attempt because the only thing he saw when he woke up was his uncle with his lightsaber ready.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
He didn't. It's just the detractors trying to misrepresent that scene.
Exactly. I just wanted to make a poll to see how many people are still misunderstanding the scene. I've found that it helps if people put more than thirty seconds of thought into it.
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everything about luke in the sequels was a complete joke
including his motivations

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He seriously considered it briefly, but then came to his senses before ever making an attempt.
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That is the worst thing out of the new trilogy . People whine about other shit but it's really that
boxoto posted...
it's been a while since I've seen it, but I think it was more of a knee jerk kind of thing, and that he wouldn't have gone through with it.

but he himself knew how tempting it was to go to the Dark Side, and his dad was one of the most infamous Sith, so I could be wrong.

This. Luke spends the entire OT being pretty reckless and making very knee-jerk decisions, and one of the most important parts in the entire series is when Luke cuts off Vader's hand and has a come to Jesus moment.

And having such a momentary lapse in judgement there leading to basically inventing a super-villain is a pretty good justification for Luke's entire characterization in TLJ.
Zikten posted...
That is the worst thing out of the new trilogy . People whine about other shit but it's really that
What, the fact that people misunderstood the scene? It's definitely one of the most cited things that people hate about it, but even in this poll six years later, 32% of respondents straight up didn't get what actually happened.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
What, the fact that people misunderstood the scene? It's definitely one of the most cited things that people hate about it, but even in this poll six years later, 32% of respondents straight up didn't get what actually happened.
That Luke even considered it is stupid
I couldn't believe it either
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Zikten posted...
That Luke even considered it is stupid

Is this like when you posted that article the other day without reading it first but it's posting about a movie you haven't watched?
Zikten posted...
That Luke even considered it is stupid
As stupid as him losing his shit and hammering Vader on the ground while he was already down?

Luke has always been impulsive and prone to anger. It's a part of Anakin that lives on inside him.

It's actually well within his character to think about it, but it's also in his character that he was never actually going to do it.
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Murphiroth posted...
Is this like when you posted that article the other day without reading it first but it's posting about a movie you haven't watched?
I have seen every star wars movie
Zikten posted...
I have seen every star wars movie
But did you pay close attention and try to empathize with the characters, or are you thinking only logically? Emotions are crazy sometimes.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
But did you pay close attention and try to empathize with the characters, or are you thinking only logically? Emotions are crazy sometimes.
I'm basing it on how he refused to kill his father years earlier
Zikten posted...
I'm basing it on how he refused to kill his father years earlier
He was seconds away from killing him, though. Actively attacking him so hard, with so much rage, that he took a hand off him. The only thing that really snapped him out of it was Palpatine's gloating.
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I honestly believe some of the "Luke would never do that!" people should watch Return of the Jedi again and pay attention to some of the specific details.

What did Vader say to get Luke to finally lash out and fight? He threatened to try to turn Leia to the dark side. Threatening someone Luke loved resulted in him snapping and going totally apeshit on Vader.

What did he see when he looked into Ben's mind? I'll quote Luke directly:

"I saw darkness. I'd sensed it building in him. I'd see it at moments during his training. But then I looked inside... and it was beyond what I ever imagined. Snoke had already turned his heart. He would bring destruction, and pain, and death... and the end of everything I love because of what he will become. And for the briefest moment of pure instinct... I thought I could stop it."

I'd say that's entirely within his character.
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Doom_Art posted...
I mean, when Rey confronts him on it in the film he admits exactly what happened.

He saw that Snoke had already poisoned Ben against him and that Ben would destroy everything and kill everyone he loved and in a moment of weakness he considered killing him to prevent that, but he immediately changed his mind and felt ashamed for even considering it.

He considered killing him briefly, but never actually tried to.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
He was seconds away from killing him, though. Actively attacking him so hard, with so much rage, that he took a hand off him. The only thing that really snapped him out of it was Palpatine's gloating.

The only thing that snapped Luke out of it was seeing Vader's robot hand - just like his. Really hammering home to Luke that he's in the exact same spot his father was however long ago, and Luke is making the same mistake Anakin/Vader did.

Nothing about Luke 10 seconds earlier would have stopped just beating Vader to death.
The entire point of the Jedi struggle is that the Dark Side is always calling. Anakin and Luke absolutely sucked with that, that's why Yoda was hesitant with both.
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ST Luke is the worst. He thinks about killing his own nephew to stop evil from returning, but then doesn't do jack when evil actually does return. He didn't even tell anyone so the people fighting evil are wasting valuable resources looking for him. If you're going to go that route with Luke then make him so paranoid about stopping evil that he starts making "ends justify the needs decisions" and he becomes evil.
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Depends on how you mean. Because yes, he was going to and then stopped. But what's being argued here is semantics. It's one thing to think about it, it is another thing to start and then stop.
Gobstoppers12 posted...
It's actually well within his character

People who complain about this don't want a character, they want a hero.
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You also have to look at the situation from Luke's perspective.

You're basically the Grand Master of the entire Jedi Order, and burdened with the responsibility of not only training a new generation of Jedi, but also protecting the galaxy.

And then you see a premonition of your nephew becoming Darth Vader 2.0. It can't be easy to not at least think to yourself that you can spare the galaxy a whole lotta suffering if you just end the threat now. And ultimately, again, Luke didn't go through with it.
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COVxy posted...
People who complain about this don't want a character, they want a hero.

Which is ironic, because the literal point of the movie is that Luke the person and Luke the idolized war hero are two different people.
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People decided that they would hate everything about that movie and found a way to do it, even if they had to ignore what was directly shown on screen to do it. You don't have to like the movie, it certainly wasn't perfect, but at least hate it for the right reasons.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Which is ironic, because the literal point of the movie is that Luke the person and Luke the idolized war hero are two different people.
Yeah, people didn't like that. They wanted ultra Jedi master Luke Skywalker from the EU, not impulsive barely-trained, flawed Luke Skywalker from the actual movie trilogy. He was never a stoic Jedi, he was only pretending to be.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Yeah, people didn't like that. They wanted ultra Jedi master Luke Skywalker from the EU, not impulsive barely-trained, flawed Luke Skywalker from the actual movie trilogy. He was never a stoic Jedi, he was only pretending to be.
How dare fans of Star Wars not want their childhood hero to be heroic!
Nah better he be a complete failure that the galaxy would of been better off if he had never been born.
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havean776 posted...
Nah better he be a complete failure that the galaxy would of been better off if he had never been born.
Bruh I swear TLJ haters have no idea who Luke actually was, or what he actually said and did during the movies he appeared in.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Bruh I swear TLJ haters have no idea who Luke actually was, or what he actually said and did during the movies he appeared in.
Almost like they expected him to grow into a Jedi Master and restore the order.
Instead of finding out all his students got killed because of him and he went to an island to die while the galaxy burned.
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Bruh I swear TLJ haters have no idea who Luke actually was, or what he actually said and did during the movies he appeared in.
It's so insane. I feel like Star Wars is the number one property where "fans" think they know everything and are 100 percent correct, that their interpretation is the ONLY valid one, even when it is demonstrably wrong!
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MorbidFaithless posted...
It's so insane. I feel like Star Wars is the number one property where "fans" think they know everything and are 100 percent correct, that their interpretation is the ONLY valid one, even when it is demonstrably wrong!
Fans are not a hivemind. Some may think that some don't.
Some fans love TLJ some hate it neither of those are fake fans.

I do know that Rian Johnson wanted to make a film that half the audiance would hate.I don't agree with that goal, you should set out to make a film everyone enjoys and accept that some won't, not actually try to get people to hate it. But he was the director it was his choice and thus we have a film that some hate and some love.
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I've always held the opinion that TLJ always had problems with its narrative, but its portrayal of Luke was not one of them.
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Doom_Art posted...
He saw that Snoke had already poisoned Ben against him

is it ever explained who the fuck Snoke was?
how he managed to get to power?
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Doom_Art posted...
He saw that Snoke had already poisoned Ben against him and that Ben would destroy everything and kill everyone he loved and in a moment of weakness he considered killing him to prevent that, but he immediately changed his mind and felt ashamed for even considering it.

He considered killing him briefly, but never actually tried to.
Honestly, I think the directors were trying to make this sound more profound than the fans took it.
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havean776 posted...
How dare fans of Star Wars not want their childhood hero to be heroic!
Nah better he be a complete failure that the galaxy would of been better off if he had never been born.
Thank god Rian Johnson direct the movie and prevented you from getting some lameass fanservice from JJ Abrams.

It sucks that RJ didn't direct the third film, or the entire trilogy
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I like that the spoilers didn't end at "kill" lol

That whole movie was trash. Yes he did try to kill, no it's not in his character to do that.
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hockeybub89 posted...
Thank god Rian Johnson direct the movie and prevented you from getting some lameness fanservice from JJ Abrams.

It sucks that RJ didn't direct the third film, or the entire trilogy

RJ replaced Finn as the male lead with Kylo. Thus leaving no final boss bad guy. He sucks.
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ROBANN_88 posted...
is it ever explained who the fuck Snoke was?
how he managed to get to power?


The Mandalorian shows he's basically a failed Palpatine clone.
Master_Kazuya posted...
Yes he did try to kill
I like how you just came in and made a confidently incorrect statement like this.
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Luke's portrayal was AWESOME in TLJ and it makes sense.

Assuming Luke is similar to his father in some respects, both are vulnerable to being influenced by the dark side of the force. Anakin was made to see visions of his wife dying which ultimately led him to make the choice to fall to the Dark Side. Luke had the same weakness in seeing what he thought was Ben Solo becoming another Sith Lord. He had a momentary lapse and thought to protect the galaxy by removing a threat.

People saying Luke would never do that... look to the only two Jedi Masters who ever trained him. Both were GENERALS in a galactic war where the Jedi Order abandoned their peace-keeping nature to fight a war for the Senate. Luke would have also been influenced by his two Masters and their stories about the Clone Wars. Sometimes you gotta get into the muck and dirt, like Obi-Wan and Yoda did.

Heck, him removing himself from the galaxy after his failure? FUCKING YODA DID THE EXACT SAME THING! He literally said it in Episode 3 that he was going into exile. Now arguably Obi-Wan didn't do the EXACT same thing, he decided to go into exile and watch over the kids of Anakin Skywalker... but again, he went into exile. The only two Jedi Masters who ever taught Luke directly? In the face of failure they went into exile. Of course Luke would do something similar.

His disillusionment about the Jedi Order? His morose sort of point of view in TLJ? He is his fathers son, and he is far more like his father than Leia is. Anakin also had conflicted views of the Jedi Order, how easily they would abandon certain edicts and how strictly they would adhere to others. Of course he's going to have a somewhat nuanced view of the Jedi Order.

The whole element of Luke Skywalker the man vs. Luke Skywalker the Legend? That was told beautifully I though.
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