to win the civil war we need to court young boys?
I'm not watching that video but yeah, the mainstream/progressive left doesn't spend much time courting the young male demographic, and the right pounces by appealing to the worst in them. I'm not sure what the solution is.
No.
They just don't legitimise and encourage their worst instincts.
I think it's less that and more that we need to crack down on the alt right bullshit propaganda
No.
They just don't legitimise and encourage their worst instincts.
If you're in a space that makes you feel like s*** for existing, you're not going to want to be in that space.That's only true in such a miniscule level in terms of actuality, and more fearmongering, and propaganda which is why it has any hold to begin with.
This type of argument just doesn't really make much sense in the end. It's mostly just validating the young, white, male persecution complex.Based on a dishonest take. That we somehow have to address as the left?
And please explain why there are more and more disaffected men running to the right than the left, in your estimation.Can you demonstrate that more young men are going right than left? Site some sources?
That's only true in such a miniscule level in terms of actuality, and more fearmongering, and propaganda which is why it has any hold to begin with.
I'd ask you to name people of relevance that contribute to that, you won't. But I could name hate spreaders on the right who are relevant.
ok what do you think the left should be doing
Can you demonstrate that more young men are going right than left? Site some sources?Honestly, just seems to me like innocuous falling for the right's shit on their end...
Can you demonstrate that more young men are going right than left? Site some sources?
What would courting young boys look like?
More coming, let me find the graphsYes, show us how propaganda is effective.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/5/AAAEGgAAE2Wl.jpg
Yes, show us how propaganda is effective.
I'll address the bigotry against males that is prevalent on the left. Oh wait....
Can't just be lies and fearmongering, things used before, things that have been effective before...
Honestly, it's sad, because I think you mean well... I really do. But that you don't see how fucked up it is to have to right a mistake that doesn't happen, and where the judge would be the one lying about you to begin with... media/ceo's and such.
TC what you say is true for cis WHITE males.
Very few young males of color are getting wrapped up in the blatantly racist conservative party of old rich Christian whites.
well CE does call anybody bringing up men's issues an incel
Because I'm feeling that this propaganda is actually working on young disaffected men, and that that's not a good thing.It is, why rely on propaganda otherwise?
It is. But it's not because "it's real," more they are buying into the lie. Understand? Can't undo a mistake that doesn't happen. In terms of prevelency, reality. This stuff isn't new either.
On Hitler:
His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.
This is really hyperbolic, but it's to get a certain point across. A black slave back in the day in the US didn't get degraded and called an "ape," because they sucked at communicating their humanness.
Liars and shit bags are the issue here.
What would courting young boys look like?
Three key components, as I see it.
1) Acknowledge the unique difficulties of being a man, with an emphasis on liberating men from them.
2) Affirm a conception of positive masculinity (and femininity) that rejects traditional gender roles as oppressive to men (and women).
3) Don't blame men for their plight, or for the state of society re: gender, and stand up against those who do blame men for these things.
This, or something like it, is the way forward.
TC what you say is true for cis WHITE males.
Very few young males of color are getting wrapped up in the blatantly racist conservative party of old rich Christian whites.
I think you may be on to something here. Even more potentially useful and less nebulous than my own suggestion.Not that the left has the onus to do such things, nor would the right acknowledge it. Heck they've even done it before.
well CE does call anybody bringing up men's issues an incel
And it's true, the left sucks at messaging for young men.Yeah sure, it's not just the right being shitbag liars who have quite a hold on the means of messaging.
Yup. Thats the issue.
When people like JP clarify and dive deeper what you start to notice is that courting young men actually means tossing women back into the kitchen.
Three key components, as I see it.
1) Acknowledge the unique difficulties of being a man, with an emphasis on liberating men from them.
2) Affirm a conception of positive masculinity (and femininity) that rejects traditional gender roles as oppressive to men (and women).
3) Don't blame men for their plight, or for the state of society re: gender, and stand up against those who do blame men for these things.
This, or something like it, is the way forward.
I don't get why people are pretending it isn't an issue.It is, but an artificial one.
I just edited my post to answer this: not entirely true from what I am seeing. Latino and Asian kids I've seen falling for this bullshit, too. That's what really made me start to worry about this issue.
Yeah sure, it's not just the right being shitbag liars who have quite a hold on the means of messaging.
And you falling for that shit. Schooling, health care, working rights... pay.
You'll get thrashed in a debate. You need to muddy the waters with identity politics to even have foot hold.
This is like the 6th time Vaush has faced drama for this one tweet.
Three key components, as I see it.If people didn't reee whenever they heard the phrase "toxic masculinity" I think they would realize that it doesn't mean men are toxic in and of themselves, but the false standards of manhood they're being held to are whats toxic. Not being allowed to show emotion, having to resort of shows of physical strength to gain acceptance etc.
1) Acknowledge the unique difficulties of being a man, with an emphasis on liberating men from them.
2) Affirm a conception of positive masculinity (and femininity) that rejects traditional gender roles as oppressive to men (and women).
3) Don't blame men for their plight, or for the state of society re: gender, and stand up against those who do blame men for these things.
This, or something like it, is the way forward.
This is how people like JP are taking advantage of this vacuum.We just going to ignore that it's not a "vacuum" and money dictates what gets pushed?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/9/AAJBROAAEOIH.jpgThere is a lot of weird phrasing to unpack here
Anyway, sort of, but it's not necessarily a bad thing, just an obstacle. Middle class neurotypical cis white boys are way closer to the top of the economic food chain than the alternatives, which means they're very close to being the last people you seek to convince to join the Party. There's just less reason for them to be on the left, in terms of their immediate material situation, than LGBTQ people, working class people, people of color, the differently abled or neurodivergent people. Appealing to them with bullshit is either lying or betraying your principles, and appealing to them with the truth is probably illegal or will get you killed by the government.
And it's true, the left sucks at messaging for young men.This is only a fair thing to say in a world where the elite don't have such a powerful hold on "messaging."