Dystopia Today: MSG uses facial recognition tech to BLACKLIST UNDESIRABLES

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How fucked is this?




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https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/12/facial-recognition-flags-girl-scout-mom-as-security-risk-at-rockettes-show/

tl;dr: MSG is using facial recognition software to ban anyone who works at law firms involved in litigation against them from their public events - regardless of whether not the individual is involved in said litigation.

In this particular instance, this working mother, who just wanted to come see the Rockettes with her daughter's Girl Scouts troupe. Instead she was accosted by security, who were sent to give her the boot after the software recognized her as an employee of one of the aforementioned law firms. She herself is not involved in any litigation against MSG - but because she wrongfully chose to be employed by someone they don't like, she is now blacklisted. She wasn't visiting the establishment as a lawyer, but as a mother trying to support her child. The nights of both were ruined by what, to me, should be described as a misuse of security software and technology. Unfortunately, this type of discrimination is not illegal. Thoughts? Concerns?
I thought this was about monosodium glutamate, quite confused for a second there.
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Cheater87 posted...
I thought this was about monosodium glutamate, quite confused for a second there.
Glad Im not the only one. Ive never heard of MSG Entertainment.
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I don't want to live in a society where my seasoning judges me
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it's m adison s quare g arden. kinda surprised at these poll results so far tbh. would anyone who voted 'this is fine' mind sharing perspective?
Irony posted...
I don't want to live in a society where my seasoning judges me

I'm getting some serious Sausage Party vibes right now
Are we the baddies?
People are okay with this? Really?
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If something harmful happened to the girls while the mom was kicked out by force, the business would be criminally liable
Zikten posted...
If something harmful happened to the girls while the mom was kicked out by force, the business would be criminally liable

She wasn't "kicked out by force", she was asked to leave.

I'm not one to defend the MSG group, as James Dolan is the definition of dirtbag, but I understand why the did what they did.
It takes zero effort to be a good person.
The fact that so many people just cool with this software in general is scary
To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships.
W.E.B. Du Bois
Read that as MTG at first, thought it was very shockedpikachu.png

Still think it is
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cjsdowg posted...
The fact that so many people just cool with this software in general is scary
"They'll never target me!"
The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt.
Well all it did was enrage her firm. She was not part of the case so she wasn't investigating them. But by harassing her, now more shit is piling on that company

They may have doomed themselves
cjsdowg posted...
The fact that so many people just cool with this software in general is scary

It kinda has that "I don't care if the government can read my texts. I have nothing to hide." head in the sand feel to it.

Counter to that though, is if this technology finds someone entering a 6K seat theatre, or something bigger, like and airport, that's on some terror watchlist and they're going in there with the intentions on doing harm, than who can argue that it is a "bad" thing.
It takes zero effort to be a good person.
bigblu89 posted...
It kinda has that "I don't care if the government can read my texts. I have nothing to hide." head in the sand feel to it.

Counter to that though, is if this technology finds someone entering a 6K seat theatre, or something bigger, like and airport, that's on some terror watchlist and they're going in there with the intentions on doing harm, than who can argue that it is a "bad" thing.
Technology can always be misused. What if someone hacks the program and makes it declare innocent people to be terrorists? Movies always tell us about this stuff to warn us.
Zikten posted...
Technology can always be misused. What if someone hacks the program and makes it declare innocent people to be terrorists? Movies always tell us about this stuff to warn us.
That could be said about ANY technology/discovery though, going all the way back to the discovery of fire.
It takes zero effort to be a good person.
Well you can't hack a fire but....

I just think we should be careful letting systems like this get set up

Even people who think they have nothing to hide ignore that the government could change and change laws so something you do is now illegal. And what if they retroactively punish? They could go through your entire internet life history and find out if you ever committed the thing that just became illegal
If I was trying to win a lawsuit against MSG for some kind of problem and one of my dumbass lawyers opened the door to them being able to refute my claims because she clearly thought it was a great place to take her kids, she would be fired.

Im honestly surprised there isnt some kind of a prohibition against patronizing someone your firm is actively suing.

Literally the only way to counter that would be to say you were going there to see what you could learn about any problems. Which is the whole reason for MSG having the policy.
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divot1338 posted...
If I was trying to win a lawsuit against MSG for some kind of problem and one of my dumbass lawyers opened the door to them being able to refute my claims because she clearly thought it was a great place to take her kids, she would be fired.

Im honestly surprised there isnt some kind of a prohibition against patronizing someone your firm is actively suing.

Literally the only way to counter that would be to say you were going there to see what you could learn about any problems. Which is the whole reason for MSG having the policy.
The firm has said they support the woman and are angry what happened to her. They don't seem to be looking at the incident the way you are. She didn't break a rule. She isn't involved in the case. Her firm is but not every employee at the firm is on that case

And I am confused. This helps the firm. Not hurts it. The company just fucked themselves
Zikten posted...
Well you can't hack a fire but....

I just think we should be careful letting systems like this get set up

Even people who think they have nothing to hide ignore that the government could change and change laws so something you do is now illegal. And what if they retroactively punish? They could go through your entire internet life history and find out if you ever committed the thing that just became illegal

But again, this could be said about literally any discovery/invention.

You can't live your life based on retroactive "what ifs".

It takes zero effort to be a good person.
bigblu89 posted...
But again, this could be said about literally any discovery/invention.

You can't live your life based on retroactive "what ifs".
Again you can't hack a fire. You keep acting like every invention since the stone age is a computer program. I'm talking specifically about modern stuff that wasn't possible for most of human history. No invention in the past allowed people to spy on citizens like modern cameras and computer technology and satellites

And I can live my life on being wary of letting surveillance technology take over the world
Zikten posted...
Again you can't hack a fire. You keep acting like every invention since the stone age is a computer program. I'm talking specifically about modern stuff that wasn't possible for most of human history. No invention in the past allowed people to spy on citizens like modern cameras and computer technology and satellites

And I can live my life on being wary of letting surveillance technology take over the world
But you could say we shouldn't use fire to warm ourselves because it can burn us if used improperly.

Which is a fairly apt metaphor here. If this tech is misused (which it likely will be), it will burn us. But it can also help us (by insulating us from known bad actors in public).
The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt.
Zikten posted...
Again you can't hack a fire. You keep acting like every invention since the stone age is a computer program. I'm talking specifically about modern stuff that wasn't possible for most of human history invention in the past allowed people to spy on citizens like modern cameras and computer technology and satellites

And I can live my life on being wary of letting surveillance technology take over the world

You can't hack a fire, but you can use it for nefarious means. You can take anything and find a way to exploit it.

Just like modern technology, you have to weigh the pros and cons of the discovery/invention. I mean, the microphone was invented in 1876 and has been used ever since to spy on people. But it's most just been used to amplify someone's voice when in a large crowd.

Eventually you have to just have to live with technology and trust that it is being used to help more than harm. You'll drive yourself crazy otherwise.
It takes zero effort to be a good person.
And I am confused. This helps the firm. Not hurts it. The company just fucked themselves

The law firm fucked up their case not MSG. As I said even the most generous interpretation of her actions gives MSG a way to refute any claim with its good enough for your lawyers and their kids.

The only way this helps the firm is if all of a sudden people stop hating lawyers. And that aint happening.
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