Worst Bioware game?

01/21/2018 09:21:25 AM

01/21/2018

09:21 AM

Inquisition?

What?

That game was great.

Vyrulisse posted...

Andromeda. Dragon Age II was a steaming pile but at least it didn't completely kill a franchise that people loved.

To be fair to Bioware, Mass Effect 3's ending did more damage to the franchise than Andromeda ever did.

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Funkydog

01/21/2018 09:25:06 AM

01/21/2018

09:25 AM

I mean, they clearly DID try with 2. It isn't their fault EA forced em to rush it out in around a year. It still has plenty of charm and love in it, despite the restrictions they were forced into.

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spikethedevil

01/21/2018 09:25:29 AM

01/21/2018

09:25 AM

Sonic Chronicles and it's not even close.

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Error1355

01/21/2018 09:26:17 AM

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09:26 AM

@Maze_ posted...

To be fair to Bioware, Mass Effect 3's ending did more damage to the franchise than Andromeda ever did.

They made another Mass Effect after 3.

They shuttered the studio, canceled the DLC and sequel after Andromeda. I have no idea how you can make the claim that ME3 was worse for the franchise.

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weapon_d00d816

01/21/2018 09:29:57 AM

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09:29 AM

Maze_ posted...

Inquisition?

What?

That game was great.

It was so plastic and plain. It was polished, but it took zero chances and had no heart. It didn't follow the dark fantasy themes of the series either. Everything was bright and optimistic and "yeah we'll show that mean old Corypheus so long as we have hope and friendship!" The characters sucked too.

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Funkydog

01/21/2018 09:32:23 AM

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09:32 AM

weapon_d00d816 posted...

The characters sucked too.

What.

It had fantastic characters. And no darkness? Did you even play the game? You clearly didn't, as several characters whole theme was wrapped around darkness as were several main quests.

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JustMonika

01/21/2018 09:36:40 AM

01/21/2018

09:36 AM

Inquisition had terrible characters apart from Iron Bull and Varric then Sera and Vivienne are some of the worst characters in fiction in general. Also the plot is terrible.

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spikethedevil

01/21/2018 09:37:59 AM

01/21/2018

09:37 AM

#10

Sera is awesome but Americans got confused by her accent lol.

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01/21/2018 09:38:00 AM

01/21/2018

09:38 AM

#11

Error1355 posted...

They shuttered the studio, canceled the DLC and sequel after Andromeda. I have no idea how you can make the claim that ME3 was worse for the franchise.

Because it was 3 that left the bad taste in people's mouths. So much so they had to soft-reboot the entire series. On top of that Andromeda was a financial success.

The reasons for the studio and DLC cancelcation were internal ones. It wasn't shut down because Andromeda wasn't making bank. The development of Andromeda was hell which shows in the finished product.

I mean Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith is considered the best of the prequels and yet the star wars plans were canceled following it and there wasn't another entry for a decade becasue Episode 1 had already done the damage.

If disenfranchised fans with a bad taste in their mouths can still make a soft-reboot profitable then just imagine what would have happened if ME3's ending wasn't a debacle and there was tremendous interest in Andromeda.

My take anyway

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01/21/2018 09:42:17 AM

01/21/2018

09:42 AM

#12

Funkydog posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

The characters sucked too.

What.

It had fantastic characters. And no darkness? Did you even play the game? You clearly didn't, as several characters whole theme was wrapped around darkness as were several main quests.

It's weird as well because Origins and 2 weren't that dark either.

Both games (especially 2) were about the power of friendship overcoming evil dark forces.

I mean 3 even had a dude defend slavery, that's darker than anything a companion did in Origins.

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weapon_d00d816

01/21/2018 09:42:27 AM

01/21/2018

09:42 AM

#13

Funkydog posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

The characters sucked too.

What.

It had fantastic characters. And no darkness? Did you even play the game? You clearly didn't, as several characters whole theme was wrapped around darkness as were several main quests.

The characters were almost all very flat and same, like they were written by one person with only a superficial knowledge of other types of people than himself. The only ones who broke the mold were Sera and Cole.

The game as a whole was not dark fantasy in the slightest. It was standard fantasy, which includes sprinkles of everything naturally. There was nothing the likes of the Grey Warden blood ritual in the first game, where you see the recruit in front of you drink Darkspawn blood and go crazy and die, and then it's your turn. Or a dwarf female being kidnapped by Darkspawn, dragged into their lair and turned into a broodmother. Or stuff like the Tranquil from the Mages' Circle. Those kinds of themes that cast an air of harsh times instead of just telling you "hey times are harsh".

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01/21/2018 09:50:50 AM

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09:50 AM

#14

weapon_d00d816 posted...

The characters were almost all very flat and same, like they were written by one person with only a superficial knowledge of other types of people than himself. The only ones who broke the mold were Sera and Cole.

Honestly Sera was the only character I didn't like <_<

weapon_d00d816 posted...

The game as a whole was not dark fantasy in the slightest. It was standard fantasy, which includes sprinkles of everything naturally. There was nothing the likes of the Grey Warden blood ritual in the first game, where you see the recruit in front of you drink Darkspawn blood and go crazy and die, and then it's your turn. Or a dwarf female being kidnapped by Darkspawn, dragged into their lair and turned into a broodmother. Or stuff like the Tranquil from the Mages' Circle. Those kinds of themes that cast an air of harsh times instead of just telling you "hey times are harsh".

Instead it had refugees with the plague being mass murdered in a flood intentionally to save a town from death.
Someone selling their own townspeople into intentional torture-based slavery and transformation into monsters just so the town could survive a little longer.
A man literally destroying the entire world and murdering everybody to keep his dying son alive in a cataonic state.
The Grey Wardens all hearing the call into believing they are about to turn into horrible monsters at any moment and so kill their own friends to raise an army of demons to hold back the darkness
And let's not forget killing one of your enemies, putting them in a box and then sending the box around as a warning for any who would challenge you.

I'd say all 3 games are standard fantasy, there's nothing that dark in any of them. But Inky is no less dark than 1 or 2.

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Sada_Pop

01/21/2018 09:52:41 AM

01/21/2018

09:52 AM

#15

Bioware fucking let me down back to back with DA:I and ME Andromeda.

Andromeda was just terrible all around and Inquisition was so boring.

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weapon_d00d816

01/21/2018 09:54:32 AM

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09:54 AM

#16

Maze_ posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

The characters were almost all very flat and same, like they were written by one person with only a superficial knowledge of other types of people than himself. The only ones who broke the mold were Sera and Cole.

Honestly Sera was the only character I didn't like <_<

weapon_d00d816 posted...

The game as a whole was not dark fantasy in the slightest. It was standard fantasy, which includes sprinkles of everything naturally. There was nothing the likes of the Grey Warden blood ritual in the first game, where you see the recruit in front of you drink Darkspawn blood and go crazy and die, and then it's your turn. Or a dwarf female being kidnapped by Darkspawn, dragged into their lair and turned into a broodmother. Or stuff like the Tranquil from the Mages' Circle. Those kinds of themes that cast an air of harsh times instead of just telling you "hey times are harsh".

Instead it had refugees with the plague being mass murdered in a flood intentionally to save a town from death.
Someone selling their own townspeople into intentional torture-based slavery and transformation into monsters just so the town could survive a little longer.
A man literally destroying the entire world and murdering everybody to keep his dying son alive in a cataonic state.
The Grey Wardens all hearing the call into believing they are about to turn into horrible monsters at any moment and so kill their own friends to raise an army of demons to hold back the darkness
And let's not forget killing one of your enemies, putting them in a box and then sending the box around as a warning for any who would challenge you.

I'd say all 3 games are standard fantasy, there's nothing that dark in any of them. But Inky is no less dark than 1 or 2.

But those things weren't made to feel dark. There was a complete tonal disconnect. It was presented as the emotional equivalent of wearing a condom -- in your mind you knew what was going on because it was presented straight in front of you, but it didn't make you feel anything because of how blunt and flatly it was presented.

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01/21/2018 09:56:58 AM

01/21/2018

09:56 AM

#17

I mean, technically it's Sonic Chronicles but nobody cared about that and we're used to terrible Sonic games.

Andromeda killed a beloved franchise, was thrust onto an inexperienced dev team that had no idea what they were doing and was clearly a cash grab with no love put into it.

01/21/2018 09:59:00 AM

01/21/2018

09:59 AM

#18

weapon_d00d816 posted...

But those things weren't made to feel dark.

I don't think anything Dragon Age was made to feel dark.

In Origins you could literally crack jokes about your family being murdered and your cousin being raped if you're a city elf.

weapon_d00d816 posted...

There was a complete tonal disconnect. It was presented as the emotional equivalent of wearing a condom -- in your mind you knew what was going on because it was presented straight in front of you, but it didn't make you feel anything because of how blunt and flatly it was presented.

If you say so. As a fan of all 3 games I didn't feel this and in fact would say 2 did the worst job of getting the gameplay to represent story.

I'd see your point that the more open world nature of the game hurt NPC interaction but the point of "It's less dark because it felt less dark even though it was just as dark!" just sounds more to me like you got older.

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01/21/2018 10:02:52 AM

01/21/2018

10:02 AM

#19

I agree with weapon_d00d in that Inquisition didn't have the dark fantasy themes of the previous two games. Say what you will about DA2, but it still had the thematic tones of harsh reality in a fantasy setting that Origins had and a very dark storyline. Inquisition was way too bright and optimistic and felt more like Lord of the Rings than A Song of Ice and Fire.

For gosh sakes, it didn't even have the Murder Knife. >__>

Funkydog

01/21/2018 10:04:39 AM

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10:04 AM

#20

Maze_ posted...

Stuff

And lets not forget regarding your companions..

Dorians father wanting to use blood magic on him to change his sexuality
One of your companions being a child murderer
Another masquerading as a child who was tortured by the templars
Dealing with a templars addiction
Learning more about the rite of tranquility

The companions didn't seem "flat and the same" to me at all. From Blackwall with ~~learning about his plight of wanting to a better man than he was~~ , Dorian wanting to make ~~Tevinter a better place and dealing with the expectations of him from his family~~ or Bull's struggle and potential consequences of his quest ~~with staying part of the Qun and betraying you in the end (or Dorian), or giving it all up~~

And so on.

It's fair to not like it, but your claims simply aren't true though.

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01/21/2018 10:05:27 AM

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10:05 AM

#21

Maze_ posted...

In Origins you could literally crack jokes about your family being murdered and your cousin being raped if you're a city elf.

Yeah....you could be a real bastard in Origins and II. In Inquisition, you're forced to be a goody two-shoes. Sooo that's another point in favor of Inquisition being less dark fantasy than the others.

01/21/2018 10:08:20 AM

01/21/2018

10:08 AM

#22

Despite my criticisms tho, I did enjoy Inquisition. I think the characters were one of the major things it got right, with the only one I didn't like was Sera. I didn't like Vivienne either but she was entertaining to watch.

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01/21/2018 10:11:24 AM

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10:11 AM

#23

There's some shit in here that, after having beaten all 3, I do not remember.

Must've missed some stuff.

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01/21/2018 10:11:31 AM

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10:11 AM

#24

Ivynn posted...

For gosh sakes, it didn't even have the Murder Knife. >__>

:(

I missed the murder knife.

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chill02

01/21/2018 10:14:35 AM

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10:14 AM

#25

Ivynn posted...

For gosh sakes, it didn't even have the Murder Knife. >__>

~~You had to craft one to become an assassin. It was literally called that.~~

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01/21/2018 10:16:00 AM

01/21/2018

10:16 AM

#26

chill02 posted...

Ivynn posted...

For gosh sakes, it didn't even have the Murder Knife. >__>

~~You had to craft one to become an assassin. It was literally called that.~~

~~That was an in-joke tho, not the REAL murder knife~~

kinetika_

01/21/2018 10:17:24 AM

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10:17 AM

#27

Error1355 posted...

@Maze_ posted...

To be fair to Bioware, Mass Effect 3's ending did more damage to the franchise than Andromeda ever did.

They made another Mass Effect after 3.

They shuttered the studio, canceled the DLC and sequel after Andromeda. I have no idea how you can make the claim that ME3 was worse for the franchise.

Yeah, I mean the ending was lame... but overall, the game was good. I liked it better than ME2, which will always be the worst in the trilogy for me.

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Vyrulisse

01/21/2018 10:23:00 AM

01/21/2018

10:23 AM

#28

kinetika_ posted...

Error1355 posted...

@Maze_ posted...

To be fair to Bioware, Mass Effect 3's ending did more damage to the franchise than Andromeda ever did.

They made another Mass Effect after 3.

They shuttered the studio, canceled the DLC and sequel after Andromeda. I have no idea how you can make the claim that ME3 was worse for the franchise.

Yeah, I mean the ending was lame... but overall, the game was good. I liked it better than ME2, which will always be the worst in the trilogy for me.

I loved ME2 and was disappointed that 3 shit on everything it was building. x.x

Here's my quickly thought out ending to how I wanted ME3 to go:
You build your forces throughout ME3 like normal, maybe having a path to bring Cerberus into the fold and not have them just be "lolindoctrinated bad guys". You still build The Crucible but it's a ship capable of going toe-to-toe with Reapers.The ending sequence is you leading your forces into a massive space battle with the Reapers, the Crucible is a real threat to them so you use it as a distraction basically while you sneak in on the Normandy to board Harbinger. Once you and your team do that you make your way through it and bring him down from inside.

Yeah it sounds somewhat similar to ME2's ending but I felt Harbinger wasn't given nearly enough justice in ME3. 2 was setting it up so it had a personal vendetta/obsession with Shepherd and it never got played out properly. I know my idea isn't the most creative but it's a damn sight better than what we got.

Also ~~I'd make Space Ninja Edgelord actually threatening and not some Xbox Live-tier raging kid.~~

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01/21/2018 10:26:19 AM

01/21/2018

10:26 AM

#29

Vyrulisse posted...

Also I'd make Spa ~~ce Ninja Edgelord actually threatening and not some Xbox Live-tier raging kid.~~

I cannot for the life of my understand who on Bioware's team possibly thought that the best way to get Leng across as a villain would be to ~~have you beat him in a fight, then someone else defeat you in a cutscene, then have him send you insulting e-mails.~~

That's crazy...

Just why?

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Seitar

01/21/2018 10:34:09 AM

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10:34 AM

#30

weapon_d00d816 posted...

Maze_ posted...

Inquisition?

What?

That game was great.

It was so plastic and plain. It was polished, but it took zero chances and had no heart. It didn't follow the dark fantasy themes of the series either. Everything was bright and optimistic and "yeah we'll show that mean old Corypheus so long as we have hope and friendship!" The characters sucked too.

Yeah this.

With DA:I Bioware really tried to make a great game and it fell flat on all fronts (I'm still amazed at how long the "honeymoon period" for the general gamer was with that game, at least Witcher 3 came within a year to wake people up), Andromeda was Bioware not giving a shit and forcing a n00b studio to make a AAA game.

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01/21/2018 10:36:26 AM

01/21/2018

10:36 AM

#31

Seitar posted...

Andromeda was Bioware not giving a shit and forcing a n00b studio to make a AAA game.

That had more to do with EA than Bioware itself.

Vyrulisse

01/21/2018 10:37:07 AM

01/21/2018

10:37 AM

#32

Maze_ posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

Also I'd make Spa ~~ce Ninja Edgelord actually threatening and not some Xbox Live-tier raging kid.~~

I cannot for the life of my understand who on Bioware's team possibly thought that the best way to get Leng across as a villain would be to ~~have you beat him in a fight, then someone else defeat you in a cutscene, then have him send you insulting e-mails.~~

That's crazy...

Just why?

I don't have an answer. It's more puzzling since Leng was supposed to be equal to Shepherd in terms of ability but came off as pathetic. He was a cutscene hero and they made other characters look stupid just to try and build him up which is a rookie mistake. For example, Thane got the drop on him and his character dictates he would have taken the head shot instantly but since they had to build up Leng they made him hesitate. It was pretty insulting.

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