I'm honestly hoping Le Pen wins, if only for the fact it could be another severe damaging blow to the house of dictatorial corruption that is the EU.
Ya Russians have everyone's best interest at heart. Hahah
The only people it benefits are the upper portion of the 1%.
Lil69Leo posted...
Ya Russians have everyone's best interest at heart. Hahah
They don't, but that doesn't mean they can't sometimes align with your own.
Choo choo choose one.
tbh, people have been complaining about the US's 2-party system for years but look at what France's election system gave them: It's like an infinitely worse version of the 2016 election.
I'm slightly favoring Le Pen only because of her opponent's EU stances where he announced plans to "punish" the UK for Brexit and because France's open-door policy has opened the country to repeated acts of terror and violence.
Zeus posted...
tbh, people have been complaining about the US's 2-party system for years but look at what France's election system gave them: It's like an infinitely worse version of the 2016 election.
I'm slightly favoring Le Pen only because of her opponent's EU stances where he announced plans to "punish" the UK for Brexit and because France's open-door policy has opened the country to repeated acts of terror and violence.
I'd argue it's not worse. They choose their two favourites, not super-delegates or some shit, then pit those two against each other.
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Zeus posted...
tbh, people have been complaining about the US's 2-party system for years but look at what France's election system gave them: It's like an infinitely worse version of the 2016 election.
I'm slightly favoring Le Pen only because of her opponent's EU stances where he announced plans to "punish" the UK for Brexit and because France's open-door policy has opened the country to repeated acts of terror and violence.
I'd argue it's not worse. They choose their two favourites, not super-delegates or some shit, then pit those two against each other.
Hillary won without superdelegates and the Republicans don't have superdelegates. And Macron is literally nobody's favorite.
Zeus posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Zeus posted...
tbh, people have been complaining about the US's 2-party system for years but look at what France's election system gave them: It's like an infinitely worse version of the 2016 election.
I'm slightly favoring Le Pen only because of her opponent's EU stances where he announced plans to "punish" the UK for Brexit and because France's open-door policy has opened the country to repeated acts of terror and violence.
I'd argue it's not worse. They choose their two favourites, not super-delegates or some shit, then pit those two against each other.
Hillary won without superdelegates and the Republicans don't have superdelegates. And Macron is literally nobody's favorite.
Somebody better tell Trump to get out of the White House then. How embarrassing that everyone except you seems to have been ignorant of this.
PS: I know the electoral college (and IMO the entire US electoral system) are dog shit.
Two awful parties that basically fucked everyone over post-Carter. Yeah, awesome....
My money is one the french one
I've read that if Le Pen wins, then the whole continent would be screwed. I hope that's not true though.
Runner_style posted...
I'm honestly hoping Le Pen wins, if only for the fact it could be another severe damaging blow to the house of dictatorial corruption that is the EU.
That's my thought. Economic globalization is terrible. The only people it benefits are the upper portion of the 1%. Dumb people can easily be fed a lie to the contrary, but it's clear that people who like control want more of it, and right now money affords them that. Decentralizing things allows more local freedoms and everywhere ends up more empowered in several ways. I don't care if it takes Russian hackers to break the ruling elite's grip. A means to an end.
after three months she'll just end up choosing to totally backstab her supporters just like Trump did. ;.;
Runner_style posted...
I'm honestly hoping Le Pen wins, if only for the fact it could be another severe damaging blow to the house of dictatorial corruption that is the EU.
That's my thought. Economic globalization is terrible. The only people it benefits are the upper portion of the 1%. Dumb people can easily be fed a lie to the contrary, but it's clear that people who like control want more of it, and right now money affords them that. Decentralizing things allows more local freedoms and everywhere ends up more empowered in several ways. I don't care if it takes Russian hackers to break the ruling elite's grip. A means to an end.
Le Pen. People talk. There are people who are deathly afraid of the immigration crisis. She's going to have a stealth win.
RedPixel posted...
Le Pen. People talk. There are people who are deathly afraid of the immigration crisis. She's going to have a stealth win.
Funny how far rightists think CENTRISTS are SJWs
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Runner_style posted...
I'm honestly hoping Le Pen wins, if only for the fact it could be another severe damaging blow to the house of dictatorial corruption that is the EU.
That's my thought. Economic globalization is terrible. The only people it benefits are the upper portion of the 1%. Dumb people can easily be fed a lie to the contrary, but it's clear that people who like control want more of it, and right now money affords them that. Decentralizing things allows more local freedoms and everywhere ends up more empowered in several ways. I don't care if it takes Russian hackers to break the ruling elite's grip. A means to an end.
Economic globalization is better for almost everyone. why do you think people in the 50s and 60s could only afford 1 TV while now even the poor have multiple Tvs and game consoles, smarthphones and computers?
the only people who have it worst are people who worked on manufacturing in developed nations. everyone else is way better on globalization
Metal_Gear_Link posted...
RedPixel posted...
Le Pen. People talk. There are people who are deathly afraid of the immigration crisis. She's going to have a stealth win.
Funny how far rightists think CENTRISTS are SJWs
Except Macron isn't really a centrist, after all he was hand-picked as a minister by a far-left Prime Minister and carried out his policies. The media may have dubbed him a centrist to get him over with the people and, technically speaking, he may not have been as far left as some of the other choices, but he was a leftist.
Metal_Gear_Link posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Runner_style posted...
I'm honestly hoping Le Pen wins, if only for the fact it could be another severe damaging blow to the house of dictatorial corruption that is the EU.
That's my thought. Economic globalization is terrible. The only people it benefits are the upper portion of the 1%. Dumb people can easily be fed a lie to the contrary, but it's clear that people who like control want more of it, and right now money affords them that. Decentralizing things allows more local freedoms and everywhere ends up more empowered in several ways. I don't care if it takes Russian hackers to break the ruling elite's grip. A means to an end.
Economic globalization is better for almost everyone. why do you think people in the 50s and 60s could only afford 1 TV while now even the poor have multiple Tvs and game consoles, smarthphones and computers?
the only people who have it worst are people who worked on manufacturing in developed nations. everyone else is way better on globalization
Why do you confuse correlation with causation? The availability of tvs had less to do with globalization than it did with improvements to the technology itself. The only difference is that US labor was being undercut by foreign labor, leaving people to increasingly buy on credit rather than through their wages. That's not to say that globalization is inherently negative, but it's a tremendous tool for helping the rich get richer, the nation's poor stay poor, and it benefits the manufacturing nation more than it does our nation's poor.
Poor people where not even able to afford a Tv in the 60s ...
only people who work on manufacturing in developed nations are worse today..
sure the rich are better on today but so are the poor who not work in manufacturing, the middle class who doesn't work in manufacturing...
What the fuck? Zeus actually provided a link for something? I'm shocked.
Anyways, Macron won and I am relieved.
Erik_P posted...
What the fuck? Zeus actually provided a link for something? I'm shocked.
Anyways, Macron won and I am relieved.
Unlike you, I constantly provide links for everything or reference specific sources. Granted, you just ignore them anyway so it doesn't matter.
And you're "relieved" because you're ignorant. A EU breakup would have only benefited the US, in addition to likely benefiting the people of France.
Zeus posted...
Erik_P posted...
What the fuck? Zeus actually provided a link for something? I'm shocked.
Anyways, Macron won and I am relieved.
Unlike you, I constantly provide links for everything or reference specific sources. Granted, you just ignore them anyway so it doesn't matter.
And you're "relieved" because you're ignorant. A EU breakup would have only benefited the US, in addition to likely benefiting the people of France.
You "constantly" provide sources yet you never provided a single link when you claimed coal was cheaper and cleaner than other energy sources.
Marine Le Pen was France's version of Donald Trump. She would've been terrible for France.
back in the 60s there were 0.9 Tvs per household. now the ratio is 2.93
People on developing nations are better of because of those jobs. only people on developed nations who used to work in manufacturing have it worse. everyone else in developed or developing world have it better
That is why we must focus on affordable college and training...why do you think there are so many Skilled immigrant visas?
besides taking jobs away from the current Indians, vietnamites and mexicans who are doing those jobs to bring them back here is as moralli bad as taking them away from 1980s , 1990's and 00's american workers. which will also make everything much more expensive again.
You "constantly" provide sources yet you never provided a single link when you claimed coal was cheaper and cleaner than other energy sources.
Marine Le Pen was France's version of Donald Trump. She would've been terrible for France.
yep and Macron was something that is very rare here. an actuall centrist which cannot exist here because of the electoral college
Erik_P posted...
You "constantly" provide sources yet you never provided a single link when you claimed coal was cheaper and cleaner than other energy sources.
No, I said that if another energy source was as cheap as coal while also being cleaner, it would be more widely used, which is a HUGE difference. And the source? The fact that we're still using coal. The drop for coal hasn't been any issue with coal itself, but instead government regulation designed to kill the industry which is why the big drop happened during the years when we had a president where repeated legislation was passed against it.
But don't let the truth get in the way of misrepresenting my claims so you can fight a strawman instead of the actual argument.
Erik_P posted...
Marine Le Pen was France's version of Donald Trump. She would've been terrible for France.
Except no on pretty much on every front. A Le Pen PMship would have meant fewer French terror attacks, improvements to domestic policy, and an emphasis on putting France first for a chance.
Metal_Gear_Link posted...
yep and Macron was something that is very rare here. an actuall centrist which cannot exist here because of the electoral college
lolwut? Again, he was the crony of a far-left PM who carried out that PM's dirty work. His strongly pro-EU stances -- including punishing the UK for opting out of the EU -- demonstrate how far left he is. The centrist claims are largely a fiction designed to trick gullible rubes.
According to Trump justice warriors everyone who is not far right is a leftist SJW....
He worked for a left wing party but formed a centrist party based on centrist policies changing party is common in countries where there are more than 2 prominent parties, stop trying to apply America's politics to every otehr countries
an actuall centrist which cannot exist here because of the electoral college
Metal_Gear_Link posted...
According to Trump justice warriors everyone who is not far right is a leftist SJW....
...what? The only so-called justice warriors are leftists because it's a moniker they adopted.
Metal_Gear_Link posted...
He worked for a left wing party but formed a centrist party based on centrist policies changing party is common in countries where there are more than 2 prominent parties, stop trying to apply America's politics to every otehr countries
Except no, his policies are very much in keeping with his far-left masters. He's not for anything truly conservative and only favors liberal causes, in addition to being the strongest advocate for the EU which is an overwhelmingly leftist institution given its redistributionary practices, immigration policies, etc
Also, returning to this:
Metal_Gear_Link posted...
an actuall centrist which cannot exist here because of the electoral college
It's not true in the last. First of all, the electoral has nothing to do with anything. Secondly, we MOSTLY get candidates closer to center each time. Excluding Jim Webb, Hillary was closer to center than her competitors on *most* issues (guns being the biggest exception). John McCain was an incredibly moderate candidate (based on his 2008 ratings, since then and before then he showed as harder right but, in general, he's frequently co-sponsored a lot of bills with democrats including iirc most of the bills Obama was involved in), who did lose to a more extreme opponent.
As for this election, the furthest left candidate was Bernie Sanders and the furthest right was Ted Cruz (and the most libertarian was Rand Paul). Neither secured a party nomination. Instead it went to Hillary Clinton, who notably suggested the smallest minimum wage increase of the remaining Dem candidates, and Donald Trump, who notably was the only leading candidate who said he wanted to retain parts of the ACA during a debate whereas his opponents -- Cruz and Rubio -- wanted it completely repealed (Kasich was, of course, softer but he hadn't been a serious candidate for a long time at that point since he had been mathematically eliminated)
Le pen lost
^The irony of that being that France remains under the thumb of Germany by staying in the EU.
^The irony of that being that France remains under the thumb of Germany by staying in the EU.
^The irony of that being that France remains under the thumb of Germany by staying in the EU.