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Rika_Furude
04/19/24 8:06:26 PM
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Horny games are fine. Its pretty much just American puritan culture which demonises it, but thats a culture which should be shunned and ignored
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ellis123
04/19/24 8:06:49 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Kotaku and ResetERA pretty much exist these days to make progressive gamers look bad while not actually representing them.
That's the joke. It's why chuds/coomers constantly bring them up as if they were the smoking gun that proved their point.

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Kaihedgie
04/19/24 8:15:17 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Horny games are fine. Its pretty much just American puritan culture which demonises it, but thats a culture which should be shunned and ignored
Except that's not what's happening here

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StealThisSheen
04/19/24 8:19:01 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Really most comments I see about Stellar blade are not from people claiming the character is too attractive and the game is bad, but from others claiming those people exist. It's almost like the act to protect the game is so strong they never even realized no one is attacking the game.

This is true, the more I think about it. I've barely seen anybody actually criticize the game, but I've seen a lot of people defending it from people supposedly attacking it.

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ellis123
04/19/24 8:26:04 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
This is true, the more I think about it. I've barely seen anybody actually criticize the game, but I've seen a lot of people defending it from people supposedly attacking it.
I mean, I have personally criticized its gameplay (I find it to be pretty bad) but it's not like that is something that Stellar Blade defenders actually have any interest in as they can't act morally superior to the complaints.

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Yazarogi
04/19/24 8:28:18 PM
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Stellar Blade looks mid.

It has nothing to do with the big booba MC

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StealThisSheen
04/19/24 8:31:33 PM
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ellis123 posted...
I mean, I have personally criticized its gameplay (I find it to be pretty bad) but it's not like that is something that Stellar Blade defenders actually have any interest in as they can't act morally superior to the complaints.

Oh, right, sorry. I meant specifically in the context of "horny bad, burn it with fire." I get your point, though.

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Prestoff
04/19/24 8:39:20 PM
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BakonBitz posted...
If the answer is obvious, explain Stellar Blade since that's the direct comparison here.

Really? I basically gave it away when I used my example of DoA to other fighting games. Eve in Stellar Blade was designed specifically to be sexualized, but and since she's basically going to be in the game majority of the time, it makes sense why the game gets the horny reputation. Aphrodite is also hyper sexualized as well, but she's barely in the game (if the first game is anything to go by) so it makes sense that Hades wouldn't get the reputation as badly as Stellar Blade. Granted, I never said the community wasn't horny (the subreddit can get horny) but just makes sense why one games gets the reputation more than the other. I would mention the other reason, the culture war, but someone else already made that argument so I won't have to go there either.

Beveren_Rabbit posted...
name a popular fighting game that doesn't have a horny reputation. rather it's a western or Asian studio the characters are mostly designed to be very attractive

Street Fighter, Tekken, Mortal Kombat series (MK9 did get it though). Basically any fighting game that isn't an "anime" fighter or DoA. If it's any consolation, Nier Automata did get the horny reputation when it was first introduced, but it was able to outclass it for just being a really good game. I enjoyed the gameplay in Stellar Blade (from the demo I played at my friends house) so maybe Stellar Blade being a "good game" might be able to do the same as well.

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StealThisSheen
04/19/24 8:46:26 PM
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Prestoff posted...
Street Fighter, Tekken, Mortal Kombat series (MK9 did get it though)

I think counting or discounting these depends entirely on how much "horny" needs to be in the game to get a "horny reputation."

Street Fighter, for example, has had Cammy since almost the beginning. Chun-Li is the definition of "thicc," R. Mika attacks with her butt, Elena wears barely anything, Juri is... Self-explanatory, etc.

Likewise, MK went SUPER horny in the 3D era, starting with Deadly Alliance, since all of the women wore next to nothing. If anything, they dialed it back from 9 onward.

Tekken's been the least of the three, for sure. Nina's the closest to being a "horny" character, since she regularly wears tight costumes with her boobs nearly hanging out. Anna is also arguably "horny," but... That's literally the intent of her character, and it's done so obviously and in mostly a comedic fashion that most people don't even really consider her, for the subject.

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deoxxys
04/19/24 11:17:10 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Kotaku and ResetERA pretty much exist these days to make progressive gamers look bad while not actually representing them.

ResetERA almost feels like controlled opposition. That it exists to give the worst leftist SJW perspective imaginable just to fuel the fire for conservatives. I know that's not true and they are just idiots with bad takes.
Except that's the kind of people they're hiring for the consulting firms, sooooo..... yyyeah

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Board_hunter567
04/20/24 1:33:57 AM
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BakonBitz posted...
If the answer is obvious, explain Stellar Blade since that's the direct comparison here.
This is like asking somebody to explain sarcasm to them and how to identify it.

How do you know somebody is being sarcastic when they say "Oh, I can't wait?" Taken literally, they're saying they can't wait, but because they said it in a funny or dry way you know they mean the opposite. And while it's sometimes difficult, you can determine if somebody is being sarcastic via writing. So, context is key...but how did we come to associate a funny way of speaking means you're saying the opposite? When did we pick up on that in our lives? Where or when did the concept even originate? Chances are you can't remember and never even thought about it, because it's something you just knew. Sometimes, "Oh, I can't wait," means the opposite of "Oh, I can't wait," and that concept makes literally no sense if you don't apply critical thinking and life experience.

In the same way, at some point you realized some things are meant to be slightly tantalizing and some things are meant to be extremely tantalizing. Even if it can't be easily put into words I know you know what the difference is, so quit pretending. Just shut up and eat your food.

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BakonBitz
04/20/24 1:37:56 AM
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Alright, but MY point being is that a sexy character is a sexy character. Trying to put any sort of deeper meaning on how one is "more acceptable" than the other is a fool's errand because at the end of the day you're ogling at an attractive character.

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Mad-Dogg
04/20/24 2:12:10 AM
#63:


I'm feelin' a little horny right now.
https://i.imgur.com/fSBu1Ip.gifv

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Board_hunter567
04/20/24 2:17:10 AM
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BakonBitz posted...
Alright, but MY point being is that a sexy character is a sexy character. Trying to put any sort of deeper meaning on how one is "more acceptable" than the other is a fool's errand because at the end of the day you're ogling at an attractive character.
And my point is this isn't the gotcha you think it is. It comes across as disingenuous, unless you really can't instinctively pick up on subtle and not-so-subtle nuances and you truly find the tantalizing nature of these games to be identical on the basis of having attractive and provocative characters. If that's the case, then my bad because I can't sufficiently explain it even if I had all the time in the world. And if you think that's a cop out then I think you know more about nuance then you're letting on.

Man, never thought I'd be sympathizing with mods. There's just no way they can define what hornyposting is without people intentionally misconstruing it, even if they knew exactly what it is.

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bobbycorwin
04/20/24 2:24:47 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
This is true, the more I think about it. I've barely seen anybody actually criticize the game, but I've seen a lot of people defending it from people supposedly attacking it.

Sadly I used to follow those kinds of people. One thing I noticed as I was getting out of it is that what they would normally be reacting to is Twitter posts with maybe 2 followers and they would pretend it was what the entire left believed.

I think they troll social media just looking for that one post from anybody that gives them the position they want to argue against. It works to drive engagement.

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BakonBitz
04/20/24 2:38:41 AM
#66:


Board_hunter567 posted...
And my point is this isn't the gotcha you think it is. It comes across as disingenuous, unless you really can't instinctively pick up on subtle and not-so-subtle nuances and you truly find the tantalizing nature of these games to be identical on the basis of having attractive and provocative characters. If that's the case, then my bad because I can't sufficiently explain it even if I had all the time in the world. And if you think that's a cop out then I think you know more about nuance then you're letting on.

Man, never thought I'd be sympathizing with mods. There's just no way they can define what hornyposting is without people intentionally misconstruing it, even if they knew exactly what it is.
I was moreso trying to get him to explain why Stellar Blade is supposedly "overtly horny" compared to Hades II. He sorta did, but it seems to boil down to "Aphrodite is supposed to be that way" and that she's a side character, without even knowing if Eve was intentionally designed that way in-universe or if it was literally just for fanservice. Which I don't mind either way, as no matter what meaning you give a character to look the way they do, it was mostly designed to appeal to the players visually.

I really do see the issue as black and white, really. Aphrodite being excused because her design has a reason yet Quiet's design from MGSV having a reason is shamed or joked with. Make it make sense to me, lmao.

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KajeI
04/20/24 5:37:49 AM
#67:


BakonBitz posted...
I really do see the issue as black and white, really. Aphrodite being excused because her design has a reason yet Quiet's design from MGSV having a reason is shamed or joked with. Make it make sense to me, lmao.
Because one is supposed to represent the platonic ideal of the concept of beauty itself and the other one's just a hot lady because Kojima likes hot ladies, and then when called on it he tried to justify/shame it with "when you hear why she wears that you will regret your words and deeds" or whatever and then the reason turned out to be one of the dumbest things anyone's ever heard and not a single person felt bad about it because it was always exactly what it seemed. At least when Yoko Taro was called on it over 2B he was honest and just said "because I like hot women" instead of trying to feign some deep meaning behind it, which is why he didn't get slammed for it like Kojima did.

This is like ya'll saying those statues of naked dudes and women in art museums are equivalent to looking at pictures of pornstars because both are nude people that people objectify.

(Actually the better example would be pictures/videos of super models at those insanely high end fashion shows where all the outfits look dumb as hell because they're avant garde or whatever VS pictures/videos of pornstars doing pornstar things, but whatever.)

Now for my entertainment, let's throw in ya'll thoughts on 2B and Bayonetta and how they stack up against Eve and Aphrodite in this conversation. If you want to make a clownshow for real we can throw Ivy and Sophitia in too.

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Sufferedphoenix
04/20/24 5:43:21 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
There's a character in Hades 2 that's completely naked with her private areas covered with her long hair. I'd post a screen of it but, y'know.

I was told by a mod we can post official artwork or game screen shots just can't make any sorta sexual comments about it.

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KajeI
04/20/24 5:49:23 AM
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Anyway here's the difference on Hades 2 and Stellar Blade.

In Hades 2 Aphrodite is gonna have maybe 3 still images, and some "aw jeez she's real hot/pretty/whatever" dialogue from whatever the MC's name is, most/all of which will be completely avoidable. Though who knows maybe this MC will be hornier than Zag was and we'll get more spicy comments from them if you give Aphrodite a bunch of gifts or something.

In Stellar Blade you WILL, unavoidably, get many cutscenes with "gratuitous" body shots of Eve+whoever where the camera ogles them, because the designers/writers have fetishes and really want you to know it, much like Bayonetta.

There were similar discussions with 2B before release, but the camera work and way she's treated by the game itself are very rarely horny, which is why that discussion basically died after the game released. I mean hell, A2 pretty much IS naked and I bet that's news to most of the people reading this.

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deoxxys
04/20/24 6:01:32 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
I was told by a mod we can post official artwork or game screen shots just can't make any sorta sexual comments about it.
No more h***ing s****ers

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Zwijn
04/20/24 7:16:50 AM
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deoxxys posted...
https://youtu.be/qz5MBFMtXA4?t=30
The worst people.... As if people vehemently against it aren't saying nasty things like this
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CountCorvinus
04/20/24 7:32:30 AM
#73:


Smashingpmkns posted...
But only Stellar Blade seems to be getting negative coverage over the horniness.

It's really not. Gamergate chuds found like one or two articles and made it seem like there was this massive PC outrage. Nobody cared.

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creativerealms
04/20/24 1:51:44 PM
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Incels hate women though. Stella Blade is Isn't targeting people.who hate all women.


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ellis123
04/20/24 1:55:29 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Incels hate women though. Stella Blade is Isn't targeting people.who hate all women.
Incels hate real life women. They love video game (especially anime-stylized) ones.

Stella Blade may not be targeting only incels, but it is very much targeting them.

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creativerealms
04/20/24 2:27:27 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Incels hate real life women. They love video game (especially anime-stylized) ones.

Stella Blade may not be targeting only incels, but it is very much targeting them.
Horn dogs =/= incels. But yeah I agree fictional women are the only type they tolerate.

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deoxxys
04/20/24 6:12:01 PM
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Zwijn posted...
Chud tag posting asmongold reacting to ragebait chud vids. Why are you even here? You fit better on the PS5 board.
Lmao I can't take anyone seriously that uses chud unironically.

CE is my home, I don't even have a PlayStation 5.

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deoxxys
04/20/24 6:14:56 PM
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More like theyre based as fuck. I remember when they fired those nosy nancys who were trying to make the company more regressive. Its funny hearing gamefaqs posters say similar things to what IGN France said about the creator never seeing a woman before and then he posts a picture of his beautiful wife who's working on the game

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Turbam
04/20/24 6:24:27 PM
#79:


The difference between the two is that Hades 2 is a day one purchase for me and Stellar Blade is a wait for a discount one

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ssb_yunglink2
04/20/24 7:43:59 PM
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I mean i havent heard a single person say theyre gonna buy Hades specifically because Aphrodite is naked.

On the other hand, ive seen a concerning amount of people praising Stellar Blade for being courageous enough to have hot woman and saying theyre going to buy it because the main character is hot.


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creativerealms
04/20/24 7:51:40 PM
#82:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
I mean i havent heard a single person say theyre gonna buy Hades specifically because Aphrodite is naked.

On the other hand, ive seen a concerning amount of people praising Stellar Blade for being courageous enough to have hot woman and saying theyre going to buy it because the main character is hot.
Those people likely won't even play Stella Blade, they are simply using that game to show how bad Western Games are.

Which is funny since Hades is a western developed game, made in California.

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deoxxys
04/20/24 8:10:15 PM
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Not sure really how we got from appreciating attractive women to one of the most notorious and deplorable racist groups in American history.

It is based however, that they fired two toxic feminists* for complaining to the shareholders about fan service.

*That's how they self identified on social media and give that as the "reason" they were fired and claimed that they were victims


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deoxxys
04/20/24 8:17:25 PM
#84:


creativerealms posted...
Those people likely won't even play Stella Blade, they are simply using that game to show how bad Western Games are.

Which is funny since Hades is a western developed game, made in California.
Ugh please Stellar Blade not Stella.

Yeah I probably won't play it unless it's a great game but it's still fabulous that a company with a AAA budget is bothering to put actual diverse bodies in a game rather then planks of wood.

Also the complaints are usually about AAA studios not indie studios comprising of 16 people. Supergiant games is one THE best game studios in existence not controlled by a corporate entity or shareholders with a long history of fun, quality games like Bastion, Transistor, Pyre and now Hades. I'm super surprised they actually made a sequel.

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creativerealms
04/20/24 8:23:00 PM
#85:


I could have sworn it was Stella. But looking you are right. I must have been Mandala effected and traveled to an alternate reality.

My mistake.

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deoxxys
04/20/24 9:00:42 PM
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Okay and how did shift up promote incels?

I did just assume you are one more person trying to say they were sexist for featuring fan service

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Zwijn
04/20/24 9:02:21 PM
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deoxxys posted...
Lmao I can't take anyone seriously that uses chud unironically.

CE is my home, I don't even have a PlayStation 5.
I didnt say you did, I said youd fit right in on that board.
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deoxxys
04/20/24 9:40:28 PM
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My bad

What should I tag you as then? The big sex?

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ellis123
04/20/24 9:44:46 PM
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deoxxys posted...
My bad

What should I tag you as then? The big sex?
Giggety.

You know, like the thing that Quagmire says when he's doing something overtly horny.

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ellis123
04/20/24 10:08:01 PM
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If you are being serious than that is pretty sad.

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deoxxys
04/20/24 10:26:56 PM
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I guess you don't have any strong input on it I'll use giggity.

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legendarylemur
04/22/24 1:15:46 AM
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I mean I was on the Korean forums at the time, and the most upvoted comments were extremely sexist comments about how females don't deserve human rights, but I don't go around like bookmarking that shit.

https://twitter.com/NotHaru47/status/1694510633964949871

I didn't have to look all that hard. They aren't even the only company to fire feminists to appease incels. This shit happened on like 3 different other Korean companies that I can think of.

Also you can just google the fact that Shift Up is partially owned by Tencent and has a deal with the Saudis to localize their games to there, in exchange for heavily censoring anything that might heavily coincide with their beliefs.

Not too sure what the disagreement is here. Trying to be on a higher moral ground so you can buy a coomer bait game in peace? Nah dude

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