Board 8 > Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia Topic 6 - A New Day

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UltimaterializerX posted...

I mean its not totally his fault. Replacing into scum blows and in my view Lopen claimed scum with that gladiator quip.

Uh oh, I'm back to thinking Ulti is scum.

This is an oddly specific detail to remember as town, but would have been very memorable to scum ulti

Hi sbell. Give me scum besides ulti please

##unvote
Although yeah, that would be kinda dumb to announce. Damn it, can I get one game where I'm not passively detrimental?
##vote: Arti
Time to bust out that 4 hour gladiator your progenitor claimed.

masterplum posted...

Uh oh, I'm back to thinking Ulti is scum.

This is an oddly specific detail to remember as town, but would have been very memorable to scum ulti

I remember it too tho.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Good place to start that we know his flavor is legit yeah

We know his Pokemon flavor (of which we have host confirmed nonexistent split) is confirmed.

So Ulti told 1 truth.

...well, must be town, forget everything else.

Obellisk posted...

What's the counter argument against ulti being scum?

He was scanned by two players as Mewtwo? ...and?

Depends on Arti flips scum. We know Arti has a flavor cop scan of some sort, since he got the exact same text that HB got. And that's notable since anyone could fake "Mewtwo", but "the Genetic Pokmon" subtitle is oddly specific. At least, my flavor didn't come with a subtitle like that.

If Arti is a scum flavor cop, why would you waste it on your teammate?

Ulti could be scum if Arti is a town flavor cop, though, assuming HB isn't a scum flavor cop (which he is practically guaranteed not to be scum).

Sbell we can only lynch one scum a day. Are you ok?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I disagree. Corrik claimed a cop scan on HIM and he claims to have forgotten it? That is absurd in thinking process for a town member.

To be honest, I did forget. But I looked at Corrik claiming the scan, figuring he was lying as always and didn't bother saying anything about it. Seeing people actually believe him was quite the surprise.

htaeD posted...

I remember it too tho.

I could be projecting.

It's why I go on adventures. I see things that look weird to me and I throw them out to see if I'm off base

At this rate the day will end during my sleep. (Which I really should start)

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I disagree. Corrik claimed a cop scan on HIM and he claims to have forgotten it? That is absurd in thinking process for a town member.

oh that's true actually. i didn't consider that wrinkle. Corrik wasn't exactly a random town member to Arti like he was from my perspective. In fact that lends further suspicion as to not scanning Corrik, which would be the logical move.

More suggestion that this is just a suicide I guess. Arti, perhaps you could comment on why you didn't choose Corrik?

masterplum posted...

I could be projecting.

It's why I go on adventures. I see things that look weird to me and I throw them out to see if I'm off base

Cool to hear you think I am town.

ninja'd

masterplum posted...

Uh oh, I'm back to thinking Ulti is scum.

This is an oddly specific detail to remember as town, but would have been very memorable to scum ulti

People have been remembering this all game and I don't know why. It seemed obvious to me that Lopen was just referencing the previous game and didn't actually have the role.

Let's think about this a little more. Scum only suicides like Arti would be doing if they were really desperate. What could make them so desperate? I'm seeing a possibility that both Lea AND Arti, both in Chris's POE for the next day's likely lynches, are both scum, making Arti panic when he saw me report my scan on Ulti.

Arti posted...

To be honest, I did forget. But I looked at Corrik claiming the scan, figuring he was lying as always and didn't bother saying anything about it. Seeing people actually believe him was quite the surprise.

'Figured he was lying' is not how a town member who knows they don't scan as scum phrases this arti. Good night sweet prince.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hi sbell. Give me scum besides ulti please

oh, no. I found you 1. I'll hit it home till it's dead.

I was no where near helping with sheep or Ben.

I did know corrik was town, but alot that does now, right?

htaeD posted...

Cool to hear you think I am town.

You haven't said anything of note yet that I've picked up!

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sbell we can only lynch one scum a day. Are you ok?

Wanna kill arti, by all means. lopen has literally been scum every game we've ever played together. wouldn't be surprised.

But I stand by my read.

Kirby321 posted...

Depends on Arti flips scum. We know Arti has a flavor cop scan of some sort, since he got the exact same text that HB got. And that's notable since anyone could fake "Mewtwo", but "the Genetic Pokmon" subtitle is oddly specific. At least, my flavor didn't come with a subtitle like that.

If Arti is a scum flavor cop, why would you waste it on your teammate?

I mean if Ulti is scum, Arti wouldnt need to scan him to know his full flavor...

Genetic Pokemon is literally Mewtwo's official category, of which he is the only one.
I assume its just added flavor for the cops to find

Obellisk posted...

Wanna kill arti, by all means. lopen has literally been scum every game we've ever played together. wouldn't be surprised.

But I stand by my read.

That's fine. But even if you are right about ulti and arti there are two scum left. Try to be more robust

Count mewtwo fits as well as venomoff gideon

htaeD posted...

I mean if Ulti is scum, Arti wouldnt need to scan him to know his full flavor...

It's not the flavor that's in question, it's the specific wording of "the Genetic Pokemon". My role PM doesn't call me "Anorith, the Old Shrimp Pokemon", for example, and neither do any of the other Pokemon flips we've seen. The only way for Arti to know that classification was included in the scan is if he did a legitimate scan.

In short, if Arti is scum, it makes it near-impossible Ulti is also scum.

For instance Corrik would probably be Alakazam the Psychic Power Pokmon

Hbthebattle posted...

Let's think about this a little more. Scum only suicides like Arti would be doing if they were really desperate. What could make them so desperate? I'm seeing a possibility that both Lea AND Arti, both in Chris's POE for the next day's likely lynches, are both scum, making Arti panic when he saw me report my scan on Ulti.

Either they're completely panicking or this somehow conceals or protects someone else. I don't think this helps Lea in any meaningful way I can see.

Would be funny if they scanned ulti so arti Could come in with a flavor ready and then hb did this lol

Hbthebattle posted...

It's not the flavor that's in question, it's the specific wording of "the Genetic Pokemon". My role PM doesn't call me "Anorith, the Old Shrimp Pokemon", for example, and neither do any of the other Pokemon flips we've seen. The only way for Arti to know that classification was included in the scan is if he did a legitimate scan.

In short, if Arti is scum, it makes it near-impossible Ulti is also scum.

Oh I see what you mean now. Somehow I was already arguing for your POV without realizing it.
Though to be fair they could have scanned someone else and gotten their category result so they knew what to fake for a scan.

But I am not considering that to be super likely.

Arti posted...

Gun to my head I'd say the scum team is

Ben, Kirby, Corrik, Ulti, and MZero

and since there might be a gun pointed at my head tonight, that's what I've got! I've elaborated on many of them over the last few pages.

It would amuse me if Kirby was scum because I feel like if arti is scum claiming a scan on Kirby makes much more sense than a town ulti who was suspected.

htaeD posted...

Oh I see what you mean now. Somehow I was already arguing for your POV without realizing it.
Though to be fair they could have scanned someone else and gotten their category result so they knew what to fake for a scan.

But I am not considering that to be super likely.

Actually this is also very likely tbf. Deaths point is incredibly valid here.

Anyway, the votals

d1
[11] Sheep: Kirby, (Chris), (Ben), plum, (Chris), (Lea), Hb, Death, Chris, JC, IGCD, Ben, Arti/Lopen, Sultan, chang
[3] Ben: (Chris), (Sultan), (Arti/Lopen), Sheep, (Chris), Ulti, ViolentAbacus
[1] Chris: Corrik, (Sultan), (IGCD)
[1] Isquen: (Arti/Lopen), (Lea), MZero, (IGCD)
[1] IGCD: Isquen
[0] Corrik: (IGCD), (Ben)
[0] Lea: (Hb)
[0] No Lynch: (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Kirby: (Plum), (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Plum: (Scare), (Sheep)
[0] Arti/Lopen: (Isquen), (Isquen), (IGCD)
[0] chang: (SBell), (Chris), (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Death: (Sheep)
[0] Ulti: (MZero)
[0] Sultan: (Isquen)

No vote: Red
No vote at end: Lea, SBell, Scare

d2
[7] Ben: (Hb), (Ulti), Sultan, Chris, Ulti, Kirby, Isquen, Plum, Chang
[1] Arti: (Isquen), (Ulti), Ben
[1] Ulti: (Isquen), SBell, (Ben)
[1] Chris: (Ulti), Corrik
[0] Red: (Plum)
[0] Lea: (Arti)
[0] Corrik: (Ulti), (Isquen)
[0] Abacus: (Ulti)

No vote: Death, JC, Lea, MZero, Red, Scare, ViolentAbacus
No vote at end: Arti, Hb

Head count please -

Do you think Lea is scum yes or no? Let's move past arti who just got hit by a critical strike stone edge from a tyranitar

Scum it is. Who are all the useless lumps? Keep in mind we have a total of 3 scum left

id say that yeah, Lea's scum.

So taking into account Corrik's flip and my night scan, I have the following before reading anything

Town
me
Death
Hbthebattle
Isquen
Lea
Plum
Scare
Sultan
Ulti

Scum
Kirby
MZero

???
JC
Changmas
Red13n
SBell
Chris
ViolentAbacus

Arti posted...

So taking into account Corrik's flip and my night scan, I have the following before reading anything

Town
me
Death
Hbthebattle
Isquen
Lea
Plum
Scare
Sultan
Ulti

Scum
Kirby
MZero

???
JC
Changmas
Red13n
SBell
Chris
ViolentAbacus

The audacity of this bird

interesting that you have chris in ??? despite skewering multiple scum, including a strongman/extra kill and a pseudo-roleblocker

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Scum it is. Who are all the useless lumps? Keep in mind we have a total of 3 scum left

MZero, JC, and Red have all been very inactive over the last two days.

We only really have Lea's day 1 fake claims, which were joking, and IIRC, she was just as absent day 2? I kind of agree with Ulti, there. Scummish but there are too many other people unaccounted for.

UltimaterializerX posted...

1. Chaeix (JC)
2. Lea
3. MZero
4. Red13n
5. SBell
6. Scare

No one on this list has done anything of note for the entire game.

I feel like Lea has contributed much more than everyone else in this list.

Hbthebattle posted...

interesting that you have chris in ??? despite skewering multiple scum, including a strongman/extra kill and a pseudo-roleblocker

I don't think I will ever get rid of being suspicious of Chris, regardless of how well he has played

UltimaterializerX posted...

When she does post, and it's rare, it all fluff.

Hm. Disagree. I find this opinion odd since she attacked sbell today. Ulti I am concerned.

Arti posted...

list

Could you explain any of those, particularly why you think MZero and Kirby are scum, and why you think Lea is town?

Anyway, I'm leaning scum towards Lea but depending on how Arti flips I could lean more town.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


If Arti is actually town, then I could see this as a sign that Lea is actually town. And vice versa.

Why is cop considered weaker on Pokemon nights? I'm missing something there. Lea said it, and multiple people affirmed it so obviously it's true, but I'm missing why.

Scare has shown up a few times with an ultra-paranoid demeanor, which is... in character? Overly forced? I can't quite put my finger on it.

Isquen posted...

We only really have Lea's day 1 fake claims, which were joking, and IIRC, she was just as absent day 2? I kind of agree with Ulti, there. Scummish but there are too many other people unaccounted for.

I actually thought her answers on day two to the many questions presented to her were very well thought out, and were definitely from a town perspective. There really doesn't seem to be a well thought case on her to be honest.

Scare is on the struggle bus but luckily for him I think I have a pinpoint read of sheep and I don't think that's scum on scum