Board 8 > Just in case you thought Cyberpunk couldn't get delayed again

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andylt 10/27/20 6:29:16 PM #51:	UltimaterializerX posted... I'm just going to say it out loud. Every profession has a form of "crunch". These devs need to stop bitching or GTFO. If you choose to be a tax accountant, you don't get to bitch about your hours from February through April. It comes with the job. My crunch happens every 6 months or so. If you're a gaming developer, your hours will suck in the months leading up to release. Deal with it. ??? Are workers not entitled to demand fair treatment? Should everyone just accept being mistreated because others suffer too? I'm by no means an expert on this topic but your outlook seems needlessly cruel. This isn't people whining about a bit of overtime, by all accounts this is a really serious issue of exploitation by pretty much all the major companies. Crunch is not a mandatory part of game development, it only exists because of greedy execs wanting to meet their own self-imposed deadlines so they can get a bigger bonus, and they can get away with it because the gaming industry is an absolute mess and nobody is unionised. https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1321140689309175808 Not to mention CDPR already said they wouldn't be enforcing crunch on this game, then went back on it a year later. --- Congrats to azuarc, Guru Champion 2020! <cite>andylt posted [p:946380397] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite> <quote>I'm just going to say it out loud. Every profession has a form of "crunch". These devs need to stop bitching or GTFO. If you choose to be a tax accountant, you don't get to bitch about your hours from February through April. It comes with the job. My crunch happens every 6 months or so. If you're a gaming developer, your hours will suck in the months leading up to release. Deal with it.</quote> ??? Are workers not entitled to demand fair treatment? Should everyone just accept being mistreated because others suffer too? I'm by no means an expert on this topic but your outlook seems needlessly cruel. This isn't people whining about a bit of overtime, by all accounts this is a really serious issue of exploitation by pretty much all the major companies. Crunch is not a mandatory part of game development, it only exists because of greedy execs wanting to meet their own self-imposed deadlines so they can get a bigger bonus, and they can get away with it because the gaming industry is an absolute mess and nobody is unionised. https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1321140689309175808 Not to mention CDPR already said they wouldn't be enforcing crunch on this game, then went back on it a year later. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 10/27/20 6:32:32 PM #52:	Nah, ulti is kind of right here. Video game development is a terrible profession for work life balance. This isn't a secret. I wouldn't touch video games with a ten foot pole. Source: Developer at an insurance company --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:946380519] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>Nah, ulti is kind of right here. Video game development is a terrible profession for work life balance. This isn't a secret. I wouldn't touch video games with a ten foot pole. Source: Developer at an insurance company </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 10/27/20 6:35:28 PM #53:	And to add to that lol at the idea of unions in video game development, a skill that requires zero formal training and may be literally the easiest profession to outsource. Video game developers have terrible hours because 21 year olds fresh out of college want to work on video games and are willing to do 80 hour weeks because they have no families and because video games --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:946380628] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>And to add to that lol at the idea of unions in video game development, a skill that requires zero formal training and may be literally the easiest profession to outsource. Video game developers have terrible hours because 21 year olds fresh out of college want to work on video games and are willing to do 80 hour weeks because they have no families and because video games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 10/27/20 6:37:39 PM #54:	masterplum posted... And to add to that lol at the idea of unions in video game development, a skill that requires zero formal training and may be literally the easiest profession to outsource. Video game developers have terrible hours because 21 year olds fresh out of college want to work on video games and are willing to do 80 hour weeks because they have no families and because video games So video game developers have terrible working conditions because they're being exploited, but unions are lolworthy --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:946380702] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>And to add to that lol at the idea of unions in video game development, a skill that requires zero formal training and may be literally the easiest profession to outsource. Video game developers have terrible hours because 21 year olds fresh out of college want to work on video games and are willing to do 80 hour weeks because they have no families and because video games</quote> So video game developers have terrible working conditions because they're being exploited, but unions are lolworthy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/27/20 6:39:29 PM #55:	Yeah, those are some... Interesting takes. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:946380767] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, those are some... Interesting takes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 10/27/20 6:40:41 PM #56:	Unions would be literally impossible. They are being exploited because there are thousands of college grads who would gladly take their place because they grew up loving the witcher. The second they unionized they would shut it down and hire non union labor. From anywhere --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:946380808] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>Unions would be literally impossible. They are being exploited because there are thousands of college grads who would gladly take their place because they grew up loving the witcher. The second they unionized they would shut it down and hire non union labor. From anywhere </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 10/27/20 6:41:31 PM #57:	masterplum posted... And to add to that lol at the idea of unions in video game development, a skill that requires zero formal training and may be literally the easiest profession to outsource. Video game developers have terrible hours because 21 year olds fresh out of college want to work on video games and are willing to do 80 hour weeks because they have no families and because video games where do you get the idea that its all fresh out of college people almost any time I see an opening at Netherrealm or Iron Galaxy around here theyre looking for people with a bunch of experience already with specific types of college degrees. Theyre not hiring kids with no formal training. --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:946380846] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted...</cite> <quote>And to add to that lol at the idea of unions in video game development, a skill that requires zero formal training and may be literally the easiest profession to outsource. Video game developers have terrible hours because 21 year olds fresh out of college want to work on video games and are willing to do 80 hour weeks because they have no families and because video games </quote> where do you get the idea that its all fresh out of college people almost any time I see an opening at Netherrealm or Iron Galaxy around here theyre looking for people with a bunch of experience already with specific types of college degrees. Theyre not hiring kids with no formal training.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 10/27/20 6:42:19 PM #58:	You know in school when everything is ruined by the kid who reminds the teacher they forgot to collect homework? Those are fresh video game developers. They have no family. They are willing to work 80 hours, and so that's the baseline. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:946380872] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>You know in school when everything is ruined by the kid who reminds the teacher they forgot to collect homework? Those are fresh video game developers. They have no family. They are willing to work 80 hours, and so that's the baseline. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 10/27/20 6:45:27 PM #59:	https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5603329/e3-video-game-creators-union/%3famp=true Theres a belief in the games industry that working in it is a privilege, and that you should be willing to do whatever it takes to stay there, --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:946381000] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5603329/e3-video-game-creators-union/%3famp=true Theres a belief in the games industry that working in it is a privilege, and that you should be willing to do whatever it takes to stay there, </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 10/27/20 6:46:25 PM #60:	You've certainly got some takes, sir. --- ACAB <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:946381044] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>You've certainly got some takes, sir. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
charmander6000 10/27/20 6:47:00 PM #61:	If grocery store workers can unionize so can video game developers. If you think any video game company can survive by firing their entire staff and rehiring non-union new people then you are crazy. Like imagine a film studio doing that... --- Congratulations to azuarc for winning the guru challenge <cite>charmander6000 posted [p:946381073] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>If grocery store workers can unionize so can video game developers. If you think any video game company can survive by firing their entire staff and rehiring non-union new people then you are crazy. Like imagine a film studio doing that... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/27/20 6:48:44 PM #62:	Also, yeah, this idea that companies just randomly hire people with no formal training/experience is pretty bizarre. Bigger companies aren't even going to look at you if you don't have adequate training or a good portfolio behind you. Even the company I work for that is a smaller web and mobile app development company runs its own training programs and will hire you only if you don't suck. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:946381132] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>Also, yeah, this idea that companies just randomly hire people with no formal training/experience is pretty bizarre. Bigger companies aren't even going to look at you if you don't have adequate training or a good portfolio behind you. Even the company I work for that is a smaller web and mobile app development company runs its own training programs and will hire you only if you don't suck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 10/27/20 6:48:46 PM #63:	charmander6000 posted... If grocery store workers can unionize so can video game developers. You don't understand the logistics of unionization. There are two huge differences Grocery store workers can't do their job from India Nobody is trying to break into the grocery store business and dreams about it --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:946381134] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>charmander6000 posted... </cite> <quote>If grocery store workers can unionize so can video game developers. </quote> You don't understand the logistics of unionization. There are two huge differences Grocery store workers can't do their job from IndiaNobody is trying to break into the grocery store business and dreams about it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
charmander6000 10/27/20 6:49:56 PM #64:	Fair points, now what about the film industry? --- Congratulations to azuarc for winning the guru challenge <cite>charmander6000 posted [p:946381176] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>Fair points, now what about the film industry? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 10/27/20 6:49:58 PM #65:	StealThisSheen posted... Also, yeah, this idea that companies just randomly hire people with no formal training/experience is pretty bizarre. Bigger companies aren't even going to look at you if you don't have adequate training or a good portfolio behind you. I have hired developers before. There are times when we would have given a sack of flour an interview it was so hard to find someone --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:946381177] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite> <quote>Also, yeah, this idea that companies just randomly hire people with no formal training/experience is pretty bizarre. Bigger companies aren't even going to look at you if you don't have adequate training or a good portfolio behind you.</quote> I have hired developers before. There are times when we would have given a sack of flour an interview it was so hard to find someone </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 10/27/20 6:50:37 PM #66:	masterplum posted... https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5603329/e3-video-game-creators-union/%3famp=true Theres a belief in the games industry that working in it is a privilege, and that you should be willing to do whatever it takes to stay there, theres obviously also a competing belief that the crunch is bad, and theyre right. they just need to work on getting through to the ones who are ok with being exploited. --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:946381208] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5603329/e3-video-game-creators-union/%3famp=true Theres a belief in the games industry that working in it is a privilege, and that you should be willing to do whatever it takes to stay there, </quote> theres obviously also a competing belief that the crunch is bad, and theyre right. they just need to work on getting through to the ones who are ok with being exploited.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/27/20 6:51:15 PM #67:	masterplum posted... I have hired developers before. There are times when we would have given a sack of flour an interview it was so hard to find someone Okay but I can tell you that is absolutely not standard across the industry. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:946381231] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>I have hired developers before. There are times when we would have given a sack of flour an interview it was so hard to find someone</quote> Okay but I can tell you that is absolutely not standard across the industry. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 10/27/20 6:51:40 PM #68:	charmander6000 posted... Fair points, now what about the film industry? I honestly don't know enough about the film industry. I imagine it is partially due to how old the union is and how it came about in days when unions were more frequent. And you still can't outsource actors --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:946381248] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>charmander6000 posted... </cite> <quote>Fair points, now what about the film industry?</quote> I honestly don't know enough about the film industry. I imagine it is partially due to how old the union is and how it came about in days when unions were more frequent. And you still can't outsource actors </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 10/27/20 6:52:54 PM #69:	masterplum posted... I honestly don't know enough about the film industry. I imagine it is partially due to how old the union is and how it came about in days when unions were more frequent. And you still can't outsource actors you can totally outsource actors. we have a British guy playing Spider-Man --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:946381284] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted...</cite> <quote> I honestly don't know enough about the film industry. I imagine it is partially due to how old the union is and how it came about in days when unions were more frequent. And you still can't outsource actors </quote> you can totally outsource actors. we have a British guy playing Spider-Man</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 10/27/20 6:52:58 PM #70:	MoogleKupo141 posted... theres obviously also a competing belief that the crunch is bad, and theyre right. they just need to work on getting through to the ones who are ok with being exploited. Oh I agree with this. I'm not anti union. I'm pro pragmatism. When people say unions will solve the problem they are missing the big picture which you just nailed --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:946381288] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>MoogleKupo141 posted... </cite> <quote>theres obviously also a competing belief that the crunch is bad, and theyre right. they just need to work on getting through to the ones who are ok with being exploited.</quote> Oh I agree with this. I'm not anti union. I'm pro pragmatism. When people say unions will solve the problem they are missing the big picture which you just nailed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
charmander6000 10/27/20 6:53:13 PM #71:	masterplum posted... I honestly don't know enough about the film industry. I imagine it is partially due to how old the union is and how it came about in days when unions were more frequent. And you still can't outsource actors Sure you can, do you know how many people want to be an actor? More than the number of people who want to develop video games. --- Congratulations to azuarc for winning the guru challenge <cite>charmander6000 posted [p:946381294] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>I honestly don't know enough about the film industry. I imagine it is partially due to how old the union is and how it came about in days when unions were more frequent. And you still can't outsource actors</quote> Sure you can, do you know how many people want to be an actor? More than the number of people who want to develop video games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 10/27/20 6:53:51 PM #72:	MoogleKupo141 posted... you can totally outsource actors. we have a British guy playing Spider-Man I meant from location. Movie unions are powerful because of the extras and such not the one off stars --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:946381325] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>MoogleKupo141 posted... </cite> <quote>you can totally outsource actors. we have a British guy playing Spider-Man</quote> I meant from location. Movie unions are powerful because of the extras and such not the one off stars </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/27/20 6:53:54 PM #73:	We used to outsource work and we got shitty results so we stopped doing it. It was fine when we were making and trying to sell our own apps, but when we actually started getting big name clients, outsourcing didn't get us the quality or reliability we needed in the slightest. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:946381328] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>We used to outsource work and we got shitty results so we stopped doing it. It was fine when we were making and trying to sell our own apps, but when we actually started getting big name clients, outsourcing didn't get us the quality or reliability we needed in the slightest. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 10/27/20 6:56:05 PM #74:	A google found me this https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2007/11/why-are-hollywo.html Seems like in movies powerful people prop up the unions. Idk. I'm a developer not a movie producer --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:946381423] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>A google found me this https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2007/11/why-are-hollywo.html Seems like in movies powerful people prop up the unions. Idk. I'm a developer not a movie producer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/27/20 6:57:13 PM #75:	Basically, the point is yeah, it's easy to outsource and find crappy workers that are willing to be exploited, but you're much less likely to end up with quality work and a quality product. That's why bigger companies in the industry don't just hire Joe Schmoe fresh out of high school with no experience. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:946381468] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>Basically, the point is yeah, it's easy to outsource and find crappy workers that are willing to be exploited, but you're much less likely to end up with quality work and a quality product. That's why bigger companies in the industry don't just hire Joe Schmoe fresh out of high school with no experience. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 10/27/20 6:58:02 PM #76:	I also think you are drastically underestimating the value of consistent developers, as much as these companies do. How many (formerly) prestigious AAA game studios have just collapsed under the weight of bad practices, revolving doors of employees, or just started churning out garbage these past few generations? Off the top of my head: Bioware, Telltale, Blizzard, Ubisoft with Assassin's Creed (a whole lot of shit going down there tbqh), fucking Rare and Bethesda. Literally this year we are starting to see Naughty Dog fray at the seams. Who knows how this will turn out for CDPR but it's never a good sign. This stuff does not happen in a vacuum. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:946381509] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>I also think you are drastically underestimating the value of consistent developers, as much as these companies do. How many (formerly) prestigious AAA game studios have just collapsed under the weight of bad practices, revolving doors of employees, or just started churning out garbage these past few generations? Off the top of my head: Bioware, Telltale, Blizzard, Ubisoft with Assassin's Creed (a whole lot of shit going down there tbqh), fucking Rare and Bethesda. Literally this year we are starting to see Naughty Dog fray at the seams. Who knows how this will turn out for CDPR but it's never a good sign. This stuff does not happen in a vacuum. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/27/20 7:01:59 PM #77:	The company I work for is small, but over the years we've earned ourselves big projects from big name clients that become consistent clients because they like the work we do, and we got there by hiring good workers that stay because the conditions are good and the company atmosphere encourages growth. We've expanded by branching out to run our own training programs to scout quality workers and give them the tools to work for us or other companies of their choosing. We'd absolutely not be where we were if we just had a revolving door of flour sack employees. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:946381656] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>The company I work for is small, but over the years we've earned ourselves big projects from big name clients that become consistent clients because they like the work we do, and we got there by hiring good workers that stay because the conditions are good and the company atmosphere encourages growth. We've expanded by branching out to run our own training programs to scout quality workers and give them the tools to work for us or other companies of their choosing. We'd absolutely not be where we were if we just had a revolving door of flour sack employees. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/27/20 7:06:32 PM #78:	Now, I'll be fair. Maybe it's different if you're working in-house for like a bank or a small store or what have you, since you're not working for clients or to sell products, you're serving the company you work for specifically. I could see standards being lower in that regard. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:946381823] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>Now, I'll be fair. Maybe it's different if you're working in-house for like a bank or a small store or what have you, since you're not working for clients or to sell products, you're serving the company you work for specifically. I could see standards being lower in that regard. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes 10/27/20 8:33:12 PM #79:	Games unions already exist in some countries. If a given country has laws or social factors making it difficult, then that is a deeper problem with that society not video games as a medium. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc <cite>Lightning Strikes posted [p:946385019] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>Games unions already exist in some countries. If a given country has laws or social factors making it difficult, then that is a deeper problem with that society not video games as a medium. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 10/27/20 8:35:58 PM #80:	Lightning Strikes posted... If a given country has laws or social factors making it difficult, then that is a deeper problem with that society not video games as a medium. Uh oh, were getting dangerously close to talking about the real problem. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:946385126] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>Lightning Strikes posted... </cite> <quote>If a given country has laws or social factors making it difficult, then that is a deeper problem with that society not video games as a medium.</quote> Uh oh, were getting dangerously close to talking about the real problem. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KommunistKoala 10/28/20 6:21:49 AM #81:	https://twitter.com/ArcSystemWorksU/status/1321142842304024577?s=20 --- does anyone even read this <cite>KommunistKoala posted [p:946399462] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ArcSystemWorksU/status/1321142842304024577?s=20 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davidponte 10/28/20 6:59:48 AM #82:	Any developer who is unwilling to work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for multiple months to ensure that I can play my life-changing video game when I want to is simply worthless to me. It's clear that these developers value stupid things like, 'family' and 'wellbeing' over making sure that my video game is ready for me when I want it, which is simply unacceptable. ~~I'm being sarcastic just in case anyone is thinking about getting whooshed by my post.~~ --- I was the final Undisputed Champion in UCA history, but azuarc was our Guru Champion! <cite>davidponte posted [p:946399972] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>Any developer who is unwilling to work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for multiple months to ensure that I can play my life-changing video game when I want to is simply worthless to me. It's clear that these developers value stupid things like, 'family' and 'wellbeing' over making sure that my video game is ready for me when I want it, which is simply unacceptable. I'm being sarcastic just in case anyone is thinking about getting whooshed by my post. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KommunistKoala 10/28/20 12:47:21 PM #83:	KommunistKoala posted... https://twitter.com/ArcSystemWorksU/status/1321142842304024577?s=20 i guess they deleted it https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElWkWmYVgAAGydg.jpg:large --- does anyone even read this <cite>KommunistKoala posted [p:946410011] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>KommunistKoala posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ArcSystemWorksU/status/1321142842304024577?s=20</quote>i guess they deleted it https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElWkWmYVgAAGydg.jpg:large </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/28/20 4:40:20 PM #84:	That's lame. It was funny. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:946419860] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>That's lame. It was funny. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 10/29/20 12:03:21 PM #85:	https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/jka0fy/former_cdpr_witcher_3_dev_so_can_i_now_share_that/gahvk8n/ --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:946453797] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/jka0fy/former_cdpr_witcher_3_dev_so_can_i_now_share_that/gahvk8n/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BetrayedTangy 10/29/20 12:32:15 PM #86:	I think the main reason this has gone on for so long is because people who want to make games would much rather spend 100 hours a week working on a game than 40 hours at a 'normal job' while trying to make the game at home on your free time. It seems like either way you're gonna be working 100 hours a week. That said the gaming industry does need to get their act together and start treating their employees better or unions are going to get involved. --- https://www.backloggery.com/betrayedtangerin <cite>BetrayedTangy posted [p:946454993] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>I think the main reason this has gone on for so long is because people who want to make games would much rather spend 100 hours a week working on a game than 40 hours at a 'normal job' while trying to make the game at home on your free time. It seems like either way you're gonna be working 100 hours a week. That said the gaming industry does need to get their act together and start treating their employees better or unions are going to get involved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 10/29/20 12:44:28 PM #87:	BetrayedTangy posted... That said the gaming industry does need to get their act together and start treating their employees better or unions are going to get involved. por que no los dos --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:946455473] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>BetrayedTangy posted... </cite> <quote>That said the gaming industry does need to get their act together and start treating their employees better or unions are going to get involved.</quote>por que no los dos </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andylt 10/29/20 12:55:47 PM #88:	The weirdest thing about CDPR to me is how they're treated as scrappy outsiders turning the industry on its head and not the massive government-backed soulless corporation they are. They're no better than Naughty Dog/Rockstar etc on the crunch front, yet gamer ire seems to be reserved for EA/Bethesda/anyone putting clothes on an anime lady. --- Congrats to azuarc, Guru Champion 2020! <cite>andylt posted [p:946455930] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>The weirdest thing about CDPR to me is how they're treated as scrappy outsiders turning the industry on its head and not the massive government-backed soulless corporation they are. They're no better than Naughty Dog/Rockstar etc on the crunch front, yet gamer ire seems to be reserved for EA/Bethesda/anyone putting clothes on an anime lady. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BetrayedTangy 10/29/20 1:08:58 PM #89:	Not_an_Owl posted... por que no los dos Because despite being overall positive unions can also have a negative effect on the workplace. So if game companies can actually start treating their employees well you eliminate the need for one. --- https://www.backloggery.com/betrayedtangerin <cite>BetrayedTangy posted [p:946456453] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>Not_an_Owl posted... </cite> <quote>por que no los dos</quote> Because despite being overall positive unions can also have a negative effect on the workplace. So if game companies can actually start treating their employees well you eliminate the need for one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 10/29/20 1:26:20 PM #90:	BetrayedTangy posted... Because despite being overall positive unions can also have a negative effect on the workplace. So if game companies can actually start treating their employees well you eliminate the need for one. Okay, and how do you plan to force companies to treat their employees well without a union? --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:946457177] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>BetrayedTangy posted... </cite> <quote>Because despite being overall positive unions can also have a negative effect on the workplace. So if game companies can actually start treating their employees well you eliminate the need for one.</quote>Okay, and how do you plan to force companies to treat their employees well without a union? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andylt 10/29/20 1:34:52 PM #91:	Don't think this has been posted yet: https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1321857302115151873 What an absolute ghoul --- Congrats to azuarc, Guru Champion 2020! <cite>andylt posted [p:946457565] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>Don't think this has been posted yet: https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1321857302115151873 What an absolute ghoul </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/29/20 1:42:48 PM #92:	andylt posted... The weirdest thing about CDPR to me is how they're treated as scrappy outsiders turning the industry on its head and not the massive government-backed soulless corporation they are. They're no better than Naughty Dog/Rockstar etc on the crunch front, yet gamer ire seems to be reserved for EA/Bethesda/anyone putting clothes on an anime lady. Gamers only care about whether or not a company caters to them and often develop weird parasocial relationships with said companies that are predicated on the companies continuing to cater to them It's not like any of these crunch stories would have gotten traction if gamers weren't triggered about the game being delayed several times --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:946457894] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>andylt posted... </cite> <quote>The weirdest thing about CDPR to me is how they're treated as scrappy outsiders turning the industry on its head and not the massive government-backed soulless corporation they are. They're no better than Naughty Dog/Rockstar etc on the crunch front, yet gamer ire seems to be reserved for EA/Bethesda/anyone putting clothes on an anime lady.</quote>Gamers only care about whether or not a company caters to them and often develop weird parasocial relationships with said companies that are predicated on the companies continuing to cater to them It's not like any of these crunch stories would have gotten traction if gamers weren't triggered about the game being delayed several times </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 10/29/20 1:44:43 PM #93:	andylt posted... Don't think this has been posted yet: https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1321857302115151873 What an absolute ghoul Megacorps are real --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:946457981] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>andylt posted... </cite> <quote>Don't think this has been posted yet: https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1321857302115151873 What an absolute ghoul</quote> Megacorps are real </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WarThaNemesis2 10/29/20 1:50:44 PM #94:	KamikazePotato posted... Gamers only care about whether or not a company caters to them and often develop weird parasocial relationships with said companies that are predicated on the companies continuing to cater to them It's not like any of these crunch stories would have gotten traction if gamers weren't triggered about the game being delayed several times Yeah, Capcom was like, the most hated Japanese gaming company in the world a few years back. Their crime that made them so evil? Not making more Mega Man games. --- Not a stinky alien. :( Nintendo Switch Code: SW-5719-6555-8388 <cite>WarThaNemesis2 posted [p:946458245] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>Gamers only care about whether or not a company caters to them and often develop weird parasocial relationships with said companies that are predicated on the companies continuing to cater to them It's not like any of these crunch stories would have gotten traction if gamers weren't triggered about the game being delayed several times</quote> Yeah, Capcom was like, the most hated Japanese gaming company in the world a few years back. Their crime that made them so evil? Not making more Mega Man games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 10/29/20 2:00:02 PM #95:	Now they're evil because they aren't making enough Ace Attorney games! --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:946458604] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>Now they're evil because they aren't making enough Ace Attorney games! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BetrayedTangy 10/29/20 2:38:33 PM #97:	Not_an_Owl posted... Okay, and how do you plan to force companies to treat their employees well without a union? Haha that's why I said they better start or a union's going to get involved. --- https://www.backloggery.com/betrayedtangerin <cite>BetrayedTangy posted [p:946460308] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>Not_an_Owl posted... </cite> <quote>Okay, and how do you plan to force companies to treat their employees well without a union?</quote> Haha that's why I said they better start or a union's going to get involved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 10/29/20 2:44:55 PM #98:	andylt posted... The weirdest thing about CDPR to me is how they're treated as scrappy outsiders turning the industry on its head and not the massive government-backed soulless corporation they are. They're no better than Naughty Dog/Rockstar etc on the crunch front, yet gamer ire seems to be reserved for EA/Bethesda/anyone putting clothes on an anime lady. That's because crunch on Witcher 3 was not highly publicized and CDPR could coast on its consumer friendly image and practices (GOG, no microtransactions, high-effort DLC). Then they made an anti-crunch promise for this game people naively assumed would stay intact. Other than that their controversies have been fairly minor and easily overlooked, so it's no surprise. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:946460573] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>andylt posted... </cite> <quote>The weirdest thing about CDPR to me is how they're treated as scrappy outsiders turning the industry on its head and not the massive government-backed soulless corporation they are. They're no better than Naughty Dog/Rockstar etc on the crunch front, yet gamer ire seems to be reserved for EA/Bethesda/anyone putting clothes on an anime lady.</quote> That's because crunch on Witcher 3 was not highly publicized and CDPR could coast on its consumer friendly image and practices (GOG, no microtransactions, high-effort DLC). Then they made an anti-crunch promise for this game people naively assumed would stay intact. Other than that their controversies have been fairly minor and easily overlooked, so it's no surprise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/29/20 2:49:24 PM #99:	https://twitter.com/Sosowski/status/1321446492746469376 --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:946460756] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/Sosowski/status/1321446492746469376 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 10/29/20 2:52:13 PM #100:	WarThaNemesis2 posted... Yeah, Capcom was like, the most hated Japanese gaming company in the world a few years back. Their crime that made them so evil? Not making more Mega Man games. Also I know you're joking here but a major factor of the Capcom hate was all the on-disc DLC stuff they did in that awkward period when devs hadn't figured out microtransactions or knew how to convincingly structure and price add-on content --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:946460880] in Just in ca... [t:79066956]...</cite> <quote>WarThaNemesis2 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, Capcom was like, the most hated Japanese gaming company in the world a few years back. Their crime that made them so evil? Not making more Mega Man games.</quote> Also I know you're joking here but a major factor of the Capcom hate was all the on-disc DLC stuff they did in that awkward period when devs hadn't figured out microtransactions or knew how to convincingly structure and price add-on content </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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