Board 8 > The two worst games ever made are Blizzard games. Mass firings are coming.

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UltimaterializerX
02/09/19 11:11:10 PM
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Activision has finally noticed the awful job Blizzard is doing, and hundreds of people are about to get fired over making no good games for nearly 20 years. Activision expected a much better return on investment than the trash Blizzard has been giving them: https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/02/09/activision-blizzard-reportedly-planning-massive-layoffs

The disastrous Diablo Immortal announcement ("do you guys not have phones?" is the single most embarrassing line in gaming conference history, it let Kaz Hirai off the hook for his 599 US DOLLARS, it got Blizzard booed at their own convention, and it almost single handedly collapsed the stock price) coupled with Apex Legends, Fortnite, Smash Bros Ultimate, Magic Arena, and Auto Chess completely stealing away Blizzard's player base have the company in a panic. Stock prices have been cut in half over the past six months, and it's bound to get a lot worse given the public has finally figured out that they should invest their time into games that are actually... you know. Good? Fun? Made by companies that actually care?

Even the most ardent Blizzard sycophants have stopped defending these people, because even a child can figure out companies don't fire hundreds of people for doing a good job. As someone who's hated this company for two decades, I couldn't be happier about this news. Fuck Blizzard and everything they stand for.

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Oh and Mark Kern, the guy who made Blizzard's last good game? He completely agrees with my position: https://boundingintocomics.com/2018/11/06/diablo-2-producer-mark-kern-says-blizzard-is-out-of-touch-with-gamers/
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Snrkiko
02/09/19 11:36:21 PM
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ulti have you ever considered the possibility that nobody cares
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ClyTheCool
02/09/19 11:46:43 PM
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What a strange post
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02/09/19 11:49:50 PM
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UltimaterializerX
02/10/19 12:12:28 AM
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Snrkiko posted...
ulti have you ever considered the possibility that nobody cares

Factually incorrect. Biggest story in gaming right now.
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Shaduln
02/10/19 12:15:21 AM
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Nope.
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Snrkiko
02/10/19 12:28:26 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Snrkiko posted...
ulti have you ever considered the possibility that nobody cares

Factually incorrect. Biggest story in gaming right now.

im not talking about the story lol
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MZero11
02/10/19 12:30:34 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Even the most ardent Blizzard sycophants have stopped defending these people, because even a child can figure out companies don't fire hundreds of people for doing a good job. As someone who's hated this company for two decades, I couldn't be happier about this news. Fuck Blizzard and everything they stand for.


You're happy hundreds of people are losing their jobs?
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azuarc
02/10/19 12:38:31 AM
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Right, welcome back to ignore, ulti.
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NowItsAngeTime
02/10/19 12:47:48 AM
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Snrkiko posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Snrkiko posted...
ulti have you ever considered the possibility that nobody cares

Factually incorrect. Biggest story in gaming right now.

im not talking about the story lol


To be fair, by posting in this topic you show that at the very least you care at least a little bit.
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v_charon
02/10/19 1:00:00 AM
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Of course they also created the most profitable game of this millennium but who's keeping score eh?
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UltimaterializerX
02/10/19 1:00:16 AM
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MZero11 posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
Even the most ardent Blizzard sycophants have stopped defending these people, because even a child can figure out companies don't fire hundreds of people for doing a good job. As someone who's hated this company for two decades, I couldn't be happier about this news. Fuck Blizzard and everything they stand for.


You're happy hundreds of people are losing their jobs?

If you don't perform, you should absolutely be losing your job. That's how business works. That's how running a company works. Can you produce or can't you? Blizzard has proven they can no longer produce and pretty much all of their franchises need to start over. If anything, not enough people are being fired.

If I'm a CEO and some idiot insults my fanbase at a conference with "do you guys not have phones?" causing my stock price to be halved, I'm not waiting 3 months to fire them. They don't even leave the building that day.

Here's a random sports comp for you: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000628378/article/patriots-fire-offensive-line-coach-dave-deguglielmo

Remember the AFC title game where the Broncos hit Tom Brady 20+ times? Belichick fired the idiot in charge of that crap one day later and brought Dante Scarnecchia back. It was the right decision. There are standards when trying to be the very best.

It's the reason you should actually be applauding this news if you're a fan of Blizzard's games. You should demand excellence.
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UltimaterializerX
02/10/19 1:03:32 AM
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v_charon posted...
Of course they also created the most profitable game of this millennium but who's keeping score eh?

I assume Drake is your favorite artist since you're using an argument as laughably, provably stupid as sales = quality?

Hearthstone's player base has collapsed, just for the record. Blizzard put out two straight sets of panic nerfs because people aren't playing the game anymore.
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v_charon
02/10/19 1:06:41 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
sales = quality?


UltimaterializerX posted...
That's how business works. That's how running a company works.


Can't have it both ways. Can't pull the quality card out when you just attempted to lecture some other dude about how business works. Blizzard makes a lot of money, and at the end of the day, yeah that matters more than quality. Should it? No, but that's hardly relevant.

Also it's hard to take you seriously when you reference games like Fortnite and then talk about how low quality games from Blizzard are. Fortnite is the epitome of mediocre that succeeds because it makes a lot of money otherwise.
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UltimaterializerX
02/10/19 1:16:00 AM
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Not a lecture when I literally hire/fire people and I'm in charge of my entire nursing staff. Pretty much any business works exactly the same way. If you don't produce, your hours get cut and given to someone who does. Continue to not produce and you're done. This is common sense to anyone that's ever helped run a business, which is clearly not something you have experience with.

v_charon posted...
Blizzard makes a lot of money, and at the end of the day, yeah that matters more than quality.

And they have made far less money, which is why people are getting deservedly fired.

I would also bet a lot of money the vast majority of people who bash Fortnite have never actually played it. It's legitimately really good, which is funny in the face of Blizzard because they tried improving on the CS/TF2 model and failed spectacularly. Fortnite actually made that formula better and got paid for it.
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v_charon
02/10/19 1:20:59 AM
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"You must not have played it" - The mark of any great argument.

I mean, truly a master level debater with that move. Goodnight man, I can't keep up with that.
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UltimaterializerX
02/10/19 1:31:49 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
I would also bet a lot of money the vast majority of people who bash Fortnite have never actually played it. It's legitimately really good, which is funny in the face of Blizzard because they tried improving on the CS/TF2 model and failed spectacularly. Fortnite actually made that formula better and got paid for it.

Please cite in this post where I directly accuse you of not playing it. I'm not arguing with anyone given your level of reading comprehension hasn't improved one bit in well over a decade.

Blizzard sycophants always have been and will continue to be pathetic.
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Mythiot
02/10/19 1:35:57 AM
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ok.
MoogleKupo141
02/10/19 1:47:35 AM
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I have played both Overwatch and Fortnite

I continue to play Overwatch and will probably never touch Fortnite again
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Peridiam
02/10/19 2:47:36 AM
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World of Warcraft is/was a good game. Their current expansion isnt very good (imo), but to say Blizzard hasnt created a good game in 20 years is debatable.

It also makes me question your level of honesty when youve admitted youve barely (if at all?) played WoW. I even recall you saying WoW seemed pretty good from what little time youve played it.

Not sure why you need to use hyperbole to sell your point. If you left that part out Id be more on board with taking your dramatic tone so seriously.

That said I dont disagree with your sentiments toward Blizzard. They need a wake up call.
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CoolCly
02/10/19 3:01:15 AM
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It's true the Hearthstone playerbase has collapsed, the only person playing it every day at this point is Ulti
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Vlado
02/10/19 3:21:59 AM
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Oh wow, it's like trying to brainwash and generally shitting on gamers is not good business.
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WickIebee
02/10/19 3:58:29 AM
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Didn't I read this topic like 2 months ago? And people are still posting in this?

Do you guys not have GameFAQs accounts?
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HanOfTheNekos
02/10/19 8:21:41 AM
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TIL that Ulti doesn't know what a lecture is.

And also that he's never played Fortnite.
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Underleveled
02/10/19 11:26:43 AM
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When most people find such grievous fault with something when countless other options are available, they simply go with one of those other options and be happy.

For example, if one does not like anchovies on their pizza, they simply order other toppings that they do enjoy instead of writing essays every three weeks about how awful anchovies on pizza are and pray that anchovies get taken off the menu.
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LOLIAmAnAlt
02/10/19 11:40:13 AM
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v_charon posted...
Fortnite is the epitome of mediocre

is it though
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UltimaterializerX
02/10/19 11:47:37 AM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
TIL that Ulti doesn't know what a lecture is.

And also that he's never played Fortnite.

Its one of the games I play with the kids at church. I can definitely see why it blew up.
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UltimaterializerX
02/10/19 11:48:16 AM
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Underleveled posted...
When most people find such grievous fault with something when countless other options are available, they simply go with one of those other options and be happy.

For example, if one does not like anchovies on their pizza, they simply order other toppings that they do enjoy instead of writing essays every three weeks about how awful anchovies on pizza are and pray that anchovies get taken off the menu.

Nah bro this is outrage boycott culture.
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v_charon
02/10/19 12:28:41 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Please cite in this post where I directly accuse you of not playing it. I'm not arguing with anyone given your level of reading comprehension hasn't improved one bit in well over a decade.


Please cite my post where I directly accuse you of saying that I specifically haven't played it then. Two can play at your awful diversion tactics. You still claimed that most people that critique the game haven't played it, which is a terrible method of arguing your point.

Unlike you, I have changed a lot over the last decade. At least I don't continuously make the same topic every month or so.
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OliviaTremor
02/10/19 12:37:18 PM
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Overwatch is insanely fun and successful. Im sorry you dont like it.
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UltimaterializerX
02/10/19 12:44:33 PM
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OliviaTremor posted...
Overwatch is insanely fun and successful. Im sorry you dont like it.

I truly did try. The games are too short.
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DoomTheGyarados
02/10/19 12:51:07 PM
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Blizzard games are still fun for me (WoW a lot less so, but I hop on and enjoy piddling around even if the current expac is meh, the leveling experience is nice) Diablo 3 is fun, Overwatch is pretty fun etc.

They need to get their act together and maybe these people deserve to be fired not sure, but I can't ever really hate a company that I have gotten so much enjoyment from over the years.
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ColZach
02/10/19 1:08:07 PM
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Only posting to remind you guys the reason why blizzard has become such shit is BECAUSE of activision.

Blizzard was awesome for many years before that.
UltimaterializerX
02/10/19 1:12:32 PM
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ColZach posted...
Only posting to remind you guys the reason why blizzard has become such shit is BECAUSE of activision.

Blizzard was awesome for many years before that.

We can agree on this. That merger was also set in motion in the late 90s, which is the last time Blizzard was any good.
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Peridiam
02/10/19 11:54:08 PM
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I would disagree. Vanilla WoW, TBC, and arguably WotLK were great. I do think WoW began trending in the wrong direction with aspects of WotLK, but thats not the point.

The point is Blizzard did make at least one great game in the last 20 years.

I would also say I got back into WoW during Legion, and found that really fun too. Not the same as the early days, but as far as modern WoW went, it held up. Their current expansion feels very lazy though. Outside of the art and music department, its a shell.
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SuperNiceDog
02/11/19 12:18:44 AM
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Ulti is right GOGOGOGOGOGO
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SuperNiceDog
02/11/19 12:19:34 AM
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OliviaTremor posted...
Overwatch is insanely fun and successful. Im sorry you dont like it.


Yep it's a great game
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SuperNiceDog
02/11/19 12:20:09 AM
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SuperNiceDog posted...
Ulti is right GOGOGOGOGOGO


well maybe not on the two worst games ever made.... but I still think Ulti's message is on target
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BlAcK TuRtLe
02/11/19 12:45:03 AM
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Hey, Starcraft 2 was great (though not as good as SC), and Brood War Remastered was singlehandedly the best HD remaster I have ever seen.

Everything else Blizz is doing has been trash though
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UltimaterializerX
02/11/19 12:50:23 AM
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Lord of Dabu can explain in far better detail then I why the HD remaster of Starcraft was awful.

World of Warcraft popularized MMOs and made the mid-2000s the absolute worst time period I can ever remember for hanging out with other gamers, not to mention being a game programmed around addiction instead of quality. I will never forgive WoW for this, not to mention the game is trash outside of raiding. You're doing nothing but finding yellow points on a map. Over and over and over again. That's it. Forever.

Johnathan Blow puts this very well. World of Warcraft is the #1 example of a meaningless video game: https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/107343/MIGS_2007_Jonathan_Blow_On_The_WoW_Drug_Meaningful_Games.php
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MyMainAccount
02/11/19 1:01:53 AM
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Im looking forward to Mobile Diablo!
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NowItsAngeTime
02/11/19 1:33:59 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Lord of Dabu can explain in far better detail then I why the HD remaster of Starcraft was awful.

World of Warcraft popularized MMOs and made the mid-2000s the absolute worst time period I can ever remember for hanging out with other gamers, not to mention being a game programmed around addiction instead of quality. I will never forgive WoW for this, not to mention the game is trash outside of raiding. You're doing nothing but finding yellow points on a map. Over and over and over again. That's it. Forever.

Johnathan Blow puts this very well. World of Warcraft is the #1 example of a meaningless video game: https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/107343/MIGS_2007_Jonathan_Blow_On_The_WoW_Drug_Meaningful_Games.php


watching Arena eSports is kinda fun but other than that, finding yellow points on a map is a reason I never got past level 15. Hated it
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CoolCly
02/11/19 2:39:40 AM
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man what a pretentious article by jonathon blow
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ColZach
02/11/19 2:49:28 AM
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I honestly think Blizz started hurting around Cata, because WoW is still loved to this day (early wow at that) and Warcraft 3 and Frozen Throne if different (and basically hardly RTS games) were successful and popular.
Peridiam
02/11/19 3:18:09 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Lord of Dabu can explain in far better detail then I why the HD remaster of Starcraft was awful.

World of Warcraft popularized MMOs and made the mid-2000s the absolute worst time period I can ever remember for hanging out with other gamers, not to mention being a game programmed around addiction instead of quality. I will never forgive WoW for this, not to mention the game is trash outside of raiding. You're doing nothing but finding yellow points on a map. Over and over and over again. That's it. Forever.

Johnathan Blow puts this very well. World of Warcraft is the #1 example of a meaningless video game: https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/107343/MIGS_2007_Jonathan_Blow_On_The_WoW_Drug_Meaningful_Games.php

You have little to no experience with the game (and have admitted as such) yet so easily claim it to be trash. Praising only the raiding is laughable, as if thats all WoW 2004-2008 had to offer.

You praise the game when it fits your narrative or youre in a good mood (as you were last I remember speaking on this subject, around BlizzCon 2018, when Blizzard was being lambasted for Diablo).

I know your MO. You know your MO. And as such I likely wont be convinced on your stance because we both know you have nothing to say on the matter, other than linking to what others have said thatll back your current narrative.

Im not even trying to troll here. Lets just be honest.
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Peridiam
02/11/19 3:21:56 AM
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ColZach posted...
I honestly think Blizz started hurting around Cata, because WoW is still loved to this day (early wow at that) and Warcraft 3 and Frozen Throne if different (and basically hardly RTS games) were successful and popular.

They did start hurting with Cata, but the systems implemented toward the end of WotLK are what set it up.

Blizzard merged with Activision toward the end of WotLKs initial creation (July 2008). As such Activision had no influence on early WotLK, but definitely did with all of Cata.
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red13n
02/11/19 3:39:44 AM
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Prior to cata most of the questing and story in WoW was disjointed. Wrath stepped up on this front but the important bits of quests were generally tucked into a lot of pointless junk. Cata gave questing a direction. You had reason to go from point a to be and then from camp a to b. You were working towards something always instead of just...being a peon. Cata had nothing to do with Activision and more Blizzard biting off more than they were actually able to deliver. They actually learned a good bit about release schedule and timing of non-raid release scheduling from Catacylsm's failure.

A lot of the problems also came about from expectations from Cata being very high after Wrath but so much of the development had to go into revamping the old world(Which, absolutely needed it because old world WoW was trash).

MoP was actually very good at stepping up and being like "hey along with the raid we're giving you a whole bunch of other shit to do".

Warlords is where shit hit the fan. Garrison, raid, repeat infinitely. Occasionally visit AH if you want gold. Storytelling goes to shit here.

Legion was attempted improvement but the Artifact system, while nice in theory, put an undue burden on top of players.

BFA is a step up but the artifact replacement system is already on its way to being defunct mid-expansion.
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Underleveled
02/11/19 8:32:25 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
World of Warcraft... made the mid-2000s the absolute worst time period I can ever remember for hanging out with other gamers

I wont deny this. 2005 was excruciating because all of my friends never shut the fuck up about WoW and unfortunately my parents still had dial-up until 2006 so i couldn't play until it was pretty much too late to jump aboard the bandwagon, so i never did. Thankfully.
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Steiner
02/11/19 9:00:45 AM
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it's funny that anything going on at blizzard right now is completely unrelated to your spicy take on the two worst games of all time
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HanOfTheNekos
02/12/19 12:07:49 PM
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Wrath had some of my favorite zones. Questing through them was with it to discover the world.

BC was similar, but just a little too much questing, and dungeons were worse.

Cata streamlined questing in a way that made some zones incredibly fun FOR the lore... also, flying everywhere is baller.

However, the upper-level Cata zones include some stinkers with 2 good ones (I cant remember if there are 4 or 5 Cata zones. Uld, Hyjal, Atlantis, Twilight?).

Mists of Pandaria was a brilliant expac, but that's where I stopped playing because A. Zones were not unique enough and B. Dailies and C. They nerfed shadowburn.

Nothing beats being an 8th grader running WSG with friends after school, though.
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