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I should note that the wording makes Ulti's role sound like a psychic (like IGCD claimed), but he was actually a watcher-type motion detector (he didnt get names)

Though here is the last version

EDumey posted...

I spent entirely too long attempting to be budget FD.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/582ba29f.png

If BCT wont do it, I will!

Corrik7 posted...

Can we talk about how Ashe said he was blocked? I definitely didn't block him and why would scum block Ashe tonight?

Let me guess, you also didnt know he claimed to basically be a cop

Actually I may be overthinking this too much anyway
It looks straightforward in hindsight but for those who were there in the moment, it probably would be harder to even see where the votes would fall.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I'll admit who I changed my vote to wasn't exactly well-thought out. That's really all there was to it.

It DID spare Wallz being the lynch though, since I felt he was town. And that's something, isn't it?

Only on the surface. Since Brohans absence probably meant that scum didnt have the numbers to hammer the lynch they wanted or even enforce a tie.

I do think you and Ashe cant both be scum because you definitely would have voted Wallz with Red otherwise.

But whichever one of you is town could vote Red if a tiebreaker were to occur, and thats why the scum among you might have realized it was pointless and also self-incriminating to vote Wallz and put him and Red at 3-3.
Though that may be assigning too much fastpaced plotting to what was essentially just a couple of minutes.

I know Lone Wolf makes more sense, but thats what I got.
Maybe he meant to say 'a lone wolf'?
I feel like discussing this too much just would bring me too close to bending the rules tho.

Nope, just the one. Just two words.

I claimed that days ago

Yes

Fd not claiming either way was not his best choice.

I did just have the thought that maybe HE was a serial killer
Probably not tho.
Thats more something to take into calculations if we absolutely knew that scum is just 3 players.

*Ninja nilla in BCT and Ashe

Work is distracting.

Obellisk posted...

and my role pm specifically says I have no night actions however I will be seen by my target if I am to visit someone.

So it is safe to assume there is in fact a scum ability that can move players to other players. Did they use that? is it a red herring since i am actually the games fucking miller. (no pun intended) and Death is just using parts of my claim to fake his own.

I mean we also have the ninja nilla in BCT.

Honestly I have been thinking maybe FD had some nifty power that would interact with this
Like maybe even something that temporarily fused our traits together?

Ashethan claimed Ninja Cop (basically since it scans for Survivor/Killer) & Ninja Nilla. Says he scanned FD night1, got blocked night3, has yet to show up today

BCT claimed Vanilla Ninja & Roleblocker. Says he Blocked Dumey Night2 and Wallz night4 (due to apparent redirection)

Brohan claimed Hider & Ninja. He said he hadnt hidden night1 or night3.

IGCD claimed Nilla & Psychic. Nobody visited him yet.

Sure thing

Odd:
Ashley Williams, Alone Wolf
Just the one trait, I cannot be moved or controlled. We've only seen redirection powers on even nights so far. But I dont move on even nights anyway so I feel like we are missing something anyway.

Even:
Tarhos Kovacs, Frightening
I choose a player and if they die that night, I terrify the person who killed him, so they cant kill anyone the next night. (scum gets a message about this once day starts)
Fallen One (nilla)

Targeted Ben night2. So his killer could not have killed anyone night3.
Targeted Wallz night4. Wrong choice there.

Man double ninja
And I aint even talking bout Ashethan

So thats just a nilla/nilla huh

Have some sympathy Sbell, he probably has to sift through hundreds of notes to get his story straight.

Also Edumey reacting to Reds claim was what made a lot of people jump down Edumey's throat in the first place

I dont think thats been updated with the last 5 claims tho.

Yup

Also Ashe had no reaction to the miller claim, in topic1 at least

No Wallz was the doctor/roleblock-ish power
BCT claims to be a ninja nilla/roleblocker

That would be the infamous insane psychic game.
Poppy was a serial bomber
Scum did have just 3 members that game

But yeah flavorwise I dont know how a second indy exists, and the kills we have seen dont point at a killing indy existing anyway.
An arsonist maybe, but even my role last game had some mechanic that would eventually make players aware and suspicious.

I just dont think scum only has 3 members. Though I get why you have to make suggestions like that.

Besides if Ashe is scum, he created heat for himself already by claiming to be killer first and made things even hotter by taking that back.
Regardless of what alignment Ashe has, he's been playing bizarrely. So its more like a nultell to me.

And here I was about to ask what your theories even were now that Wallz flipped town.

There is still no direct evidence that Ashe is town, Corrik.
I agreed that Ashe didnt need to claim that he moved to FD if he was in fact a ninja and also didnt poison him (one of which I still believe is true regardless, and the other is proven now)
But WIFOM is still a thing. And numbers are increasingly going against Ashe's favor.
That said, one thing giving me pause is Brohan voting Ashe on day3.

Btw how do you feel about Sbell since you didnt mention him?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Has anyone not flipped really complained about the game? I know there were complaints about the switching thing, did that come from any currently living players, or any complaints from currently living players.

I am curious why you asked this, IGCD.
Of the living players I only recall Corrik complaining; about BCT being told he was redirected.

Cant believe everyone set the Brohan VS Me thing aside to focus Wallz VS Red and that it still worked in our favor.
That could have been disastrous had Brohan bothered to show up.

Still this confirms that at least Brohan is scum because not only was he not there, Red also refused to vote him even with his own life on the line. And Red was probably the most expendable scum going by his flip.
(For the record I still think 4 scum is likelier than 3 scum, if only because 3 scum just sounds like too little with all the power town has shown and claimed)

Between Corrik complaining about Wallz being townconfirmed, and being one of the Brohan avoiders. I am very confident in him being the 3rd scum.

For a while I wondered if Ashe voting Brohan meant something. But then I realized that if Ashe was scum and did vote Wallz, it would just lead to a tie that whichever townmember that had not yet voted Red could break. So his vote could just be him trying to avoid looking as bad as Corrik does now.

BCT voting Wallz for a while is also interesting. He did it early enough to change his mind. Though I dont know what to make of him voting Corrik who had no votes at all at the time.
I am wary of BCT insisting that I am scum just because Changmas said so. But if Corrik is scum like I believe he is, then his fuming about BCT's redirected block just makes BCT just look townier.

So Brohan>Corrik>Ashe>BCT is my hitlist at the moment.
IGCD and Sbell are pretty much town.
....

Damn, Ben was a prophet

......
Of course the lack of a hammer means nothing with all this activity.
But thats it for me guys.

I hope you all vote Brohan. And I hope I made the right choice myself.

*holding my breath to see if the worst happens*

Anyway here it is
I apologize in advance if this gets town insta gibbed. But I blame the Netherlands!

##Vote: Brohan

And based on what Ethan quoted, I still can't shake that Chang called Death scum and was subsequently killed. That is still setting off alarm bells galore for me.

I like to think Chang changed his mind about me near the end of the day.
Though since I am about to make the rest of the day about me and someone else, I will just tell you to reread what you can and hope that you see that I am town.

Plus Wallz has at least been here today.

Corrik7 posted...

Why not wallz

I cannot entirely rule him out. But I dont know if he could be scum with Brohan.
Also just generally I think Wallz has been better this game.

Leafeon13N posted...

Brohan is the boring option. Its more fun when the scum fights back.

Seems like a weird standard to vote someone.

He just has less going for him and fits in the most hypothetical scumteams.
Its not a perfect metric I know, but its the best I got.
By all rights I am not the best person to make this vote, but I literally cannot leave without voting.

Why not Brohan? Is my counter question.

Well either way I am absolutely not staying up for 2 more hours. Not even for Mafia.
I believe Brohan is the best vote I can make at the moment, but I wanted to give everyone a heads up before it happens since I wont be able to unvote later.

I have been trying to construct plausible scumteams in my mind. Like I dont think Wallz, Ashe or dont seem likely to be scum with Brohan because of the way the votes happened.
But even that doesnt strike me as a good way to decide a vote.

But the more quiet one has been today, the more I am inclined to just vote them.

Well I cant see myself voting you anyway, but glad to see you.

Time for drastic measures

@Ashethan
@BlueCrystalTear
@Obellisk
@wallmasterz
@UltimateBrohan

Anyway Sbell ISO

Disliked Sultans list and would vote there if town agreed to it. Also agreed that Ulti could be scum but voted Sultan first and wanted to special him
(when asked about this later he did admit he would vote Ulti if he couldnt get Sultan, but he really didnt need to). Also he didnt want to lynch Corrik day1

Had a party day2 and questioned Wallz about his joke about Ulti's untimely demise.

Day3 he suspscted Wallz even more and also JC (and Sultan still) This is also when he started to question Red about his miller claim
Then he lost most of the day to work and did not mind being pointed at a target. He was disappointed that nobody went after Wallz however and started a special on him.
Once again he fought against a Corrik lynch, so he abandoned his Wallz special to vote JC.

Day4 he went for Red after trying to see if he and Red could fit together balance wise. Tho he mostly voted Red to test Sultans powers.
This made him not side with either the Brohan or Sultan voters.

Once again someone who didnt do much, but had reasons to be away a lot.\
All I would ask here is who he would have voted if he had to choose between Brohan and Sultan, but I dont know if he will answer in time.

*unusual for a townplayer to be killers first and survivors second

Its getting late for me, ugh

I dont remember who said that, but I think the argument was that Ashe looked suspect for knowing that it was actually unusual for a townplayer to be survivors first and killers second?
But since Ashe claimed to be a survivor/killer scanner, It does make sense that he would be able to figure that out before anyone else.

Its hard to keep track since more than one player didnt even realize that Ashe had altered his claim.

*Then day4 Edumey claimed investigator because Edumey didnt have info before then

IfGodCouldDie posted...

What came first Ashe claiming or Edumy scan on FD?

Ashe claiming his traits happened day 2
Day 3 there was the moment where FD questioned Ashe for not moving on night2, which is when Ashe was forced to change his claim (to the true version or to another lie) and thats when he stated that he targeted FD already night1
Then day4 FD claimed investigator because FD didnt have info before then

The poison might have made him more willing to take the risk.

Did you not know these facts already, IGCD?

Ninja'd and I still messed up the sentence structure

*would want to tell people

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Can you elaborate? And can others chime in about its accuracy?

Corrik has his theory
But the facts are
Ashe claimed ninja scanner that scanned FD Survivor, which would show to him that FD was town
EDumey investigated FD and found that only a poisoner and a roleblock (JC) affected FD all game before his death.
Because Ashe claimed Ninja, it was assumed that he would not show up on Dumey's scan

What Corrik is saying is that he cannot see scum Ashe, who would probably be a scum Ninja with that type of claim, wouldnt want to tell people he visited FD night1 when FD also got poisoned night1. And that he could not have expected that FD would be investigated.

Maybe if we use the dreaded @ button, it will get them to notice the topic again.

Its more that I am undecided on who to vote as of yet, hence me rereading all kinds of posts

For real tho, where is everyone?
I will remind people that I cant be around for deadline.

Anyway Brohans ISO told me nothing at all, and I looked at every nook and cranny too.

All I see thats interesting about day1 Brohan is that he didnt want to join the Ashe lynch. He was more about disliking and voting Lea/Ulti.
Oh and he started out suspecting Reds miller claim but felt that Reds reactions were towny later.

Day2 he didnt post.

Day3 he claimed to be demotivated as well (I need to find a new word for this) and voted Ashe rather easily. He left his vote on Ashe.
Did nothing on day4
Didnt really do much today either.

Really all this does is make me think Ashe and Brohan have lower odds of being scum together.