Lurker > SwayM

eggcorn posted...

room temp>hot>>cold

I prefer hot but this is accurate.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Maze_ posted...

Reheated pizza is awful

Confirmed no taste buds.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

But cold pizza is still gross as fuck.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

archedsoul posted...

I rather them not take too many risks or you end up with shit like Skyward Sword.

See this is why the conversation never gets past this point.

Nintendo fans are



Lets get absolutely real here. In a minute and a half dude breaks it down way better than I ever could



There's no risk to Skyward Sword...at all man. There's no heart, no passion. It's by the numbers and it gets carried by the Zelda name. SS is the quintessential example of a total Nintendo phone in. When Nintendo steps a tiny bit out of their comfort zone and actually gives a shit you get something like BOTW.

Nintendo fans get terrified by the idea of them actually "Taking risks" because it's such unfamiliar territory to them. They compare it to some half ass attempt they did 12 years ago and point to it and say

"See never again. Let's just stay the course, not rock any boats"

Nintendo fans are the Chuckie from Rugrats of the the gaming world. The Arnolds on the Magic School Bus of Life.

It's not a risk if you put your heart and soul into it. The quality will show through, regardless of how outlandish it gets.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

EverDownward posted...

I'm saying what I want about The Last Jedi!

Take it back
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Darmik posted...

I don't really think making AAA games with a lower budget is a bad thing.

BOTW only needed to sell like 2 million copies to make a profit. Meanwhile games like Tomb Raider somehow need to sell more than double that to make a profit.

Production values aren't the end all/be all for video games. For games like Uncharted then yeah sure. That game won't hold up as well if it didn't have insane production values. But not every game needs them. BOTW doesn't need Nolan North and Mario Odyssey doesn't need a 1,000 page game script to be fantastic. They certainly don't feel like they're cheap or lacking because of those creative decisions.

This is the first decent argument Ive seen in this thread.

I completely agree the hyper inflated game budgets can be a huge liability. Not all games need to be these blockbuster games. Theres a place in the market for games of all caliber from Indie to AAA.

A lot of developers make these AAA games that are too big to fail and what do they end up doing? Safe, yearly sequels.

Nintendo plays it safe just as much as any other developer. They take huge risks in the console market and then play it super safe with their franchises.

My argument is this. There is a wealth of space Nintendo needs to occupy and expand into to be considered a truly great developer. Hey they make fun games that people enjoy. Thats fantastic. They can continue doing that forever, with no urgency to improve. But if you want to consider them comparable to developers who go that extra mile every time. They have a lot of room for improvements.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Banjo2553 posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

SwayM posted...

Designing a game that is "fun" is by no means challenging

The fucking stupid shit people say...

It's why I didn't respond to it. He clearly has no idea how challenging making a fun and functional game actually is.
Just look at the sheer amount of terrible creations and levels that come out of these level creators as an example.

Right. Thats why you didnt respond.

Not that you cant come up with an argument against what I said. Let me recap it for you since youre having trouble.

All games have to be fun. That is their sole purpose. How many games have you played in your life that you didnt find fun? Im struggling to come up with one example myself. Anything I say would just be an example of a genre that doesnt tickle my fancy. But I could easily see how others would enjoy it. maybe some game back in the NES days before there was any sort of standard but no name is jumping to mind.

The amount of indie games out there, its not hard to create a fun game.

You have developers out there creating complex, intricate gaming experiences and at every stage of development it has to remain fun. I dont think you can really comprehend how difficult that actually is when you have projects that dwarf anything Nintendo ever attempted.

Please continue to sit here on the sidelines, quote one sentence and react to it. Its rrally working for you guys.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

_PrincessZelda posted...

I honestly loved TLJ.

Same.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

boxington posted...

the lightsaber fight with Rey and Kylo Ren vs Snoke's guard was pretty amazing, too, IMO.

I completely agree.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

But its an absolutely beautiful movie. Every frame is gorgeous.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Dont challenge my precious Nintendo to be better
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Imagine being able to challenge an argument with actual points.

You just keep drawing lines in the sand about what my topic is about fam.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Mr_Biscuit posted...

SwayM posted...

Imagine the XBONE 2 gets released 2020

No party chat

Bare bones as as it comes

Download an app on your phone if you want to talk to your friends fuckers

We're Microsoft

We've been in the game for years bitch

You'll buy our shit regardless.

a) Does it come at a reasonable price point with a bunch of good games and a unique purpose? Might overlook the flaws

b) This topic was about games, I thought? As a console developer I have different criticisms of them. Its almost like you just wanted to bash Nintendo and switched subjects when the games angle didnt take

A reasonably priced piece of shit is still a piece of shit. But a piece of shit is better than nothing, thats the defence?

The only point anyone in this topic has brought against the criticisms of Nintendo resting on their laurels is games are fun and you literally cannot defend their absymal online infrastructure in 2018.

I thought you were going to criticize them for something we have a terrible defence for. If youre going to point out something we cant defend thats just unfair.

Online play is so ingrained in video game culture now you literally cant ignore it. Its absolutely relevant to the conversation about game quality. Having bad online = worse games. Common sense fam.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Gif defenders always come across like the dumbest people ever.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Imagine the XBONE 2 gets released 2020

No party chat

Bare bones as as it comes

Download an app on your phone if you want to talk to your friends fuckers

We're Microsoft

We've been in the game for years bitch

You'll buy our shit regardless.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Scottydoesntno posted...

but apparently they have no idea what they are doing

How's their online infrastructure coming along again?
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

This is also important to bring up:

Nintendo is a household name and has more beloved franchises under their belts than any other company. I think most sane people would agree with this, no?

Their model for selling their franchises is:

1) Maybe we'll put out a new one this year. It'll be safe and familiar, people will eat it up.

2) We will put out a very small selection of classic games on our godawful store. We wont even begin to compete with piracy, there'll be zero benefit, just overpay us for these games that will only work on the console you bought them on, thanks.

3) We'll release a retro console. It'll be a great idea, pretty bare bones though. Only come with 30 games and you'll never be able to buy one because we'll only manufacture 3 units for the entire world.

Nintendo is literally sitting on a MOTHERFUCKING GOLD MINE, and they show time and time again they absolutely have no idea what they're doing. How many companies would give their left nut to be at the helm and have all that potential revenue at your disposal.

Total pipe dream, but I just imagine what a company like Valve/steam could do with access to the Nintendo library as an example. It really is a shame fans have to put up with this level of incompetence...put up with isn't even right, people celebrate this shit.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

There's actually some sensible people in this topic.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

SpiralDrift posted...

Designing interesting and fun gameplay mechanics is apparently a lot harder than making realistic graphics with an interesting story.

1) Designing a game that is "fun" is by no means challenging and if you want proof of that just go look at the app store. Your grandma has a game on there she made herself, it's that fucking easy.

2) You do realize that every game has to be fun in order for someone to get enjoyment out of it. Why would anyone play it otherwise?

3) Now that we understand fun is a fundamental part of video games. Just try, seriously, take a massive step back and just try to imagine how difficult to design a game that is not only is enjoyable to play on a rudimentary level. You then have the monumental task of building a fully fleshed AAA game by 2018 standards around it.

Pretty fucking daunting. I don't blame Nintendo for not giving it a go. Easier to play it safe.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

My account is older than you are friend.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

ITT: "Spam is just as filling as Steak and it's a thousand percent cheaper. Therefore, it's just as good"
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

We live in a world where people are putting on games on this calibre. Where developers are pushing the absolute limits of what video games are as a medium.How far they go to fuse gameplay and story. How deep they go into their characters and world. How much time they spend crafting these experiences over the course of dozens of hours. The amount of sheer effort it takes to create something this ambitious.

This isn't an argument over your personal enjoyment of something, that's not a metric worth any merit in this discussion. Shit, I mean I had fun with that racing game that I got with a Burger King meal, but the shit ain't no Forza.

And no sillies, this isn't saying every game needs this level of production.

Just like another poster said. No company personifies the phrase "resting on your laurels" than Nintendo. They have never shown they're capable of anything close to this. There's industry standards all around us and Nintendo is happy sitting in the middle, and nobody pushes them to be better. And hey, that's fine, if they're making fun games who cares? I agree. Just as long as you realize that creatively, they have no place at the Big Boy table.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

PanzerElite posted...

Because large scripts are why I play games.

lmao

Right. As if my point is Mario needs a 20000 page script to be good.

No, my point is Nintendo has never shown theyre capable of anything remotely close to this.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

And this is just an extra dig at them not in relation to them as a game developer but software.

How can anyone defend their barebones UI systems and dogshit online systems in 2018 has to be as delusional as they come. Completely unacceptable for a company this big to be so far behind.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Youre absolutely right. You have to be a lot more qualified to make a game now than you did in 1985.

Something Nintendo doesnt really understand.

http://media.rockstargames.com/rockstargames/img/global/news/upload/gta3_gta4_scripts1.jpg

This is the difference in scripts between GTA 3 and 4.

Its also would be easy to imagine any Nintendo game would easily be the script on the left. If that. Its hilarious youre sitting here trying to argue in favour of the pamphlet.

Nintendo makes fun games sure. A lot of companies do. All the ones mentione so far. They also take the time to write amazing scripts. Hire quality actors. Spend how much time and money doing motion capture, etc. Just think of how far motion capture itself has progressed as a technique and how much of that was pioneered by these video game companies. Nintendo gives Mario a hat to throw though...theyre doing their best okay?

Nintendo has had forever to catch up. They take their formulas, add a couple things to them for next years release and fanboys literally lose their minds and praise them as a second coming.

They could be spending all this money they print developing better games in every respect, compared to these previously mentioned. Its not the same playing field and this isnt a fair fight. This is Lebron James vs a 5th grader.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

The two that immediately come to mind would be CD Projekt Red and Naughty Dog

Nintendo is like above average tier.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Its no Lenny
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Check out my new single on SoundCloud

Its called.

I dont know the difference between good customer service and flirting
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Anyone who doesnt love phoebe is out of their minds.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

No one calls it a parkway.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

No one calls it a parkway
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

My wedding cake will be made of chicken nuggets.

And so will my dress.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Space Cowboys.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Tag someone who owes you chicken nuggets
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Dont waste your fucking time.

Move on. Find someone else.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

EverDownward posted...

there is literally nothing wrong with chicken nuggets

Its a meme food. Theyll be on to sushi or some shit in 3 months.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Theyre just caught up all trying to be the same person.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

I would eat so many nuggets Im so quirky
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Theyre coming out with another Pokmon. Its the same shit its been for 60 years.

Ok the kids are distracted. Lets talk Iron Man
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

See what I mean.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Typical CE
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Typical internet.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

DoctorVader posted...

Did you really think I would read 300 comments?

When it's comment after comment of people saying how much they hated the joke. You kind of get the idea pretty quickly. If you bothered to even glance at the thread.

DoctorVader posted...

Don't act like even a hundred comments on Reddit means anything.

Hundreds of people saying the same thing often trumps one person without a leg to stand on.

DoctorVader posted...

I'm pretty sure more people hate how jokey jokey the MCU has become

More people? Based on the billions of dollars its making?

Become? As in, since it started with that jokeless Iron Man movie and that Hack RDJ who couldn't make a high clown giggle?

Come on dude. You're floundering.

DoctorVader posted...

and how it leaked into The Last Jedi

Floundering so bad that this is what you come down to? Head so far up your ass you think the jokes in the MCU have carried over to literally the darkest Star Wars movie to date.

A franchise ran by people who FIRED THE GUYS WHO MADE 21 JUMP STREET BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING HAN SOLO TOO JOKEY

This is such an awful argument because not only is it so irrelevant to our conversation, it's so off base to the reality of that movie and franchise.

DoctorVader posted...

Deadpool 2 was even able to handle serious moments way better than anything the MCU has done recently.

Speaking of serious moments. It was at this moment, I lost all ability to take you seriously.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

My man.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

https://cdn.thesolesupplier.co.uk/2017/09/adidas-Ultra-Boost-3.0-Burgundy-Black.png
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

I was against pineapples on pizza for the majority of my life.

And then I gave it another shot a few months ago abe did a complete 180 on it.

As long as the place doesnt overload the pineapple Im totally game for it.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

DoctorVader posted...

s is not the same as people complaining about the joke itself.

You clearly didn't even read the comments.

People fucking hate the joke dude.

DoctorVader posted...

I don't watch trailers anymore because of stuff like this and really, is not what I'm arguing. The trailers are handled by the marketing people, not the writers or director.

This isn't about the trailers spoiling a bad joke. It's about a bad joke getting used at all.

DoctorVader posted...

You're just not seeing the equal stuff in the MCU.

I'm also not defending all the humour in the MCU. I'm saying it's pound for pound funnier and better written.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

DoctorVader posted...

It's not irrelevant. The point is that it was funny was because it was at such a random point while people are being ripped apart. Not because of what he said exactly.

The set up is he's in the middle of this ridiculous car crash and action scene and he turns to the camera and says something completely irrelevant

The punchline is "Did I leave the stove on"

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/497zq3/in_deadpool_why_didnt_they_change_the_did_i_leave/

Call it subjective, but most people think this line is trash and should have been immediately topped with something better in the writers room

Or punched up in the final edit

OR at the very least been just a trailer line that had no business being in the final movie. I honestly was hoping for a different line, having seen the trailer and thought "ooof, hope there's a different take of that in the movie" But when the scene came and went and you could hear a pin drop in the theatre I just kind of shook my head that joke ever made it in.

The bar for humour in these movies is VERY low. And sometimes that works for it, it gets a lot of chuckles out of me. But the really gut busting moments are few and far between, because it's just lazy writing.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

DoctorVader posted...

and asking randomly if your stove was on when you were 5?

Yes.

The rest of it is irrelevant. Literally everyone in the world has heard of or made this joke at some point in their lives. It's basic shit dude.

DoctorVader posted...

Just because they use swear swords doesn't change anything and the fact that you attribute it to kids kind of shows off your own immaturity.

You don't have a defense to the fact that they lean on crude humour as being the joke. In place of being well written and funny.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a

Zikten posted...

Deadpool has a certain style of humor. it's funny but it gets old if it's all you get. I like it in small doses. but I prefer the humor Guardians for larger doses

Yeah. There's no punch to it after a while.The best line in Deadpool 2 for me was:


"I don't know about this Cable guy but I guarantee he hasn't killed as many people as melanoma."

Because it's just a really well written, well delivered line. It's not leaning on the hard R rating and throwing in a cock or fuck into it as magic comedy glue.

DoctorVader posted...

Also Deadpool's stove on is funny because it's so random and psychotic. Like dude is in the middle of murdering and is just wondering this random ass thing.

Oh, we all know how the joke works. I used that joke when I was like 5 years old. And I'm not saying this to sound edgy, to act like I'm above simple jokes and toilet humour. When it's funny, it's funny.

I'm saying it's literally the cheapest, formulaic, laziest punchline they could have made. I don't throw around the word "cringey" like most people on the internet, but the joke is so bad it registers a small cringe for me.

It's really that bad.
---

https://imgur.com/Fbusl2a