Lurker > Sarcastic

Welcome to quarantine.

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Unbridled9 posted...

Eating vegans gives me more energy every day as well!

You shouldn't eat meat eating animals anyway. They have parasites.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

No, because the world's fastest sheerer doesn't nick the sheep so I expect that as industry standard. Not everywhere is 'murica.

First, OBVIOUSLY everywhere is 'murica. Second, if you don't kill the sheep to *shear it you aren't doing it right.

LinkPizza posted...

I like cheese.

Well then you directly kill animals that make cheese and are still a murderer. I am very smart.

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Fuck this. @OniRonin . where's the response to my gish Gallup

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SunWuKung420 posted...

70 posts for a gimmick is proof of pandemic boredom.

Oh. And Tbf, your gimmick isn't weed. I'm gonna guess... you're the smartest person in the room at any given time, your parents don't understand, neither do other people. Man, people suck

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Let's all celebrate @SunWuKungWeedreference for being better than a gimmick

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SunWuKung420 posted...

70 posts for a gimmick is proof of pandemic boredom.

You had 70 posts?

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OniRonin posted...

no, its gross. i dont like thinking about animals dying etc

Honestly...do you even know about different views of morality? Do you even know what nihilism is? A vegan nihilist would be a first. And contradictory.

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OniRonin posted...

no, its gross. i dont like thinking about animals dying etc

Hard to be any kind of nihilist then.

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OniRonin posted...

im a moral nihilist. since i have no moral axioms, no justification is needed.

So you eat meat?

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Never pay to see a 3D movie/10

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OniRonin posted...

can you please explain the relevance of your name to me?

Sure! Just justify your moral code to me.

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OniRonin posted...

yes..... you finally get it.

Yup still haven't

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OniRonin posted...

ok, so we agree that you need additional context in order to evaluate whether "x+4=5" is true

You still haven't read my name?

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OniRonin posted...

please explain

You can know the value of x either by:

Solving it to make it true.

Having a value in advance that makes it true or

Having a value that makes it false

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OniRonin posted...

yes i agree. I was trying to understand how Sarcastic evaluates whether it's true or false without any additional context such as the value of x

Boolean operators do not apply unless you know the value of x. What's your ultimate point?

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OniRonin posted...

no, im not a "programmer". im a principal software architect.

So you understand basic mathematics and Boolean operators? If so, you should understand why your question makes no sense

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OniRonin posted...

ok then. is "x+4=5" true or false?

You aren't a programmer, are you?

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I_Always_Die posted...

guys they are clearly two different people smh

Oh sorry

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OniRonin posted...

im completey serous. im pretty sure you would need additional context to determine whether the statement "x+4=5" is true. it has nothing to do with the 'subjective definition of numerical symbols' though. I just think I would need to know what the value of x is

Fine. It doesn't matter if 1 is 1, or x is 1, or is 1. The values themselves are what matter. The symbols are unimportant to the values they represent. But when using agreed upon symbols to represent values and one unknown symbol to represent an unknown value, if you can't figure out what the unknown represents....

And I'll give you the botd and assume you misspelled completely as a way to mock serous. Unfortunately, serous is a real word and didn't get caught up in my mobile's autocorrect so I didn't see it. Unlike completey.

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OniRonin posted...

How do you use algebra to evaluate whether "x+4 = 5" is true without additional context?

You mean...numbers? Are you actually serous or do you want to go into the subjective definition of numerical symbols?

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OniRonin posted...

this bit of yours is a cool way to deflect from actually thinking about whether you can justify your beliefs

Joking aside, you're asking for justifications in the nature of mortality. There are numerous thoughts on the matter, and no single unifying theory of mortality. Many great philosophers have attempted to create their own theories. Socrates, Kant, Bentham. All different ideas, all with holes.

Vegetarianism and veganism have flaws as well. Ignoring the fact that supplements cannot be mass produced in enough levels to allow the entire human race to be on these diets (and even if they could, we have more than enough food for the entire human population and people are still starving in no small part because of the logistics of getting that food to other people) you still have the agricultural shortcomings that all land is not equally fertile. You cannot necessarily grow human consumable crops on grassland, but you can feed grass to livestock for food. Speaking of livestock, much of them are domesticated and cannot survive without human involvement. Will you take care of them? Or is genocide preferable for those species?

How about environmental impacts? In order to increase agriculture for human crops, the rainforests have been cut into. On the extreme end, vegans argue that we should stop beekeeping. The thing that increased the bee population. That's a post in and of itself.

Can I trust you grow and eat your own crops? If not, factory farming kills innumerable field animals while harvesting those crops you eat. I have a garden. Do you? All my vegetables, I grow myself. At least I eat the animals I contribute to killing, rather than letting them rot in a field.

So what else do I do? I cut back on meat so I can spend a little more on meat that I research so I know It's not factory farming. I also give more precedence to other humans than I do animals. I also hate organizations that pretend to care about animals and then kill them because they think domestication is bad.

You dare to say I should justify my decision? Why don't you justify yours?

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OniRonin posted...

or you could just add context to the argument... like if I claim "x + 4 is equal to 5", you need extra context to evaluate whether what I said is true.

Or algebra.

OniRonin posted...

So in this case, you'd need an airtight argument that his family members are worthy of moral consideration in a way that animals aren't.

Hmm...I can't think of any. Guess cannibalism is a-okay for meatheads amirite?

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OniRonin posted...

yeah, they're pretty different! but it demonstrates that 'respect my desire to do thing' is not a very good argument in isolation, since it would also justify me killing and eating your family.

This. Just because you want to do something doesn't make it morally justified. Like genocide. We can all agree it's wrong even though SOME people disagree. The only arguments we should entertain are those that hold up in isolation from all context.

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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Ahh, I see, reading comprehension clearly isn't your strong suit. I was obviously expecting too much of you.

Please feel free to ignore me and go back to getting trolled by a gimmick account if that's what helps you grease your hog.

Tbf my gimmick is pretty general disingenuousness. And when I do it I lay it on pretty thick, just in case I ever need not to do it.

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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

It was a box of animal crackers. You dont even pay attention to what theyre doing, how can you be a faithful follower?

Unbridled9 posted...

Yea. That's, like, nowhere near the same thing.

How...DARE you criticise a vegan. We are you moral and intellectual superiors! Only vegans can hope to debate with vegans. Now shut up or we'll kill and eat your families so you know how our anthropomorphic mental image of the animals you eat feel.

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OniRonin posted...

im too dumb to understand this because of all the crucial ''brain vitamins'' im missing, since they unfortunately cant be reproduced synthetically in a pill to take once a day.

You clearly didn't even read the topic title. Vegans are more smarter.

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OniRonin posted...

tfw my favorite japanese cartoon character is represented inaccurately in a parody

THEY CAME AFTER PHOENIX WRIGHT TOO?! That's it I'm eating meat.

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Mead posted...

okay but they dont get chicken

Wtf chicken isn't vegan?

OniRonin posted...

POwned again by your inability to understand a very simple argument

He sure has egg on his face

OniRonin posted...

please respect my desire to kill and eat your family. thank u for respecting my culture

Not very vegan of you. As the original post outlived, eating meat impacts your intelligence

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OniRonin posted...

you seem to think i love peta because people criticize them in really stupid ways, like saying their being culturally tone deaf. dxe and MfA are way better orgs. the only great thing about peta is how mad they can make ppl by saying things that are obviously correct

Yes, they were obviously correct. Here is the quote from the super mario brothers 3 booklet regarding the tanooki suit:

"Mario chased down a poor defenseless tanooki, clubbing baby seals along the way and even pissing on an ant hill, to skin it and take it's powers to become an immobile statue."

And of course, you are right when I criticised them for being culturally tone deaf. If only I had just said tone deaf, which would mean more simply that they thought they were hitting the right note when they weren't.

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I can't even see your eyes. Disqualified/10

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OniRonin posted...

agreed

I bet you do

*shear

A typo is par for the course when defending PETA

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FrozenBananas posted...

they clearly communicate outside of PotD to share methods. Larry probably shared that screen shot with knightoffire

Sarcastic posted...

TC now tagged as LaggnFragnLarrySextbuddy

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I_Always_Die posted...

it was still alive and flying around trying to get out and then my cat just fucking murdered it in front of me while I was unlocking the door to let the bird out

im so fucking sad now

Power move

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OniRonin posted...

im so tired of cultural relativism and identitarian bullshit. sorry peta criticized your favorite toy for promoting outdated ideologies, lmao

Yes, making a game where you chase Mario as a bloody tanooki to get your skin back is only worth critique due to cultural relativism and identity politics. Not because it's stupid. Did you also know when you sheer sheep they get bloody and cut up? And you shouldn't eat honey stolen from bees?

wolfy42 posted...

They also get super powers!!!

I hear they jump higher and run faster.

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TC now tagged as LaggnFragnLarry

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John Travolta.

Oh wait, you said surprised.

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Revelation34 posted...

That's clearly wrong if they're also PETA members.

PETA are composed of the smartest and most principled vegans. Not only do they not eat meat, they also kidnap animals from their owners' properties and euthanize them immediately, and make tone deaf criticisms of Japanese videogames.

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https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200127-how-a-vegan-diet-could-affect-your-intelligence

I didn't read the article but as a lifelong vegan I can safely assume it will support my preconceived notions. If not it was clearly written by meatheads.

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(Continued)
This month, he and his girlfriend, Claire Boucher, the musician known as Grimes, had a child and named him X A-12. And Mr. Musk announced that Tesla shares were too high and that he was selling almost all his possessions to the point of owning no house.
We have a phrase, its E.M.M. Elon Moves Markets, said Bill Selesky, an analyst at Argus Research who tracks how Mr. Musks messages impact Teslas stock price. People want to listen to him no matter what he says. He tends to be thought of as a great visionary.
Mr. Selesky said even Mr. Musks detractors parsed every tweet and utterance. Plus, if you have a Tesla, nobody can ever complain about you because youre good for society, he added.
This leads back to Mr. Musks message on Sunday, telling his followers to take the red pill.
Do The Matrix creators like this?
No. Lilly Wachowski, a Matrix co-creator, told Mr. Musk and Ms. Trump in colorful language on Twitter that they could take a hike.

Is red pill a Silicon Valley thing?
To some extent.
There has long been a strain of mens rights activism in Silicon Valley, exemplified by James Damore, a former Google engineer who was fired after writing a memo arguing that the reason there are fewer female engineers is biological differences rather than discrimination.
Mr. Damore became a folk hero for a simmering movement in the technology industry of people who thought the efforts toward 50/50 representation at tech companies were absurd. Cassie Jaye, who calls herself a former feminist, made a 2016 documentary about the Red Pill community and said it had flourished in the tech world.

But the more common phrase in Silicon Valley to signal contrarian thinking is narrative violation, which is often used to describe an event that cuts against the mainstream medias consensus on a topic. The idea is that there is a story being told about the world and how it works, but that the story is too simplistic to be entirely true and an event occasionally pops up to remind people of that.
Why does any of this matter?
Few products today are as deeply entwined with a persons brand as Tesla is with Mr. Musk, and so his comments can feel personal for Tesla drivers.

As a Tesla owner, a 47-year-old male recovering from Covid-19, and someone very concerned simultaneously about the environment, the economy, my kids and my parents future, this aint great, said Jeff Guilfoyle, a product manager at FireEye in San Diego. This disease is no joke, and the long-term health impacts are unknown for survivors.
Many have implored Mr. Musk online to stop.
Raja Sohail Abbas, the chief executive of an outpatient psychiatric clinic in Allentown, Pa., wrote: I am a Tesla owner and love the company. You have to stop being an idiot about this.
Tesla owner and Fan here, but this was a disappointing tweet despite the frustrations of and holdups, added Alex Goodchild, a D.J. in Brooklyn. Words are weapons especially when used during situations like the one were currently experiencing. You sound just like Trump in this tweet.
The debate has riven the Tesla community.
The last two months, theres been this polarization in the Elon Musk fan club, said Paula Timothy-Mellon, a technology consultant who moderates that LinkedIn-based fan club, which has 22,000 members. There are those who are believers in these California guidelines and there are those in favor of his push to re-open Tesla.

Driving a Tesla often carries great symbolism for the owner (and observers).
If you own a Tesla, you feel you are directly connected to Elon Musk and people think that Tesla owners are directly connected to the politics of the C.E.O., said Sam Kelly, a Tesla owner and investor based in Spain who posts under the name SamTalksTesla.
He added that he did not think the red pill comment meant any big new political awakening from Mr. Musk.
Asked to explain his thinking, Mr. Musk pasted an image of the Urban Dictionary definition of red pill in an email. It read:
Red pill has become a popular phrase among cyberculture and signifies a free-thinking attitude, and a waking up from a normal life of sloth and ignorance. Red pills prefer the truth, no matter how gritty and painful it may be.

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Tesla Owners Try to Make Sense of Elon Musks Red Pill Moment
A liberal status symbol now has a founder who is moving to the right.

By Nellie Bowles

• May 19, 2020

Owning a Tesla, the luxurious electric car, is a major liberal status symbol. It signals nothing more than good taste the perfect balance of wealth with care for fossil fuels. But the man behind the brand is crafting a very different persona online that may now prove to be a challenge for his fans.
Elon Musk, the bombastic head of Tesla and SpaceX, exhorted his 34 million Twitter followers on Sunday to take the red pill. The comment was quickly embraced by his followers, including Ivanka Trump, President Trumps elder daughter, who announced that she had taken the pill already.
The exchange referred to a scene from The Matrix, the 1999 science fiction action film. But the meaning of red pill, and the idea of taking it, have since percolated in online forums and become a deeply political metaphor. And with Mr. Musk and Ms. Trump, the phrase is now lodged more fully into the mainstream.

So Tesla owners are having to grapple with a car that carries a few new connotations.
Honestly, Musk is becoming a liability and the Tesla board needs to seriously consider ousting him, wrote Markos Moulitsas, author of The Resistance Handbook: 45 Ways to Fight Trump. And I say that as a proud owner of a Tesla and a SpaceX fanatic who truly appreciates what hes built.

So what is the red pill?
In The Matrix, the movies hero, Neo, played by Keanu Reeves, is given the option to take a pill that lets him see the truth.
The world he thinks is real turns out to be an entertaining lie; his body is actually trapped in a farm where people are being used as human batteries. Taking the blue pill would let him return to living in the ignorant but blissful lie, while taking the red pill would launch him into an arduous journey through a brutal but fulfilling reality.
The idea of taking the red pill later grew to mean waking up to societys grand lies. It was embraced by the right, especially by members of its youngest cohort who organized and spent their time in online forums like Reddit and 4chan.

The truth to be woken up to varied, but it ended up usually being about gender. To be red-pilled meant you discovered that feminism was a scam that ruined the lives of boys and girls. In this view, for a male to refuse the red pill was to be weak.
Red Pill forums were often filled with deeply misogynistic and often racist diatribes. The more extreme elements splintered into groups like involuntary celibates (incels) or
male separatists (Men Going Their Own Way, or MGTOWs). Conferences like the 21 Convention and its sister convention, Make Women Great Again, sprang up to gather red-pilled men. Being red-pilled became a sort of umbrella term for all of it.
As these conversations seeped into the mainstream, pulled along by a host of other internet language from message boards to establishment Republican conversations on sites like Breitbart, the meaning broadened and got watered down. To be red-pilled can now mean being broadly skeptical of experts, to be distrustful of the mainstream press or to see hypocrisy in social liberalism.
Whats going on with Elon Musk?
Mr. Musk has been pretty wild online for years now, which has made him a major internet celebrity with devoted fans who call themselves Musketeers. There are fan pages like Musk Memes with nearly 100,000 followers, and a Reddit page with 200,000 members in constant, extremely active conversation.

Most recently, Mr. Musk has been a prominent skeptic online of the coronavirus, calling the response to it a panic and dumb and wrongly predicting close to zero new cases by the end of April. As of Tuesday, there were more than 90,000 deaths from the virus and more than 1.5 million cases in the United States alone.

Ivanka Trump replied to Mr. Musk that she had already taken the red pill.
The night before Teslas earnings were released last month, Mr. Musk tweeted an anti-lockdown rallying cry: FREE AMERICA NOW. He had a showdown with local lawmakers, threatening to move Tesla headquarters out of California and deciding to reopen a Tesla factory in Fremont, Calif., despite the local countys restrictions to prevent the virus from spreading. When State Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez objected on May 9 with an obscene tweet, Mr. Musk responded, Message received.

Defending his reopening of the Tesla factory, Mr. Musk wrote on Twitter that he would be on the factory floor and offered himself up to authorities. I will be on the line with everyone else, he posted on May 11. If anyone is arrested, I ask that it only be me.


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deoxxys posted...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/05/19/technology/elon-musk-tesla-red-pill.html

Worked for me. I am on mobile though, let's see if I can copy paste.

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BeerOnTap posted...

Just an absolutely despicable comment.

That's putting it lightly.

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*nytimes.com stupid lack of editing ability

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deoxxys posted...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www./20/05/19/technology/elon-musk-tesla-red-pill.html

well that didnt work

Sure didn't since it's missing murmurs.com

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Solid Sonic posted...

Shall I inform Dethklok?

You ask that as if they don't already know.

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Sarcasthma posted...

Could you post the story here? It won't let me read it without logging in first

Try affixing this to the beginning of the above link:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.

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TheOrangeMisfit posted...

I realize polls are usually mindless and repetitive fodder, but this one is insultingly stupid. How the hell is anyone supposed to remember that, or who is keeping track of it? I could totally understand who is your favorite ghost (even though they're just lazy color swaps,) but this is just moronic.

What?! You don't still have your Pac Man notebook detailing the movements of the ghosts and how often they killed you so you know which to be more careful around?

Well that's on you really.

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Revelation34 posted...

Citation needed.

They DID recently start doing clinical trials with a combination of existing drugs, how effective it will be is unclear yet.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-begins-clinical-trial-hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin-treat-covid-19

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ChronxDaHemphog posted...

Will it being voting for Biden?

It's only 99.995% black. So probably not.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

He lives in your scrotum?

What can I say, my balls are just that big. Thanks for noticing.

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