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I understand the Ben skepticism but i think we should go on one of the vanillas today unless ctes gives us a better path with his claim.

I've made my case for myself (locked myself into flavor in my first post, acting the same as i did in another game where i was town vanilla, pushed day 3 to not be a simple railroad on corrik even at risk to myself) and against red (focus on his reactions to Corrik/ Blade, him never putting a vote down on day 3, his soft defense of knightz and when directly asked about wallz said "idk who is that is he angry", and later changes to call him the "safe lynch").

I don't know if I'll have time to look more into mi in the next 12 hours than i already did, which was a bit inconclusive.

So i really think this is the best direction to go.

##Unvote
##Vote: red

Oh and i have Ben closer to the top.

Ok so like 3 changes, that's it

What funny, mi, is my list is almost identical. Swap you for me and move the category of Blade and Ulti to be equivalent to the third as far as how towny i think they are, and that's where i stand.

The vote on mi from Knightz has had me puzzled. It was in t1, # 250.
The last vote before it was igcd voting then unvoting for mi in the same post (said nothing about mi otherwise).
Mi called Knightz scared scum at the top of the page but also didn't want to gang up on the new guy, and wrote off all of knightz' posts as just him being new. Ignored Ulti saying "no this is very major tonal shift from last game where Knightz was town." Responded to knightz' vote on him with "elaborate because it looks like you're mimicking the last vote you saw".

Only Taco and Ulti had votes on Knightz at the time. Wallz had not yet voted for him. Obviously can't say for sure without knowing the whole picture, but it feels quite early in the game for Knightz to be trying to deflect attention from himself towards other players that he knows are scum.

I think I'm concluding that mi is potentially town. And the reason why he wasn't pushed over wallz/ Knightz at eod1 by scum is because 1, they had an uncoordinated member anyway (Knightz ultimately moved his vote to Chang where it languished, alone); 2, they were worried about the damage that Knightz could continue to do to them; 3, if they tried to save Knightz then it would look pretty bad when he inevitably cracks and dies.

So looking back at the eod votes on Knightz.
[8] Knightz - (Taco/Mzero), (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti), (Ulti), Taco/Mzero, Wallz, (Ulti), Isquen, FD, (IGCD), Kirby, (IGCD), MI, (IGCD), Ulti, Death, (IGCD)

Kirby is town. Ulti claims cop and is part of the impasse loop. Death has an inno scan on him that we can be skeptical of. The other unconfirmed on Knightz were Mzero, fd, and mi. Mzero taunter, goes along with sbell's role. Fd claimed pineapple vendor and chang confirms the flavor of it all, with pierce not being among the evil study group. Which just leaves us with... Mi, god dammit.

So the question i really have to ask myself is, do i think wallz is the only scum on the Knightz lynch d1? I really don't. And I've completely talked myself in a circle here on mi.

I already thought Ben was not on scum team but this post from knightz early in t1 really seals the deal there.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/a/a40d23da.jpg

ctesjbuvf posted...

While looking at Ulti's d1 still isn't a bad idea, it's probably fine today to consider vanillas? Kirby still didn't claim his JK right? Otherwise I still think based on Wallz interactions, Peaf is the best lynch.

Can you please elaborate on "wallz interactions"? From my pov that's pretty vague and since i know it gets you to the wrong answer I'd love to help explain any of my past posts and tell you where i was coming from at the time.

We agree on that.

Also thinking it's entirely possible that the team does not have a strongman shot and in its place they have the one time day kill and Knightz' ability to try and do a "redo" if their kill is blocked by Kirby, given the night kill targets.

I feel like igcd content has really leaned heavily on his mechanic more than much else and suspect there's something nefarious at play there. A scan on him would have been nice by now but i understand we can't be getting scans on everyone, Ulti.

Unofficial votals:

[2] Red - (Kirby), MI, Kirby
[1] FD - Ulti
[1] MI - Peaf
[0] Blade - (Ulti)
[0] Ben - (MI), (Ulti)
[0] Ctes - (Kirby)

Forceful_Dragon posted...

And finally, a spreadsheet update:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4f555804.png

Did red ever claim flavor?

Don't believe so.

Hmm. If ben is anti town it would be the second time he piggy backed off of me directly.

Ben 3p as bp neighborizer is more likely than fd 3p as pineapple vendor in my book.

Kinda weird but especially with Sultan as cohost i buy it. Maybe because i was already town reading fd.

MZero posted...

Ulti? Contradict himself?

Why I never

Tbf to Ulti he isn't saying to lynch the doctor.

UltimaterializerX posted...

You factually should never get lynched today because of the impasse loop.

You being Blade.

I'm saying i think the claimed doctor is scum for a variety of reasons. But I'm setting them aside to avoid being too tunneled.

I still think red is scum too. Just like day 3, on day 4 red has done less for red than Blade has.

I'm setting him aside right now too. Attention on mi.

T10p3

Forceful_Dragon posted...

If only for flavor reasons I absolutely doubt Quendra would be anything of the sort. If she is then Lea/Sultan were on shrooms when they made this game. She's a character who doesn't do anything.

This reads to me like earnest town fd reaction to Corrik's fun claim.

This combined with his interactions with Knightz make me think fd is town. Qed.

Meow1000 posted...

Bro you voted for like half the game day 1

He made sure everyone got at least one vote, yeah. But some of them were more serious than others. It's up to us to determine which ones!

Posting nice and early on the new topic so if i get lynched you guys have an easy reference point.

Not including d2 votals because they were controlled by chang and generally irrelevant. Adding Kirby to confirmed town italics for stopping the n1 kill and giving chang for the info he needed to murder wallz. So also adding Chang.
For votals before eod, only including lynch trains with 2 or more votes to avoid clutter.

D1 Votals with 4.5 hours to go
[4] Knightz - (Taco/Mzero), (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti), (Ulti), Taco/Mzero, Wallz, (Ulti), Isquen, FD
[4] Wallz - Ben, (Ulti), Corrik, (Ctes), Chang, Blade
[2] Chang - (Peaf), (Ulti), MI, Knightz

D1 Votals with 1.2 hours to go
[5] Knightz - (Taco/Mzero), (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti), (Ulti), Taco/Mzero, Wallz, (Ulti), Isquen, FD, IGCD
[5] Wallz - Ben, (Ulti), Corrik, (Ctes), Chang, Blade, Kirby
[2] Chang - (Peaf), (Ulti), MI, Knightz
[2] MI - (IGCD), (Knightz), Red, Ulti

D1 Votals with 38 minutes left
[6] Knightz - (Taco/Mzero), (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti), (Ulti), Taco/Mzero, Wallz, (Ulti), Isquen, FD, (IGCD), Kirby, IGCD
[4] MI - (IGCD), (Knightz), Red, Ulti, Peaf, Chang
[3] Wallz - Ben, (Ulti), Corrik, (Ctes), (Chang), Blade, (Kirby)
[2] Chang - (Peaf), (Ulti), MI, Knightz

D1 Votals with 25 minutes left
[7] Knightz - (Taco/Mzero), (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti), (Ulti), Taco/Mzero, Wallz, (Ulti), Isquen, FD, (IGCD), Kirby, (IGCD), MI, IGCD
[4] MI - (IGCD), (Knightz), Red, Ulti, Peaf, Chang
[3] Wallz - Ben, (Ulti), Corrik, (Ctes), (Chang), Blade, (Kirby)

Final D1 Votals
[8] Knightz - (Taco/Mzero), (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti), (Ulti), Taco/Mzero, Wallz, (Ulti), Isquen, FD, (IGCD), Kirby, (IGCD), MI, (IGCD), Ulti, Death, (IGCD)
[3] MI - (IGCD), (Knightz), Red, (Ulti), Peaf, Chang
[3] Wallz - Ben, (Ulti), Corrik, (Ctes), (Chang), Blade, (Kirby)
[1] Chang - (Peaf), (Ulti), (MI), Knightz
[1] Blade - (Sbell), (Lopen), (Ulti), Sbell
[0] Red - (FD), (Peaf), (Kirby)
[0] Kirby - (Peaf), (Ulti), (Sbell), (Red)
[0] FD - (Ulti), (Red), (Chang), (Taco/Mzero),(Lopen), (Ulti), (Ulti)
[0] Taco/Mzero - (Knightz), (Ulti), (Fd), (Lopen), (Death)
[0] Sbell - (Lopen), (Taco/Mzero), (Blade), (Taco/Mzero), (Red), (Kirby)
[0] Ben - (Lopen)
[0] Ctes- (Ulti), (Wallz), (MI)
[0] Ulti- (Lopen)
[0] Isquen - (Kirby)
[0] Lopen - (Kirby)
[0] Death - (Taco/Mzero), (Ulti)
[0] Corrik - (Ulti)
[0] IGCD - (Ulti)
[0] Peaf - (Ulti)
[0] No Lynch - (Ulti)

Final Day Three Votals
[6] Corrik - Ulti, (Kirby), (IGCD), (MI), (IGCD), (Death), Kirby, Blade, (IGCD), Death, (IGCD), Ben, IGCD
[2] Red - (Ben), FD, (Mzero), Peaf, (Kirby)
[1] Peaf - (Corrik), (Blade), Mzero, (MI), (Changmas)
[0] Ctes - (Death)

I gave my reason for why i think ben is town. Additionally, the way he played his claim makes sense to me.

Neighborizer in the last few years here has been scum more than town but it has been both. So I'm weighing him on his non- claim merits.

But let's play that same game with you and red, shall we?

Leafeon13N posted...

Anyone have good reason to townpile MI?

T8 #140

Meow1000 posted...

I don't have one for MI

Or for you

T8 #145

To

Meow1000 posted...

Oh I moved to the new topic a little too early

But yeah Red lynch is vetoed. Not interested in a Red claim atm.

T9 # 402.

From no reason to think he's town to vetoing the lynch, all because Ben voted for him then fd did then i made an argument against him (which you admitted to not even reading). And you decided yesterday that you didn't like Ben, so his claim today was pretty irrelevant for you. Red pushed no leads on day 3 and didn't even vote, but that was enough for you to decide he was town.

I'll agree with you though that I've been too focused on you two. If you're town you're just a sensitive guy, if scum you're doing your best to manipulate me again :) all fair in love and war.

So let's put some attention on one of the guys who looked to be extremely on the sidelines during all the events of day 3.

##Vote: MI

The day has been up for less than 4 hours. I was gone for 1-2 of them. I responded to posts as i saw them, including things regarding Ben, red, Kirby, and Ulti. You really need to cool your self importance.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I just spit out my drink.

You're welcome.

Anyway that Blade quote was the first post he made after red's claim that mentioned vanilla. Is why it's relevant.

Meow1000 posted...

FD pretty blatantly hinted not-vanilla a long time ago.

Blade hasn't reacted to red's vanilla claim. But on the first page of this topic he said he has a town power read on red.

No reflection. No evaluation. Just rage at Peaf.

If anyone not named Blade or ulti or Peaf could please inform the class what transpired between early day 3 and late day 3, please raise your hand and give us your answer.

Meow1000 posted...

The fact that your behavior totally changed when Ulti called it out is interesting because the change suggests you were afraid of town Ulti, but Ulti also didn't call you out on it.

...
Right, there was no other external stimuli that might have changed my behavior in this game from calm, relaxed Peaf to sarcastic peaf. Only Ulti exists. He is the sun. All mafia revolves around him.

What does that even mean

I implore you to actually look at my posts. It's obvious you still aren't. You did s complete 180 on red on day 3 and the only thing that happened in between was a red push started, and i made my vote and argument well after that push happened. I've explained why but you want to think of me as a good scum player instead of a lazy town player. And that's fine! But then you resorted to absurd personal attacks, told me to fuck off, and heavily insulted my ability to play this game.

But right, I'm being mean because Ulti called me too nice. Got it.

UltimaterializerX posted...

That was Bell's fault. I had the game 100% figured out, ironically because I just copied Corrik's logic.

I'm not bringing it up for fun. I'm bringing it up because it was a situation where jk stopped a kill and second guessed themselves because a scum claimed protection (in that game chris this game Blade). But I'm willing to lay off Blade right now due to the impasse loop as described earlier.

Meow1000 posted...

Peaf has been a raging dick in this game since you said he's been acting too nice.

I know you were in a game with me where I was "a raging dick". If you think this game is anything close to how i mistreated Lopen in bloodborne, then you're extraordinarily self- centered and mistaken.

That's not being mean, Blade. That's me being reflective. Because i was a real shitty person to lopen in that game. And I've been cruel towards Corrik and Kirby and wallz in the past. Compared to that, i am being beyond cordial with you in this game. You told me to fuck off multiple times, you and red have both called me a bad player more than once. I've said nothing of the sort to either of you. I told you to calm down and earnestly meant it because you are getting way too aggressive over a word game that kids want to play.

Meow1000 posted...

Oh and who's the guy who immediately launched personal attacks on me when I said Ben claimed scum the first time? That was Peaf.

This is too easy.

Come with receipts, friend. The only personal attack i made on you was jokingly calling you a washed up old man. I assumed the humor there would be obvious given that none of us are actually "old".

TotallyNotMI posted...

so ctes and death are NOT confirmed

Yeah this is my reaction too.

Until there is a gf flip, i will operate under the belief that it is death first, ctes second.

Meow1000 posted...

How convenient that you "scanned" a guy basically no one in the game thought was scum that happened to be shot.

... you thought he was sure scum on day 1 and he basically slipped entirely under the radar on days 2 and 3. If him disappearing made him change your mind on him, i wish I'd have seen it at some point.

Meow1000 posted...

SBell was under basically no suspicion and most players agreed he was town.

It's a terrible scan and I don't buy it.

I swear sbell was in a lot of poe's on day 3. Maybe I'm misremembering. However i do not recall you voicing that opinion at that time.

Meow1000 posted...

Except you conveniently scanned someone people townread who also happened to be shot.

hmmmmm

Saying it more doesn't make it more true.

TotallyNotMI posted...

okay so we're at what 13 alive

scum has 3-4 left

If it's 3 we have 4 more mislynches before mylo
If it's 4 we have 3 more mislynches before mylo

so yeah I think logically it's best to let ulti/blade be? If Blade is scum (which I don't think anyway but), they can't kill Ulti. If Ulti is scum, they can't kill Blade and Ulti has to keep giving us scan results.

This is a pretty reasonable line of thought, mi. I can get behind that for today but i am paranoid of scum accelerating that timeline in some manner, such as with vote cancelations on ctes.

Kirby321 posted...

I'm Jailer.
Blade is Doctor.
And you're apparently Bulletproof.

That feels like a lot of protection for town.

I keep referring back to the game where scum Marth won in final 3 vs Ulti and sbell. I was in your position then and too trusting of the scum that made a protection claim. There is no need to make the same mistake again.

Gonna have to check in on everything after page 5 later tonight.

Ben i have to admit i don't trust a single neighborizer ever

Meow1000 posted...

That would require you to actually be town. You were TMIing on Corrik all day yesterday until forced to actually act on it.

I am the corrik whisperer. I haven't been wrong on him at day 3 in any game where we've both been alive at that time.

Pretty sure it's just red/ Blade/ mi

I do not think Ben as scum would be interested in helping day 3 go in a direction other than Corrik halfway through the day when it was stalling, and would have been content to just let the day drizzle out

Can't be a bus if I'm town, pal

Kirby321 posted...

Hmm... it's convenient, but I'll believe it for now.

This game state looked like it was gonna be a town stomp, but now I'm having trouble figuring out who's actually scum, especially when the nightkills are on people like Isquen and SBell.

And honestly, given that pattern, it wouldn't surprise me if MI actually was the N1 kill, Blade blocked it, and I just happened to roleblock someone on the scumteam who didn't deliver the kill. But now's not the time for rabbit hole conspiracy-ing.

Stop second guessing yourself. I did that as jk and it ruined us.

You stopped the n1 kill. That's that. Blade is making things up to coast.

Can't wait for you to see how wrong you are, buddy. I'm still fine with town lynching me as long as everyone promises to get red afterwards.

Kirby321 posted...

If we're going to massclaim today (which I wouldn't be opposed to), I'd ask that I wait to reveal who I jailed last night until everyone claims. Probably doesn't matter in the long run, and if people think I should show my hand now, I'll do it, but just to be safe.

You reveal that after Ulti claims after everyone else imo.

Ulti, think back to that game where sbell lynched town you instead of scum Marth at the end. I was commuting jk. Scum Chris claimed protection in that game and I'm getting major deja vu with Blade here, and Kirby stopping a kill. Am i crazy?

Well, the corrik and sbell flips don't really show anything different in the votals, because both barely boated i mean voted.
Sbell was the only other other than Knightz to not vote for any of the main 3 on day 1 and he didn't vote once on day 3.

Meow1000 posted...

Until Kirby's claim I fully believed I stopped the kill.

You fully believed that scum randomly shot at... MI, who you said had no town equity

Anyway updates to things shortly

ctesjbuvf posted...

If they are doctor hunting and Blade is town they know moves at night, you would think they shot him would you not

Exactly

Anyway every point i made about red still stands and frankly blade still needs to cool off hard.

I thought that was him saying who the team was, not who he protected. Lol.

Reading while on work calls again :)

UltimaterializerX posted...

Plus, Blade is playing too angry with how far ahead town is.

This is what REALLY got me on my brief reread last night. When red wasn't in danger he asked if anyone had a reason to town clear mi. Blade snarkily said no and i don't have anything for you either.

Then by end of day he was fuming at me and Ben and getting way too personal about this game because red was almost maybe not really in danger.

I don't believe doctor claim with jk. I think Blade would have countered Kirby way sooner. Reminds me of Chris' protection claim in the game where i as JK stopped two of the scum team's night kills.

And he should have at least said who he protected n1 if that was going to be what he came out swinging with.

I feel like they originally had "for most working adults" but got pushback and had to change it. The entire article is about how doing horrible things as a cop DOESN'T end your career, you just go somewhere else that is desperate enough to take you.

Maybe a few bad apples all find their way to the same barrel and are the only barrel that can be used.

https://illinoisanswers.org/2024/05/06/robbins-police-department-most-hires-of-recently-fired-cops/

There's too many quotes in here that are jaw-dropping but I'll include this one because it's almost funny:

In 2013, Robbins Police Chief Mel Davis was fired after state officials discovered that the law enforcement credentials of his hand-picked internal affairs investigator, Douglas J. Smith, were phony. Smiths materials included a photograph of the badge that fictional character Sgt. Joe Friday used in the television show Dragnet.

Yeah I'm really starting to think i was wrong about Corrik, guys

It has occurred to me that Blade has done more to protect red today than red has done to protect red today.

changmas posted...

i mean, it opens Britta too for a more complicated claim!

Yeah i haven't seen enough of the show recently enough to know that lol. I saw "subway" and went "THAT'S ME BRO". I was hoping we could be masons again somehow, if you just targeted the right flavor or something.

Kirby321 posted...

Scum Ben doesn't come up with a believable excuse this quickly. Ben is right. He switched to Red at a time when people were heavily saying "look for other scum besides Corrik"

"People" largely being "peaf". Weird.

Chang, in my defense, I'll say that i basically locked myself in to one very lame flavor if i were scum this game, given what happened with your first post. I'm still salty that there was no payoff for that particular thing.

I've been saying since the start of d2 that me and red should be looked at more (and back then i also included Chang in the list but he has since confirmed himself). So i have no regrets about how today went. People had to pick sides or comment on things far more interesting than "oh look we don't understand why Corrik did what Corrik did, better lynch him for it"

Meow1000 posted...

Useful how about you actually give an opinion on it like Red did

All Peaf seems to want to do is make personal attacks instead of playing the game, though. Very disappointed in him.

I made a sarcastic comment and you retaliated in a far crueler way, twice. You have called me a liar multiple times and ignored the actual arguments that i put in, after berating me multiple times for not giving anything more than "vibes". You need to take a deep breath and drink some water, man.

Anyway, Ulti, about me being too nice this game? My girlfriend set up a bird feeder in the backyard and it's incredible what watching these lil guys has done for me. I highly recommend it.