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TopicDid we all forget that Elizabeth Warren lied about being Native American?
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 4:13:19 PM
#35
Doom_Art posted...
The only people who cared about that were people who weren't voting for her to begin with


So the people voting for her don't care about her lies?
TopicC/D: The U.S.A is the greatest country on Earth today
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 1:51:38 PM
#27
EndOfDiscOne posted...
Bottom 5 if youre a minority or a woman


Saudi Arabia
Iran
Pakistan
Iraq
India
China
Almost any African country

So you're saying America is worse for women and minorities than at least some of these countries? Absolutely ridiculous.
TopicOmar: All Lives Matter regarding her present vote about Turkey's Genocide
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 1:33:17 PM
#34
evil_zombie11 posted...
We always hear about the right messing up but the left aren't angels either.


Yeah, it's so dishonest to even have made that point. All we hear is non-stop news about conservatives being bad.
TopicOmar: All Lives Matter regarding her present vote about Turkey's Genocide
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 1:28:19 PM
#30
Voting present is actually just a way to vote no without going full authoritarian / Armenian Genocide denier.
TopicC/D: The U.S.A is the greatest country on Earth today
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 1:26:34 PM
#18
Damn_Underscore posted...
America haters should move to another country. Legitimately. You're not going to change anything about American society on your own and you're just going to be miserable. Find a job in another country and move there.


Agreed. Hate it? Go to one of those countries you insist is so much better.
TopicC/D: The U.S.A is the greatest country on Earth today
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 1:25:38 PM
#17
LadyVyxx posted...
I'd say somewhere like Sweden probably is or Aruba if you're cool with a laid back lifestyle


I have a better quality of life here in the USA than I would in the same career in Sweden tbqh
TopicOmar: All Lives Matter regarding her present vote about Turkey's Genocide
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 1:25:08 PM
#28
Sackgurl posted...
are the 10 gop members who voted no also armenian genocide deniers


Yes
TopicC/D: The U.S.A is the greatest country on Earth today
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 1:22:56 PM
#13
Easily yes. There's no where I'd rather live, except MAYBE temporarily in Japan for the countryside.

TopicCanadian feminist criticized for her beliefs on trans people
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 1:20:48 PM
#45
@pinky0926

See #41
TopicCanadian feminist criticized for her beliefs on trans people
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 12:26:49 PM
#41
pinky0926 posted...
This is not, "the left eating itself". This is people who probably happen to sit on the left side of the poltiical spectrum having very different ideas about a particular issue.


My problem with everything you're saying isn't that I believe the left always has to agree on everything. It's that this is blatantly not just a simple disagreement. It is clearly people on her side trying to assassinate her character and destroy her freedom of speech.
Topic"Uncircumsized penises are disgusting" - your crush.
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 12:00:09 PM
#4
Find a new girlfriend. Absolutely no tolerance for body shaming someone for not having had genitals mutilated as a baby.
TopicCanadian feminist criticized for her beliefs on trans people
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 11:57:02 AM
#19
IShall_Run_Amok posted...
People with difference of opinion on the left - "the left is devouring itself again!"

Everyone has the same opinion on the left - "liberal hive mind"

The story changes, but the plot's always the same.


See post #18.

This situation is not at all what sane and reasoned disagreement looks like. Trying to silence someone's speech is not disagreement. This is character assassination and income assassination.
TopicCanadian feminist criticized for her beliefs on trans people
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 11:56:15 AM
#18
pinky0926 posted...
I don't think you understood my comment. Criticism is good, and just because someone is "on your team" doesn't mean you should stop thinking critically about what they do and say.

Let me put it another way. It would be nice if the conservative party would "eat itself" occasionally, instead of stumbling around making pathetic attempts to explain away every unexplainable act or comment that Donald Trump makes and losing credibility in the process.


Oh yeah but there is a massive difference between disagreement on something...and your own side protesting your speech and trying to shut down the events that give you income. Please stop being dishonest about this being a simple disagreement. This is a clear attempt to silence someone and to prevent them from making money off their brand.

I only see this type of feasting on one side.
TopicCanadian feminist criticized for her beliefs on trans people
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 11:51:49 AM
#13
pinky0926 posted...
It's extremely telling of how conservatives think that you would suggest "the left" is a homogenous entity that is not allowed to be critical of others roughly on the same political spectrum.


I don't often see SJW civil wars except in the leftist camp, so...
TopicCanadian feminist criticized for her beliefs on trans people
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 11:44:13 AM
#5
Hop103 posted...
There's a big civil war going on in the LGBTQ community. All I can say is that there won't be any winners in this.


Yeah it's really bizarre to see. It seems like sides are forming between hardcore feminists and the transgender community. This isn't the first time this kind of conflict has happened.
TopicCanadian feminist criticized for her beliefs on trans people
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 11:40:51 AM
#1
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50214341

A Canadian library has been criticised for refusing to cancel an event hosting a feminist with controversial views on transgender rights.
Hundreds of protesters gathered outside a branch of the Toronto Public Library as writer Meghan Murphy gave a talk inside.
The library defended its decision to allow her talk on gender identity and "society, the law and women".
Campaigners have called Ms Murphy anti-transgender, which she denies.
Toronto police quoted by Global News said officers had been present inside and outside the event to "keep the peace."

The left devouring itself yet again
TopicOmar: All Lives Matter regarding her present vote about Turkey's Genocide
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 10:47:37 AM
#23
She voted this way because she is an Armenian Genocide denier.
TopicGreta Thunberg turns down environmental award and $51,000 in prize money
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 10:32:36 AM
#6
She must already be quite wealthy then.
TopicOmar: All Lives Matter regarding her present vote about Turkey's Genocide
OnWingsOfMisery
10/31/19 9:28:06 AM
#20
Yikes
TopicIf you think about it.. Both Wolverine and Deadpool have never been circumcised
OnWingsOfMisery
10/30/19 12:53:56 AM
#5
Good. Circumcision is evil
TopicMath is racist
OnWingsOfMisery
10/30/19 12:10:23 AM
#35
AlephZero posted...
math is a tool of the alt right used to spread misinformation


TopicNow there's a legit Civil War in the Fallout 76 community lmao
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 10:32:05 PM
#3
Lmao
Topicwhy don't Americans protest their government as much as other countries do?
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 9:40:01 PM
#15
s0nicfan posted...
In most countries you could have the majority of the population in the capital in an afternoon, and they could be back to work later that day. In comparison, most people in the US aren't going to spend $600 to fly 5 hours each way to protest.

A lot of "why isn't the US like these other countries" questions can be answered by "it's just that big."


No it's capitalism's fault
TopicKotaku is dead
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 4:14:28 PM
#27
Good riddance. Hopefully other similar outlets go under.
TopicJudge partialy re-opens MAGA-Hat kid lawsuit against Washington Post
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 1:52:16 PM
#16
> kids can't make decisions regarding student loans because they're too young

> kid wearing a hat is old enough to anticipate the tarnished reputation due to the media giants straight up lying about him

Yeah ok
TopicAmerica's largest coal company goes bankrupt, can't compete with clean energy
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 12:42:09 PM
#22
Questionmarktarius posted...
Retrain the displaced coal miners to dig up thorium.


Yes please. And in solar/wind.
TopicAmerica's largest coal company goes bankrupt, can't compete with clean energy
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 11:32:23 AM
#19
spudger posted...
well he did ONE thing right. he still propped up the industry as a whole with wasted billions of our tax dollars.


Yeah so did a variety of workers unions. We should let the market do its thing, not elect leaders who want to run things from the top down. And we shouldn't be so susceptible to workers unions that prefer jobs over progress.
TopicAmerica's largest coal company goes bankrupt, can't compete with clean energy
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 11:31:23 AM
#18
Solid Sonic posted...
Thing is I don't know how accessible renewable energy is to large metropolitan areas.

I know where I live we still rely on traditional energy resources. No effort has been made to wean or transition to something different that is better so it leaves me to wonder what about the rest of the country.


You'd be surprised how far solar panels can go even in the cloudier parts of the country. It will be more of a challenge to install the batteries needed to power everything at night when there is no sunshine, but it is doable.

Wind/nuclear are good too. Nuclear isn't renewable but it helps get us there.
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 11:30:09 AM
#138
Rexdragon125 posted...
Yes let me shop around for hospitals while I'm unconscious and bleeding out, lol


Clearly this would only work for things that you can shop for. A colonoscopy and most routine checkups can definitely be shopped around for. Not everything is an emergency, which is why the common advice is to go to an urgent care center rather than an emergency room.

Let's not be facetious in order to avoid ideas that are too challenging.
TopicAmerica's largest coal company goes bankrupt, can't compete with clean energy
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 11:26:07 AM
#11
Solid Sonic posted...
Honestly, cool.

But if traditional energy is going to fail (and I want it to), we need to make sure the renewable energy resources that are going to replace it can handle the workload.


They will be able to handle the load. They're being installed at breakneck speed. Even the most optimistic person 5 years ago couldn't have predicted the fast rate of adoption.
TopicAmerica's largest coal company goes bankrupt, can't compete with clean energy
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 11:24:52 AM
#9
spudger posted...
so instead of investing in clean energy like OBAMA did. TRUMP decided to bail out coal-a dead industry.

TRUMP A MORON


MC_BatCommander posted...
But Trump was gonna bring back coal


In August 2017, Robert Murray, a forceful Trump supporter, wrote a letter to the Trump administration urgently requesting an emergency order to protect coal-fired power plants from being closed. In the letter, he warned the White House that failure to issue the order would spark the immediate bankruptcies of his company and a major customer.

"Our time is running out. Please fight for us," the executive wrote in the letter.

However, the Trump administration rejected that cry for help because officials determined there wasn't enough evidence to warrant the use of emergency authority.
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 11:17:34 AM
#134
Here is a post I just made about the power of markets.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78119234

We do not leverage this power in healthcare currently. We need to force hospitals to compete on price. Cash and Medicare prices are not currently published by hospitals, even for procedures and treatments that are typically always the same. We can't even begin to get this effect in healthcare until we do that.
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 11:15:56 AM
#133
Makeveli_lives posted...
Colon checks are standard for old people aren't they? Like a yearly thing? Or are they different procedures?


No, you usually get one by 50 and then another one each ten years until you are 80. They are not a yearly thing for the majority of people.
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 11:15:10 AM
#132
bloodydeath0 posted...
i think laser eye surgery is one of the few things that works this way. drove costs way down and you can look up where you wanna go and what you wanna pay


Yeah and the same thing would happen with every service if we published pricing the same way.
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 11:14:50 AM
#131
darkmaian23 posted...
So your family member owed a $100 copay for insurance you claim they didn't have? Also, nowhere in the real world can you talk to the hospital and and negotiate giving them so little money. Based on some quick research, unless you are in an extremely rare situation, the most you can expect to get your costs reduced by is about 40%.


Sorry I meant office fee. Copays are office fees but usually an insurance term. But it definitely is a true story, I promise even if I can't prove it.

Balrog0 posted...
yeah of course he's just making stuff up


It actually happened.
TopicAmerica's largest coal company goes bankrupt, can't compete with clean energy
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 11:13:47 AM
#1
"Power companies are ditching coal in favor of cleaner alternatives at a rapid pace. US power plants are expected to consume less coal next year than at any point since President Jimmy Carter was in the White House, according to government forecasts released earlier this month."

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/10/29/business/murray-energy-bankruptcy/index.html

The market is doing its thing! To reiterate from last night's conversation, the market could also improve healthcare if we actually let it do so by forcing hospitals to publish their cash and Medicare prices in public portals.
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 1:21:08 AM
#109
tremain07 posted...
I wonder what the american health care system would look like if they just turned away people who can't pay would it get cheaper?


Most of the time they'd rather treat you and bill you something, even if it's a tiny amount as a payment plan. And they'll leverage state programs to get grants and other sources of funding for patients who can't afford care.

It'd be great to have the government put a giant pile of cash into such grants, but we'd also need hospitals to lower their prices. Best way to do that is published pricing so that competition can do its thing.

We really need a public-private partnership on this.
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 1:19:50 AM
#108
tri sapphire posted...
The reason costs aren't inflated in other countries is because they don't have insurance as a middle man.

Hospitals have such ridiculous charges because they're preempting the insurance companies haggling those charges down when it comes time to pay out.


Costs are inflated in other countries, they are just hidden behind giant taxes. That is why you see the healthcare systems in Canada, the UK, and other western countries strained and requiring constant infusions of cash from additional taxes. To say that the costs aren't inflated is ridiculous.

Hospitals preempt the insurance companies because they want the insurance companies to just settle for a higher amount than the hospitals are entitled to. This is a classic example of hospital greed. The insurance companies themselves aren't incentivized to pay higher than what the treatment actually costs.

The only real solution to this overcharging from the hospitals is to force the hospitals and doctors to publish their prices in public portals. That way if TC needs another colonoscopy, he can just search what they cost all around him and pick the cheapest and best reviewed one.

The market would do its thing if the information was available. Many healthcare needs can be shopped for.
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 1:07:55 AM
#102
tri sapphire posted...
So you're saying that we don't even need insurance, and that all anyone in America has to do is "talk to the hospital" and they'll immediately drop all charges?

Can I sue you if this doesn't work?


No, I was just raising an anecdote to respond to the other guy's anecdote. Mine really did happen, but I'd still have insurance because not every hospital will be as forgiving.

I'm all for finding ways to get the hospitals to reduce costs btw.
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 12:42:30 AM
#98
bIuerain posted...
You're right, it's so much better having a healthcare corporation take that money out of your paycheck instead, so that they can not cover you and you still owe them thousands in debt for a life-saving operation.

Also, our current system costs more than that so lol. Even the Koch brothers own study say so.


In this case the insurance company saved the TC from having to pay what was billed by the hospital, and instead he paid a much smaller amount that could probably be reduced further if he'd make a phone call. That's what insurance is for, too. If you budget for regular healthcare needs you can easily afford regular checkups.

The current system is expensive because doctors in America charge too much. That could be remedied by forcing them to publish their cash and medicare prices publicly.

bIuerain posted...
*government takes money out of your paycheck as taxes so that you get good health insurance*

Libertarians: This is tyranny.

*employer takes money out of your paycheck to give to an insurance corporation, you get dogshit insurance and are in medical debt for the rest of your life if you ever need an operation*

Libertarians: This is great, actually. True freedom.


Well in the libertarian's case, you simply opt not to carry insurance and just pay cash for services. If you guys are going to contend that insurance doesn't cover anything, why have it at all except for catastrophic events like car crashes or rare illness? Instead you can save and pay cash for regular checkups that will end up costing $50 or $100 for a visit. Preventive things are free with any insurance plan that covers you for a full year, even if it's a cheap plan.

It's more palatable than being forced to pay for more than you use. Some things that you don't use much but that cost only cents out of your dollar are hard to notice, but we would need to raise taxes on regular people to account for $30 trillion in unfunded liabilities if we did this.

bIuerain posted...


A family member of mine was in vacation in Poland. He has no insurance, American, European, or otherwise. He gets in an accident and breaks his arm. Has to go to a Polish ER. He gets a CAT scan, they fix him up, put his arm in a sling and give him some painkiller meds. In and out in a day.

You know what the grand total was?

Ninety whole f***ing dollars. Just $90. And this is with no insurance whatsoever.


A family member was in the hospital due to a bad infection. No insurance. He spent three days in the hospital, including one in the ER with lots of antibiotics. The bill did arrive as a large sum but after talking to the hospital they waived all fees except for a $100 copay for each of the days he was in the hospital. So he spent $300 total plus parking.

More expensive than your $90, but no huge taxes.
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 12:17:29 AM
#90
TreyFlowers posted...
I will forever be completely fine with paying $1700 a year on healthcare (my current contribution at my wage), even if I don't use it, because people do need it and one day I will need it or my family will need it.


We would be paying a lot more than that in forced taxation. Even after getting rid of premiums, people would mostly have to pay more to make up the $30 trillion funding hole. And it would hit the uninsured very hard.

Not to mention that your opinion shouldn't be imposed on someone else's wallet.
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 12:13:19 AM
#88
hockeybub89 posted...
Healthcare shouldn't even be a business


Why shouldn't a better doctor charge a higher premium for their expertise?

Why shouldn't someone who improves a medicine or a process sell their new method?
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/29/19 12:01:06 AM
#85
vigorm0rtis posted...
"Put it on a payment plan. "


I mean if you want to ignore everything else that was said, sure. $125 is not a lot. He can probably get it reduced to $0. Average American spends $12,000 a year on dining out and entertaining, so discretionary budget can certainly accommodate rate treatment.
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/28/19 10:38:39 PM
#77
pegusus123456 posted...
lol


Do you think that knowing what each hospital and doctor charge for services would do nothing?
TopicRate this gigantic thicc girl.
OnWingsOfMisery
10/28/19 10:37:48 PM
#17
Why does she look like that tall creature from It Follows
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/28/19 10:29:21 PM
#74
Archibleedies posted...
Why'd you guys derail tcs topic so hard by responding to that obvious troublemaker


I addressed TC's post to the extent that it merited being addressed. $125 a month is not that much to budget for. The hospital will even do less than that if you ask.

I'm pretty sure TC could even make a phone call and get his portion of the bill reduced to $0.
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/28/19 10:28:27 PM
#73
Bullet_Wing posted...
Sure Obamacare is shit, but it's better than the GOPs solution of "Die in a gutter or get better"


The GOP solution right now is to force hospitals to publish the cash prices and Medicare prices in publically accessible portals so that the competition will drive costs down.

A colonoscopy is something you could shop around for, and publicly viewable prices at all hospitals would immediately reduce costs due to the way the market works when people know pricing ahead of time.
TopicAmerican healthcare is great! Routine colonoscopy = $18,000
OnWingsOfMisery
10/28/19 10:27:07 PM
#71
Scody posted...
I seem to be reading a part where you stated "The average person will probably get 2 or 3 in their lifetime."


That is based on the recommended frequency of colonoscopies for the average person, cited by the Harvard medicine link I provided.
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