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Sayu 2/8/7.
One more purple talent scroll and a crystal marrow reset left to finish up raising Sayu.

Sucrose might be better, but Sayu heals instead, she is very fast paced, her attacks are all near instant.

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50 (+15 previous) rolls into 50% pity Yoimiya banner.
Sayu C1, Diona C6, no Yoimiya. (also favonius lance and a Xinyan)
The banner was a great success and since I'm skipping Baal, I'll have Kokomi for sure.

Toyed around with a Sayu C1 lv80, Rainsplitter lv80, 2/5/2, VV 4set, ATK% ATK% Critrate (almost 50% rate, 100% cdmg).

One thing I gotta say for sure, she is incredibly fun and adorable. Basically a sleepy Qiqi.

She obviously wasn't very strong yet, I probably need to raise skill and burst talents to lv8 tomorrow.
As usual with anemo, if you set up good reactions she quickly cleans out enemies, she abuses swirl a lot.
Her burst has a huge green circle showing you its heal and attack range, it causes a small anemo AoE around the enemy it hits.
Her skill ram hit rate feels like 2 times a second, but not each of them will swirl.

When it comes to her non-combat abilities, her passive lets you sneak up on small animals and crystalflies without then running away. However, the instant you pick up a crystalfly, they will all start running away, so PC players basically gain nothing from it. Mobile players and those who have a bad connection will benefit from being able to pick up at least one.

Her skill basically behaves like Ayaka/Mona dash. I feel it's a bit faster, steers better (you can spin on a spot), but it can get stuck the same and doesn't go past ledges. In turn, you can always cancel it into a jump to keep moving uninterrupted.

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The way Sayu swirls, maybe I should build a Kokomi Sayu6 Fischl6 Baal team, Sayu main dps

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DarkRoast posted...

So is Yoimiya the next Ganyu

Closer to Tartaglia, but seemingly worse synergy in teams?

I'm kinda expecting Kokomi to end up a much better dps solo, lol

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Against large group like oceanids or the PMA

PMA itself is single target.
Though F12-3 is different, you're right n that case

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

is jean any good?

She doesn't stand out in healing and damage as much as main role chars, but afaik she is viable at both.

She has the unique quirk that she infuses anemo, which lets you cleanse all elemental debuffs (2.5x cooldown, energy drain, stamina drain, constant damage, iirc). She also can basketball enemies for fall damage.

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Irony posted...

She's gonna be junk

An incredible present for newbies who get both Xiangling and Aloy to carry them, I suppose. If used properly she might be good for starters.

As for Spiral Abyss, I imagine the slow build up of power and awkward coil restrictions will cripple her pretty badly.
No constellations to repair her kit either.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Rumors are circulating that La Signora is gonna be the "third banner in 2.1" and she will be the anniversary unit essentially.

not in beta tests, sounds very fake unless she's 2.2

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Actually, yes, prototypes will be easier to get coz they're buffing the weekly chance by 25%!
Coz there's a 5th weekly boss

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Freeze doesn't benefit from elemental mastery

EM buff is ONE of the many things Sucrose does

Tyranthraxus posted...

The benefit you get from swapping in Beidou to hit a 30k skill + insane burst damage will contribute substantially more

It'll also potentially reduce Ayaka's critrate by 55%, lead to a garbage superconduct reaction and you pick it over element spreading Xingqiu+Sucrose deliver or cryo shred + 20% damage buff + gathering Sucrose delivers

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TwoDoorPC posted...

i was planning to skip the next banner and save towards baal, so sayu isn't very likely for me. i do have a c5 beidou though. that sounds like a good shout, thanks.

Don't pull anyone and just stick with the group. Sucrose greatly benefits the team (resistance drop, large damage buff, element spreading, gravity pulling), and your team is pretty much perfect.
Sayu is a vastly inferior option. Xingqiu vs Mona is purely preference. Beidou and Baal are harmful to Ayaka

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DarkRoast posted...

Yeah. Wish Keqing's burst was stronger. It does charge fast, though.

I love how fast it recharges and how quickly it releases you, it makes her a pretty good switch out dps with my Klee

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DarkRoast posted...

Keqing's DPS is surprisingly close to Ayaka's

except the reverse Eula burst on Ayaka
Easily dishing out 246000 damage in one press is beyond Keqing

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gNxZ2xab1J6o1TuNVWMeLOZ7TPOqrsf3SshP5DLvKzI/pubhtml?gid=100510092#

This is always a good place to find quick gear advices for all chars.

Can you afford Blackcliff? Amenoma?
As usual, build critbalance. Since Blizzard is optimal, you can invest minimally into critrate and focus on critdamage, but you need a hydro to freeze for the extra 20% critrate.
Ayaka has effectively 100% cryo uptime, so cryo goblet.

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meralonne posted...

to farm two bosses to level up characters

it's an issue that completely disappears if you do all events and fight 4 weekly bosses. We're getting a 5th one soon.

And just saying but PMA only drops geo, cryo

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If you want some hints, iirc....
1. Middle island, explore the small islands to the south. Maybe there's one in the balethunder shipwreck to the east.
2. East Island, the very peak of the castle in Inazuma City, also underground in the cave below it. There's one in the islands to the east or northeast. Two can be visible at Sakura Tree.
3. West Island, in a group of islands to the north or a bit northwest

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Wondering if I should hunt for the electroculus or just wait for 2.1 / the reputation compass.

If you reached lv6 and tree lv20 there is no point.
You'll hunt for more in 2.1 and 2.2, daily quests or events will very likely lead you towards a place where it becomes visible on minimap eventually

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the 100% on the map isn't real. It's always very lenient

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DarkRoast posted...

it will make Bennett even more useful than ever, at the expense of Qiqi and Barbara.

Corrosion says it stacks.
I'm not sure how big the damage is, but if it's significant, it might need very fast powerful heals to keep up after a Venti/Kazuha pull.
Even if it isn't that strong, corrossion will be draining your whole team, so Barbara's, Noelle's, Sayu's (?) and Kokomi's healing would have an advantage over Bennett's or Diona's. Your team can drop to 15%, your active char can be killed.

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zhongli shatters freeze tho, which Ayaka completely depends on (even a split second without freeze can be a big loss of damage).
Ayaka also needs energy so Diona is a superior choice.

As for the "flexible", Ganyu's burst gains a massive damage increase with gravity pulling, so Sucrose helps big time

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Some leaks suggesting Kokomi is having her kit retooled as a DPS who just has great healing kinda like Noelle.

Not sure about that. To be the most important things, in order:

1. Hydro application powers (leaks imply it's about Albedo skill range)
2. Subdps (that she can deal damage with her skill off-field, preferably HP scaling coz ATK scaling and 0% critrate erases her damage output)
3. Preferably good main dps power (at the very least Tartaglia tier, because then I can enjoy maining her while I'm not freezelocking shit)

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DarkRoast posted...

How can they even balance for characters like Zhongli? Attacks that ignore shields?

I expect 2.1 to be pretty obnoxious about it.
Corrosion stacking AND constant 1% hp damage during the second phase on top of each other will probably make people wish they had Kokomi and Qiqi.

And who knows if they'll add new enemies that can purge buffs or apply damage over time that can leak into shields. We already have Baal blocking visions too.


There's this island too, so I expect more balethunder hijinx

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Nobushi seem to become immune to shit like Freeze if they perform their heal. Even Zhongli can't petrify them. It's super annoying.

Yeah but that's exactly what freeze is for.
Stunlock em before they have a chance to get the weapon enchant in.

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They're freeze bait more than anything

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imagine having 2 electro chars in team just because you need a battery lol

Pretty much only fireworks can afford that

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2.1 Spiral Abyss phase 2: Within 10s after using Elemental Burst, the same character's Normal and Charged Attacks will unleash a shockwave at the position of the enemy they hit at the cost of 1% of the character's HP. Up to one shockwave every 1s.
You may die from the HP loss.

found this leak. Reminder F11 will have corrode on top of that.

If you listen closely, you can hear Yanfei, Klee crying in the background.
Hu Tao getting her coffin ready.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

what can I say I have a lot of weapons

it's a weapon banner whaling issue I suppose

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Yeah and?
There has never been a time I ran low on weapon crystals coz you only need very few weapons but still get a good supply of crystals

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It's very much worth it coz everything scales on that base damage and it's extremely cheap and easy to go lv80->90 in case of weapons

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Blue_Thunder posted...

Wait do you get something for killing all the enemies?

I don#t remember to be honest. I just wiped that ship out

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ChrisTaka posted...

I got curious and went there to see what was so bad about it ..... then I saw the water lol

There are 2-3 things hidden there iirc.
Including fighting waves of annoying enemies

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Bennett still #1

Only Sara has a chance to replace him, yet she has worse multipliers, more synergy with electro (Keqing specifically) and you can still stick her together with Bennett.
Damage buffs are too effective.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Ganyu still #2

Great synergy with Venti and massive numbers not restricted by energy or cooldowns. Yeah, she's staying there till some pyro version of her comes out.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Venti still #3 but Kazuha is pretty high up

You'd think Samurai would lower his popularity, but the abyss is still mostly pullable enemies, like that electro flower chamber is a pain in the ass without anemo.

They're adding bosses, but those are actually vulnerable to venti's burst coz of low mobility, I think?

DarkRoast posted...

Nobody ever uses Noelle T_T

Meta prefers passive healers/shielders instead to maximize their main dps

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I'm glad I don't need ruin machines, I usually avoid em in Inazuma coz they're a pain in the ass and waste time.
On the bright side they often start grouped so Ayaka ends them

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New Spiral Abyss 33* cleared.
F9-F11 are a fucking joke with Yanfei+Ganyu and Klee+Ayaka.
F12 enemies are so horribly tanky I end up losing 1 star in each chamber.

IMO this is the least frustrating Spiral Abyss in a while, but very hard to 36* coz of how tanky enemies became.
Low/High Tides can be annoying if phased at inconvenient times

I highly recommend you guys take a pyro character to the Cryo Hypostasis and a hydro character to the Pyro Hypostasis fight if you don't want to time out.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Anyone have any strategies to do the Inazuma talent domain faster? Everything is so spread out the treasure hoarders never group up and the samurai dash all over the fucking place and heal themselves it takes me like 2 minutes to go through them all and it's annoying.

Venti, hydro application, well-timed Ayaka dash+skill+burst.
The pyro/electro Samurai have to be killed quickly (or freeze locked) when their hp reaches about 50% coz they'll heal themselves after some time passes.

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AFAIK, optimally: apply hydro -> dash -> skill -> N4C -> N2C
And use burst on frozen targets when available.

I feel like your issue are low talents and way too much focus on crits, completely ignoring your ATK (only 1 artifact and you're using a 4* weapon, though it's a very good one)
Your flower and feather are good.
Your sands, goblet, circlet need to be improved.

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Seems like I have all artifacts and weapons ready for Sayu (full EM gear and crit balance, ATK, Recharge mixed into substats). Gonna try Rainslasher.

And Kokomi (actually have 3 good +20 circlet variations with HP% main stat, Healing Power with high HP substats and Healing Power with very high ATK% stat). Going to try 2x Heart of Depth (hydro power), 2x Maiden's (scales healing power additionally directly into damage multipliers?). Will try Sacrificial R2, but Amber R2 is an option. There's still enough time to collect more refinements for both.

That means I'm all out of urgent things to spend resin on, guess I should grind Ayaka's Blizzard gear, reducing my critrate with cryo resonance closer to something like 80-90%, and trying to raise critdmg all the way to 250% if possible?
My circlet and goblet in particular are kinda bad

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Ayaka 10/8/10, leveling complete!
And since I was already in the menu, I randomly rose Klee from 10/8/8 to 10/9/9.


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Raikuro posted...

Reminder Sayu's swirl healing only kicks in while she's active on the field

Wait, her passive seriously only works while she's on-field? That's...quite meaningless?

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Sayu's reaction healing is garbage. It's literally just 300 HP + 1.2 HP for every point of EM you have. Giving her an extremely generous 600 EM, that roughly translates to 1020 HP every 2 seconds max. It's meant to be on par with things like Jean's passive attack heal.

lol "extremely generous"? Reaching 800 EM is easy, going beyond that is tough without buffs. And yeah, it's 1260 HP heals for the whole group every 2 seconds every swirl.
At C1, should you get hit, you fall below 70% hp and Sayu's tanuki will immediately restore your health each tick until you go back to 70% (from which point the swirl healing will keep you safe).

Then C6 will have the tanuki scale on EM, too.

Tyranthraxus posted...

It's meant to be on par with things like Jean's passive attack heal.

Jean wastes your field time with her insignificant passive attack damage, Sayu does this whole thing in 1 press and adds shred, swirl, at C6 EM scaled tanuki damage.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Meanwhile Qiqi's talisman can be inflicted at all times even when her burst is down

Both have long cooldowns and as much as I love Qiqi, she doesn't grant you any utility.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Sayu is simply going to be a side grade to Bennett

Reminder Bennett is the best healer char only for his massive buff and pyro synergy. She doesn't replace him nor is a "side grade", they're used in different groups

Tyranthraxus posted...

Additionally there's no EM claymores except Rain slasher and Bloodstained which are both terrible.

Yeah, but just having EM means a lot to her and Rainslasher might be a big benefit in fireworks teams, but I don't know.

Tyranthraxus posted...

There's no hope of her even coming close to replacing Jean and definitely can't heal better than Qiqi

More like there is no hope for a waste of field time like Jean to even come close to being as useful as Sayu and people already treat Qiqi like the worst char for only healing, while Sayu has a very good kit for keeping everyone at 100% HP, grants good utility on top of it.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Honestly though this game needs to be a lot more generous with Acquaint Fates. The character rewards were a nice idea but there needs to be a replenishing source. Like, after hitting reputation 10, doing 3 bounties in that area gives an Acquaint Fate.

in my opinion it'll happen soon, or maybe at Sumeru, because you lose the need to be stingy when the standard pool is very underwhelming compared to limited one and when the game have a very high character count.

We're at the point where permanent 5*s are becoming weak compared to recent limited chars.

Kokomi and Sayu will possibly be superior to Qiqi's healing (happens constantly together with damage and reactions).
Jean has cleansing and volleyballing, but otherwise Sayu may be superior.
Diluc can be inferior to all other 5* pyros and even Yanfei can be a better choice coz of high range, double shield drain, C4 self shielding and free C6 CA spam.
Keqing suffers from being electro main dps without utility (however, Sara C6 + Kazuha might skyrocket her dps!)
Mona has her omen and taunt, but otherwise Kokomi might completely replace her for hydro application with 100% uptime and healing.

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empowered cryo regisvine was at least new and challenging for 1-2 attempts.

this is just fighting the same PMA over and over after we already grinded the shit out of it for Ayaka

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

Is there anything else I should do ASAP?

Explore Inazuma City.

Do the sidequest about purification so that you get the lens and learn to use it as soon as possible, because otherwise you'd have explore the first island again to find some objects.

I thiiiiink it's the one that leads into a small village snd has you talk to someone? Not sure. It starts right on the sand road outside of Ritou, the one where you learn to enter barriers.

There are some interesting quests in the 2nd and 3rd island too, but you're in no rush, they'll just block your exploration / puzzle solving a bit until you discover them. Until then, if anything looks impossible to solve or suspicious, mark it on map

And reputation quests in Kamisato Manor

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Lukey_Bug posted...

What is up with this Sakura Arborist quest? I've done two of the trees and gotten them to stop blasting me but it still says im 0/5? Am I missing something im supposed to do after that?

Step 1: find the tree
Step 2: use elemental sight to find weird circles on the ground
Step 3: Break all 3 circles around the tree with its lightning.
Step 4: Go to the now blooming tree and inspect the glowing area on it.

You should now have the quest log say 1/5. Repeat.

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you should have a sidequest in the quest log that asks you to deliver the girl's letter to some guy.

Do that. It's just one short quest.

And you should explore the whole Inazuma City very thoroughly before finishing the ayaka+yoimiya story quests. It will make things a bit more comfortable for you later.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Also Beidou had a swim speed buff just in case you overlooked that

I think the fastest swim speed buff in the game goes to Ayaka lol.
I'm legit too lazy to use teleport at this point when I need to reach the shore coz I can just dash to it.

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I might need Trav-E for Kokomi main dps role

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Ayaka lv90!
Just need 10 more blue handguards and I'll be 10/6/8.
From there the final things to do would be
a) 10/8/10-ing her
b) redoing some artifacts to improve crit balance, critdmg is too low.

After that I can focus on Sayu and Kokomi

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Welp, I somehow screwed myself over.
No chest in chimney (I remember collecting), no chest on bridge on a cliff (I see an electro seelie sitting in its node), no chest on the peak house rooftop.

EDIT: Oh, now I get what was wrong. It's not the top part inside the chimney, there's a broken wall in the middle that has the key

DarkRoast posted...

A CR this low would be OK with 4-piece Blizzard Strayer and on a Freeze Comp, right

Your 80% is good

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Raikuro posted...

The abyss bonuses next patch will probably just be something

...i checked leaks:

F9: A constantly growing electro damage field (i guess like the amplifier challenge event. Probably good idea to have a healer or gravity puller)

F10: Leader and attendants (again amplifier. Very cancerous coz they buff defenses and heal the leader, gravity pulling probably recommended)

F11: Defeating enemies hits all party members with a damage over time effect (corrosion) every second for 10 seconds. Active characters can die, inactive characters cant drop below 15% hp.
Corrosion stacks.
Second group will face geovishap + pyro flower + big pyro slime.

F12: no disorder.
First group will face Maguu Kenki, Second group will face mecha-oceanid (PMA).

Blessings:
Phase 1: Stacking ATK buff on burst


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2nd island big quest won't make balethunder go away, if that's what you mean...then again the quest didn't have a clear conclusion yet.
What you can do is upgrade your electrograna, coz iirc there are upgrades increasing its duration and its count of hazard absorption.

And just an advice, but...you'll likely be seeing sheer cold / balethunder / other anti-shield effects a lot from now on. Especially in Spiral Abyss, because 2.1 has a 5* limited healer
Get a healer. Shield meta is getting a kick in the butt coz it's harmful to the game long-term.

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