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adjl posted...

He's got a reputation of being a hero based on past accolades and whatnot, but he's very obviously inferior to Shulk in every way because Shulk just happened to be the "chosen one" who could use the Monado properly. Even if he weren't injured, Dunban would have been slaughtered when Colony 9 was attacked because they were so hopelessly outgunned that "guy who can kind of use the only known weapon that can reliably damage mechon" wouldn't have been remotely enough. The only reason the Colony survived the attack is because Shulk magically developed the ability to use the Monado flawlessly the first time he tried. Dunban was too weak to save anyone.

The only reason Dunban was able to become the "hero of Sword Valley" was because he worked his ass off to be strong enough to wield the Monado despite its efforts to kill him, and it still almost did him in. The world lauds him for his accomplishments there, but he knows he barely scraped by and that Shulk has far more heroic potential than he ever will (even if that potential is later explained and Dunban doesn't really need to feel bad in comparison), a difference in power levels that is extremely apparent throughout the story.

Most of the party just has mundane weapons. Reyn's got a weird pointy shield thing, Sharla's got a generic rifle, Riki literally has a sock puppet on a stick (literally.), Seven's got a couple of knives... A katana is nothing unusually mundane, even if his is one of the first anti-mechon weapons available (which is a consequence of new technology being developed, not of Dunban magically being capable of hurting mechon despite not having a special weapon). He's no less plausible a party member or hero than anyone else; Shulk and (to a lesser extent) Melia and Seven are the only ones with any inherent traits that make them more powerful than anyone else in the world.

Which is all Dunban's ever had, and the only reason he was able to take up the Monado in the first place and become that war hero everyone loves him as.

Yeah, but Shulk is a more realistic human despite his OPness. I do admire Dunbans determination as a single trait, but having that and also having him be wise like hes 60 even though hes 30, being courageous, making friends with almost anyone he meets makes him feel fake. You refuse to see the difference between character flaws and situation disadvantages. Theres nothing about him that I actually hate, its just that all of his flaws being situation disadvantage makes him annoyingly perfect as a person to me.

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agesboy posted...

his character flaw is that he fails at things he tries to accomplish regularly, which is a pretty big one. he's permanently crippled himself over trying too hard to be something he's not

What are you talking about here? Sword Valley? Metal Face? Also, thats a flaw in his situation, not his character.

did you miss the part extremely early on in the story where the monado causes severe strain on anyone but shulk when using it, and how shulk has superpowers noone else has

Thats because Zanza was in him and that Monado can only be truly wielded by Zanza.

i am specifically talking about the dichotomy between shulk and dunban, not anyone else. not any overarching themes with the story, but dunban's insecurities and insufficiencies he wrestles with throughout the story despite the fact that he really tries. why are you bringing up everyone else?

Ok fair. But what Im trying to say is that even though Shulk has more other advantages(which are more often than not caused by above spoilery reasons) Dunban has a more unbelievable character.

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agesboy posted...

dunban is absolutely not a perfect character because he's a veteran that's already racked up accolades over his whole life that shulk massively overshadows in the short amount of time the game takes place

both he and the player know that compared to shulk he's a fake hero who got as far as he did off raw effort that doesn't scratch the power of innate talent; the rest of the world having an inflated opinion of him doesn't diminish from that but instead makes it worse on him when the "chosen one" finally shows up

i don't understand why you think a character being archetyped as a lauded war hero makes them automatically boringly perfect, his flaws are plain to see

No, the fact that hes one of the heroes even though Shulk has the Monado now and he just has a katana and lost the use of his arm means that he isnt a fake hero. Hes so overly heroic that hes kind of unbelievable to me and it annoys me that he has no meaningful character flaws. Thats all.

Also screw outta here with your innate talent. Thats entirely against the point of the game. Did you even play it? Did you miss all the stuff about will to fight and not throwing your life away? Seven mortals literally go and kill god. Say whatever you want about the visions, but you cant deny that Reyn, Sharla, and Riki made it through willpower alone. Reyn and Sharla were defence force mooks and Riki was a dude trying to pay off his debt. But they took up their weapons and fought against an entire army of badasses in mechs and later, literal god anyway.

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adjl posted...

He tried, but he failed because Shulk was just so much better than him at being the hero

I get your point with the one arm thing, but this confuses me. Shulk was this nerdy weapon dev/Monado analyst who has to rise to the challenge and experienced a lot of hardship along the way. Dunban was the old guy who had already seen everything before the game happened, and is co-hero with Shulk even though they play him as support. He was known everywhere as Dunban, hero of Sword Valley, while Shulk was Monado Boy most places. His history of being this untouchable hero cements his role in the party and the overall game as well imo.

Aaantlion posted...

And, honestly, one of the best JLU moments is when we learn that Superman was holding back throughout the entire series when he finally lets loose on Darkseid. #WorldofCardboardSpeech

Holding back thats the most pathetic trope Ive ever seen. Imo the power scaling shouldnt be so jank that people get curbstomped in the first place, especially if theres no story payoff after, but if they do it should be because their opponent was training or they were overconfident or something. If the only reason is because their opponent was holding back the whole time, thats lazy writing and insulting all the characters that were fought before. Imagine being a boxer/tennis pro/Smash player or whatever. You enter a tournament, do fairly well, but in the quarterfinals you get eliminated in a really close match. You continue watching the tournament, and in the next round the guy who seemingly barely beat you totally whoops a dude twice your skill level. Would you not be offended? To me, doing well against someone who was holding back doesnt really count, real ability isnt being tested if youre just getting toyed with and thinking youre winning. I havent read or watched any Superman, but the holding back crap is a huge turn-off for anything I might be interested in.

rant over

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adjl posted...

Spoilers for pretty much all of Xenoblade 1:

Dunban was pretty much the retired hero trope played straight. He saved everyone back in the day, but got injured, and now takes a back seat to Shulk while advising him. His most notable flaw would be his compulsion to save everyone despite being in no shape to do so, which was thrown back in his face when Shulk took over during the attack on Colony 9 because he was too weak, and then again when the person he wanted most to protect got killed. A lot of his wrestling with that failure happened off-screen between Colony 9 and when he joins the party later, but he still ends up feeling pretty purposeless, which we see during the scene with Riki on the beach after Sword Valley (which is when Riki cements himself as being the real father figure of the group despite Dunban seeming to fill that role up until then). Most of his development boils down to figuring out who he needs to be now that he's not the hero anymore, especially when Fiora turns out to be alive, but Shulk has already taken over Dunban's job of protecting her (to say nothing of the fact that she's now a nigh-invincible cyborg killing machine who doesn't need much protection).

He's not the most complex character, certainly, but he's also not implausibly perfect. Most of his role in the story consists of him not being good enough to be the hero anymore and just trying his best to be helpful despite that, which is very much not perfection. As far as minor JRPG characters go, I'd say that's enough depth.

But he wasn't, he was still trying to take on the role of "hero of all humans." His reputation prevented him from retiring despite his paralyzed arm, so they just made him able to fight and adventure only using one arm. If he really retired he wouldn't do any fighting.

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adjl posted...

No more so than you can say that about most JRPG characters (which isn't necessarily to say that he's a particularly deep or complex character, just that JRPG characters often don't have all that much depth beyond "I'm a hero!"), including most of the rest of Xenoblade's cast of protagonists.

To me, they all felt human except for Dunban. Reyn is actually one of my favorite game heroes, so it's not like I'm incapable of liking JRPG heroes, it's just that Dunban just seemed pretentious. Unless the idea is to have it seem like he is putting on an act, it's just so unbelievable to me. Shulk was also really JRPG, but he had the whole being possessed by Zanza thing and the Monado to complicate it. Everyone else had flaws. Reyn was reckless, Seven was naive, Melia was insecure, Riki was oblivious, Sharla was overprotective. I'm not dissing them, I'm just saying that they had things wrong with them like actual humans would.

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adjl posted...

That said, Dunban's not an example of this. Like, at all. Not unless you didn't get past the game's opening sequence.

I beat the game. And idk, something about him rubs me the wrong way. Hes just so heroic that it feels fake. Even if we actually lived on Bionis and Xenoblade was real, no person like that could exist if they werent putting on an act.

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EclairReturns posted...

You mean for being a Mary Sue/Gary Stu?

But that implies that the creators want to be that perfect themselves and thats why they made the character. For me, the very existence of such a character pisses me off, and it just makes them feel fake and kind of boring to me.

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Especially when they have a supposed flaw that makes them more perfect. Alita is a good example. The entire Xenoblade board slammed my ass a few days ago for thinking Dunban was annoying, so I wonder if anyone else does this.

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Raining Blood by Slayer

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Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition

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Phantom_Nook posted...

of course not. the worst fanbase is the favorite one of whoever reads my post.

Oh I thought you were making fun of Naruto fan

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Phantom_Nook posted...

your favorite one.

are you trolling?

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bump

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Blightzkrieg posted...

When Obama lost he spent three weeks prowling the white House snapping every single pen in half.

When Trump took office, the staff has to buy whole new pens.

he never lost hed run out of time in office and couldnt run again

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This is a character in a video game, chill. But it didnt even say that people should be ashamed of disfigurement, it said this particular character was ashamed of her burn scars, which probably had more to do with her as a character than the scars in question. Ive never played Assassins Creed but this just seems ridiculous.

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viewmaster_pi posted...

it's safer to do that than make a gay male lead. it's the fictional lesbian trope. people just seem to be more accepting of it

Well if they want to pack all their diversity into one character by making her black, female, and gay at the same time, I dont think theyd be too ashamed of gay male lead.

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John Cena

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tmi bro

but yeah, you should get that checked stat

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topic

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acesxhigh posted...

I would also consider Trivium and Machine Head to be on the lower end. High pitched screams more like Vektor, Skeletonwitch, late-era Death, etc. more of a black metal inspired performance.

Listen to Blood Incantation, they are a success of low growls.

Yeah, good point. I think by higher I meant "not guttural."

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I don't really listen to death metal, I like power and thrash more. Arch Enemy's cool, but the vocals are the same kind of higher scream that I like. Yeah gutturals fit Amon Amarth's style more than high screams or clean vocals, but for example I like Sabaton's cover of Twilight of the Thunder God more than the original.

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Like Kreator, Trivium, Machine Head thrash type stuff. That's my favorite singing style, but the really guttural growls from Cannibal Corpse or something just sound bad to me.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kTGVE8S2nT4

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spray tan

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My cat likes to stand up on two legs and try to convince my family that shes human lol

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Smackems posted...

I would but this site won't let me post pics, bold, list, italicize etc like 50% of the time

So just imagine a chunky pissed off black cat

my spirit animal

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Wariodorf posted...

sauce pls

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Lieutenant Riza Hawkeye from Fullmetal Alchemist


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Fiora from Xenoblade kind of cheating because the armor is part of her body but still cool design


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YugiNoob posted...

Doesn't look like it :3

thats just her mail under the armor

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Airhammy posted...

https://i.imgur.com/6PCjOuS.gif

Happy Gilmore vs that alligator be like:

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she looks like Vegetas crackhead daughter

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Im underage

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Thats criminal ignorance at best and first-degree murder at worst. Its a crime either way.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zx6RXGNISk

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LpC0SKU6O00
second repost

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ScritchOwl posted...

Pretty much never accept because I get modded for items that are not listed it tos all the time.

A few examples were comparing DPRK to Ba Sing Sae with the line "There is no Covid in Ba Sing Sae" To which anyone with half a brain would understand that Ba Sing Sae was a fictional city from the avatar kids show.

Another was me saying that if a person slaps a bear in the face that they will get mauled. That was said I was victim shaming.

Proudest was talking about Invader Zim and that because I posted about the main characters being the 7 sins. Specifically the robot being sloth/gluttony. Got slamed hard with a censor bypass because someone reported me for censor bypassing due to me typing his name. Got a nice little blurb about how censor bypassing is not allowed and that if the full word for a censor bypass is hate speech further actions will be considered hate speech

That gave me the best reward of all my own mod stocker which honestly is like a crappier version of your fbi agent. The mods seem to be angrier than boomers around a skateboarder with green hair.

My god I hate the ToS bad enough and now theyre modding people for things that arent even in there. If you slap a bear in the face you will get mauled. What does victim shaming even mean?

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VioletMassacre posted...

I've only had two moderations, both disputed. I don't really like the new system though.

How did the old system work and how does the current one work? I rarely get modded because I just meme all the time and when Im not Im either sharing cool stuff I found or commenting on other peoples posts.

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I remember watching this when it first came out and thinking it was the coolest thing ever, I watched it again and its still the coolest thing ever.

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Lady had to get her arm amputated, got surgery to remap her nerves, and got the first robotic arm with a sense of touch.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F_brnKz_2tI

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guys I think TCs dead

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can be about anything, just post the memes bois

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CarefreeDude posted...

My first time was so awkward. I was 12 and she was 13 and we watched one of her brothers pornos together and decided to try it

wtf dude

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wait do people have sex in the morning?

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oof

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I believe in equality for women. I do not believe in sexism against men. Im physically female but dont really care about my gender.

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Do vampires have any combat advantage other than sucking blood?

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Choco posted...

For the girl or her crush?

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