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Suprak the Stud posted...

Oh, I totally agree. But in my opinion we should just punt on the second amendment in those states as well. Run anti abortion, pro gun candidates throughout the south. Accept the fact they wont vote with you on those issues, and settle with them agreeing with you half than time rather than none of the time.

Essentially, I want Manchin to be the norm for southern candidates rather than the exception. Those states are going to be anti abortion, pro gun regardless if a republican wins. And I think wed have a great shot of actually being competitive across the south if we punted on certain social issues in the south and ensured we got good progressive candidates in states open to that. I know it sucks, but we simply arent converting these states on the issue of abortion any time soon. Its not ideal, obviously, but I think itd give us the best chance from a practical standpoint.

I think if you have to abandon as simple a human rights issue as abortion, you're pretty much done as a respectable political party. This might be a pretty realistic strategy but it's not worth it.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Obviously I'm talking about human life, not sure why that's worth mentioning

I don't think this is obvious at all, especially when talking about abortion. And "value of life" doesn't imply just humans to me, I'm not sure why it would, that's why I've been consistently clarifying.

foolm0r0n posted...

I dunno why you keep saying this when it directly answers your question. If a fetus is a human life then obviously you can't morally kill it, just like you can't morally kill any other human.

The exceptions are the same too, in the case of self-defense or something, it can be justified. Self-defense for a fetus meaning if it threatens the mother's life or something (rape/incest abortions also morally fall into the self-defense category I think, though it doesn't make much sense).

Tons and tons of people would say that there are cases where you can morally kill people without it being self-defense, especially if we include "I don't want to spend my resources on you even if you'll die as a result" as killing.

For example, under libertarian principles can't you use self-defense to protect yourself from non-lethal harm, protect your property, etc.? Why isn't that same standard applied to abortion?
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Grimmer posted...

Tharja's face looks wrong.

It's off-model for sure but tbh it's kind of an improvement.
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Guess Berkut gets to play with the real cavalry next season lol

I pulled Chrom and a random Clair so I'm happy with this banner.
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greengravy294 posted...

Well Tharja's stat lines are neutered since she's ranged. The other three are more along the lines of inflated stat lines in comparison to armored sword/lance/axe users. Not to say that Tharja is bad, but she's more of the same of units from Halloween basically. She does have armor march and close counter which are super rare fodder, so pulling for her has their merits. I'm sure I might be forgetting that she got a B skill as well.

But for me I want Mr. Dad Chrom or no fucks given Robin

Ah I gotcha. Thanks for the info!

I don't really want any of them but I might pull a bit just for skill fodder.
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I thought Tharja's skills were kinda busted? What makes her less good than the others?
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foolm0r0n posted...

Right because abortion arguments are always about the abstract general rule. When it comes to a specific individual case of abortion, two people who disagree in theory might very well agree on the morals of that case, once they look at all the info.

What I'm saying though is that people's idea of general rule is pretty much entirely decided by when they believe life begins (conception or birth or whatever).

Again though, I don't actually think this is true or we wouldn't see so many people tolerate abortion in the case of rape (or even incest). You might argue this is one of those concrete examples where the general rule breaks down, but to me that implies that the general rule is actually something else. There's definitely a responsibility/punishment angle to it, and also an innocence angle where the fetus hasn't done anything "wrong". And I already mentioned this, but "life" always implies "human life" in these conversations, because it's not like people tolerate parasites because of some belief in life's absolute value.

But that's all sort of beside the point -- I'm more curious about why a libertarian might not see it as immoral to force women to put the needs of a fetus/child (whenever they believe life begins -- it shouldn't matter to this hypothetical) ahead of their own bodily autonomy.
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foolm0r0n posted...

You're wrong then. Basically everyone cares about life, especially in the abstract/theoretical sense. In concrete examples they can pretty easily forget the value of life though.

Okay my bad, that's not what I meant by abstract (and the word was probably chosen poorly tbh). I see what you're saying and my point was basically "no one really cares about life if they can so easily forget its value in concrete examples".

I don't think this actually changes you calling me wrong though...?
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Might & Magic: Clash of Heroes stands out to me. It's a match-3 style puzzle game/TBS game mix, where the things you're matching are your units, and how you match them determines what they do (attack, create defenses, etc). The campaign's whatever but it's a great multiplayer game if you can find someone who knows how to play it.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Ok so given that you value life, it depends on when life begins. If you don't care about life then it's also a moot argument because of course you're just gonna go with whatever your judgment is. Can't argue any morals there.

I don't think there are many people who care about life - even specifically human life - in this abstract, self-sacrificing way you seem to be describing.
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HashtagSEP posted...

That theyre ruining our children because there would be nothing to stop them from being forced to read gay thoughts

I expect that sort of thing to be argued as "pornographic" under this bill
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AfroSquirrel posted...

Where did I say that? How did I confuse so many people with that post?

reading hard

posting easy
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Shaduln posted...

So just to confirm, if this were to pass, I could tell Vlado to go kill himself and gamefaqs couldn't mod me for it?

No because it arbitrarily only applies to sites with a high market share, presumably because they realized going any further is an even more insane violation of property rights.
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That my beliefs/argument depend on when life begins.

I don't even think it's a meaningful category or relevant, really.
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foolm0r0n posted...

100% of abortion arguments come down to whether you believe life begins at conception or not, and this one is no different.

this actually is not true of me at all and I can't figure out why it would be for libertarians who don't believe in a general imperative to care for others, either
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If you're pregnant, are you required to spend your own money to make sure your fetus is delivered successfully/healthily?
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SmartMuffin posted...

Like, say someone rings your doorbell and runs away and on the step is a newborn baby. Technically speaking you have no obligation here. But if you just shrug and close the door and let it die, you're still a huge dick and I'm going to shun you as if you were a murderer.

This is 100% how I feel about health care and letting someone die because they can't pay, including in your desert island scenario.
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Plenty of people who would rather take no afterlife over the possibility of a bad afterlife (myself included).

But it's hard to be like "oh yeah even if Eternal Paradise existed I wouldn't want it"
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star wars is the most beloved it's been since the 80s, what in the world are you talking about
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greengravy294 posted...

That was unintentional to make a comment on art twice with the same thing kinda said

you're not wrong though
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SmartMuffin posted...

well then maybe corporations aren't so bad given that without them you'd literally be fucking dead

maybe governments aren't so bad given that without paying them you'd be in jail

really makes you think
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I wouldn't but that's also not what we're talking about.

Anyway if it's so easy hmu with that game plan bruh
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can't be any dumber than a post pretending it's super easy to just stop supporting corporations, immediately followed by "well the ones i personally don't like, and really not even then"
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HotDogButts posted...

you didn't ask anything you just said something really dumb

already fixed mate but thanks for the heads up!
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SantaRPidgey posted...

I haven't paid a dime to any corporation I've found unethical since 2010 (besides visa, of whom I've cut a bit of money from, but haven't cut off completely)

its super easy and I haven't seen any drop in quality of life

that's great for you and also not really relevant
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SantaRPidgey posted...

One you can voluntarily stop funding without being put in jail

Being in jail might be preferable to not "funding" any corporations anymore for the rest of your life.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Like, seriously, maybe in all these arguments where you guys loudly insist that "the state" is more moral, just, and fair than Comcast, you consider replacing the words "the state" with "Donald Trump" and see if you still feel that way?

wasn't a huge part of trump's platform about running the US like a business
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leaves
Pilgrims
cornucopias
Indian corn
Decorative squash
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he never did so really nothing's changed
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SmartMuffin posted...

Your "right" to life only implies that nobody else can kill you.

Who gets to define what counts as killing?
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SmartMuffin posted...

You don't have the right to free speech on my property. Nobody has ever tried to claim so.

Tons of people try to claim this all the time. It's essentially the whole argument of people that hate "PC culture".
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Johnbobb posted...

are you guys honestly trying to argue logic with smartmuffin?

He's at least internally consistent (well he was before he went full alt-right). If you had to pick a self-identified conservative on this board to argue logic with, SmartMuffin's really not a bad choice.
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StealThisSheen posted...

By that logic, literally every job is "slavery"

SmartMuffin dangerously close to stumbling onto communist theory
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Tom Bombadil posted...

SmartMuffin posted...

1000x more pleasant to deal with than the state

I'd take state over comcast actually

100%

Also there's no major state ISP so I'm not sure where this comparison is even coming from.
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MysticBrohan posted...

Kenri posted...

MysticBrohan posted...

can you really have a right that requires the service of others?

Tons of rights require this on some level or another though, health care isn't exactly an exception.

like what?

Right to an attorney and to a jury of your peers, for instance. In a less direct sense, any rights to non-discrimination ultimately end up forcing others to serve you.

Though you may not agree those are rights in, like, the philosophical sense.
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MysticBrohan posted...

can you really have a right that requires the service of others?

Tons of rights require this on some level or another though, health care isn't exactly an exception.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Kenri posted...

SmartMuffin posted...

You want fewer people to be rich

Did I stutter??

Nope. Nice to see someone actually admit it for a change though. Most socialists lie and pretend like their preferred policies would make the poor rich, rather than admit that no, they'd prefer the rich to be poor instead.

It's all relative anyway so it amounts to about the same.
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SmartMuffin posted...

You want fewer people to be rich

Did I stutter??
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SmartMuffin posted...

Generally speaking, you want to tax things that are bad in order to get less of them.

basically my argument for why we should tax the rich!
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SmartMuffin posted...

Progressivism is literally less popular than child rape.

This a pretty big indictment of America if true.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Why do we need to respond to stupid Corrik posts with other stupid posts

Am I supposed to waste smart posts on him???

Also I didn't respond to Corrik.
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are you upset he's not retweeting rightist anti-capitalist propaganda like you or what?
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CelesMyUserName posted...

taking a human life is many steps below imperfection

yeah but police have a job that's almost as dangerous as pizza delivery so we should forgive them for murdering people for no reason
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Usable items:

5. Ninis' Grace (FE7) is broken as hell. +10 DEF/RES for one turn basically makes a unit invincible. The only drawback is that you can't dance normally on the same turn.
4. Silver Card. Half-price everything? Yes please lmao get rekt Adam Smith.
3. Delphi/Fili/Iote's Shield. Haha, get fucked archers and your one marginal use-case.
2. Knight Ring (FE4/FE9). Gives any character Canto, letting them use the rest of their move after taking an action. Canto's one of the most useful skills in the series so being able to give it to anyone is incredible.
1. Boots. Holy shit, +2 movement is so good that these are like the most coveted item in any game they appear in. They can singlehandedly make a character go from bad to good or from good to outstanding.
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Cybat posted...

Best integrations of gameplay & story (e.g. Battle Before Dawn in FE7)

5. FE10 Part 3-Final. The countdown clock until Ashera awakens from too much war is a pretty cool, if simple, mechanic that lets you feel like you actually had a role in what happens, for better or worse.
4. FE9, escaping from the Black Knight at port. I think this has ended up as one of the most iconic chapters in the series just because, unlike most other escape chapters, you really, really cannot fight the Black Knight. You can't even really stall him without the help of Sephiran.
3. FE10 Part 2-Final. Aside from being really easy, this chapter does a great job conveying an actual defense against a siege, better than any other defend chapter I think.
2. FE7 Battle Before Dawn. I hope this isn't a cop-out but yeah, credit where it's due here. I couldn't think of many examples of better storytelling through gameplay in FE than this one.
1. FE4 Chapter 5. This is the end of the first half of the game, and man does it do a lot of on-map storytelling. Quan and Ethlyn's death, receiving the Tyrfing, all the conversations between lovers and friends, Aida's forces turning green... You can tell SOMETHING's up but you don't know what it is until you get there, so you just have to press on.

HM: Shinon getting the Provoke skill just because everyone thinks he's a fucking prick.

Child characters:

I have a strong dislike for most of them but there are a few good ones!

5. Fae (FE6). Well, you gave me the exception so I'll use it. Adorable lil murderchicken. Fae's super cute. I liked her better when she was called Fa though.
4. Yuliya (FE12). She's a brat but I like her and only hate her brother. I liked her better when she was called Yumina though.
3. Ewan (FE8). Ewan's the "swears he's already a grown-up" archetype but somehow his enthusiasm is endearing instead of annoying.
2. Sanaki. Uh, probably not the typical child character but she does have a lot of the same traits, especially in FE9 where she's more tempestuous.
1. Nino. Definitely the best. She's very childish in some ways and not at all in others, but it makes sense and works because it ties into her upbringing.

HMs: Definitely not Dew (FE4) and Elise (Fates), who we assure you are adults.

Lopen posted...

Great Thief list. I'd give Matthew the nod over Volke but those are definitely my top 2 easily, and Legault/Jaffar would also be in the top 5.

Yeah I kind of regret not putting Matthew at #1 but oh well, I like Volke better in a lot of ways even if he's a less complex character.

Raka_Putra posted...

Yeah I heard Fates' is atrocious.

I'm a bit disappointed there's so very few old female characters compared to old men...

From what I understand the Japanese script isn't really any better, but I don't have the language skills to confirm or deny that.

And yeah we definitely need more older women. There are plenty of characters it would have made sense for if they had wanted to (Reina, Isadora, Echidna, etc) but I guess old ladies just aren't marketable enough.
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FBike1 posted...

Moral of the story: Don't wear ridiculously baggy pants. Not only do they make you look like an idiot, they can get you killed.

good take, i hope you're okay with getting murdered personally cuz someone doesn't like your t-shirt or something
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Death scenes:

Okay gonna try to avoid just going FE4 down ticket here but man oh man that game has some good death scenes.

5. (FE9) Greil. A duel at midnight against an impossibly powerful, mysterious knight? Sounds like a good time. It was pretty obvious Greil wasn't surviving this fight, but they kept it well done regardless.
4. (FE12) Clarisse. I did not expect to care about this character but her death scene suddenly makes her like a 100x more interesting, which tbh is VERY HARD TO PULL OFF so I'm gonna give 'em credit here.
3. (FE7) Leila. Oof, this one hurts, particularly because of Matthew's reaction and the fact that you'll probably come to really like Jaffar later. Leila's death was a BIG plot twist for me as a kid because it seemed so obvious she'd be playable later. Nope!
2. (Awakening) Emmeryn. What a spectacular death scene, as in it's actually a spectacle. This is the most FE has ever made me care about the parental figure's obligatory death.
1. (FE4) Quan and Ethlyn. Part of what FE4 did so well was make a lot of deaths happen during gameplay. I hate it. It's like they figured out the exact formula to making you, the player, feel impotent as your favorite characters die. In this case, a bunch of cavaliers get swarmed in the desert by dracoknights, which is Unfortunate at best.

Dishonorable mention: Every death scene in Fates. Every single one without exception. All bad. (Actually I never beat Revelation so MAYBE not but their track record is not good.)

Old people:

The best sort of people?? Not gonna count any "secretly a billion years old but looks 13" people for this.

5. Mycen (2/Echoes). Haven't beat Echoes yet so this might change but Mycen is a pretty damn cool old dude. Also he looks not bad for his age.
4. Bantu (FE1/etc). He's a billion years old but at least he looks it. Bantu's a terrible unit but he's pretty cool as just an old manakete fuck.
3. Nealuchi (FE10). I love this dumb old crow. He's one of the few people who Naesala just can't get under the skin of (quite the opposite). He's kind of useless but that's par for the course with non-royal laguz in Radiant Dawn.
2. Niime (FE6). She might be the only older lady in any FE game?? Unless you REALLY stretch "older" so people in their 30s count. She's super cool from the moment she shows up though, when she ruins one of Bern's plans singlehandedly after warning them in advance that she was going to.
1. Jagen. Accept no substitutions. Somehow, he's even cooler in FE12 where he isn't playable. "I, Jagen, may be old and senile, but I'll not lose to the likes of you!"

HM: Renault, who is old but just doesn't look old enough.

Top 5 translations:

5. Echoes??
4. FE7
3. Awakening
2. FE10
1. FE8

I don't really have a good way of judging this or particularly strong opinions about it... I know that Fates had some issues (though tbh they were given a shite script to work with so I'm not gonna blame 'em) and Path of Radiance had some weird mistakes. FE7 would be higher but they made some major mistakes with names in the secretest chapters.
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Wants for FE4 remake:
5. Rebalancing, particularly wrt movement. A lack of movement made some characters unusable in FE4 and that needs to be addressed if they remake it, cuz there's already not much unit variety.
4. Refined maps. Some chapters just slog because you're spending tons of time moving, especially through harsh terrain. I'd want to see big chunks of those portions removed or made more interesting.
3. Expanded lover dialogue/platonic supports. Especially for the kids, who are less developed to begin with.
2. Sidequests. I don't think you can really add to the main plot in a meaningful way, but it'd be cool to have more content in the way of gaiden chapters. I think they'd have to be smaller scale, but that could even be a nice change of pace.
1. Keep it faithful, particularly in regards to the plot. I don't want ways to save characters that die or for the plot's darker parts to be censored. I don't think they can realistically do this, though, which is why I kind of fear the eventual FE4 remake.

Supports:
5. Alm/Faye (Echoes) - This might be recency bias, but I really liked the conclusion to this support. Faye actually comes out with it and admits her feelings to Alm and he turns her down gently and they keep being friends. It's weird that Faye is way more mature than Cordelia, who looks much older, but hey.
4. Dart/Karel (7) - This is all about Dart talking up the strongest people on the continent, while Karel points out he's already killed them all. Eventually Dart gets to describing the Sword Demon, only to realize the Karel he's talking to is THE Karel and flip out. It does some good world-building and it definitely makes Karel seem impressive.
3. Serra/Oswin (7) - This one stands out to me just because the two bounce off each other really well. Oswin seems like one of the few people who can really get to Serra, and Serra is uniquely suited to driving Oswin crazy, but the ending is still really cute and sweet.
2. Renault/Lucius (7) - This is a really, really good support for fleshing out Renault as a character, and Lucius is of course a class act in the conclusion.
1. Jill/Lethe (9) - Oof, I was debating Jill/Mist and Jill/Lethe here. Jill is one of my favorite characters for how realistically she deals with unlearning all the garbage she picked up in Daein. Her supports with Lethe are great because Jill's development all happens outside the support, so it can be shown rather than just told. It seems obvious to me that Lethe didn't really expect to get through to Jill and was just chewing her out expecting it to prove that she was a pretender -- only to be impressed later by Jill's resolve. This support's as much about Lethe changing as a character as it is about Jill.

asdfslhkfjlsgf this is definitely wrong but those supports are jumping out to me right now.

fedorafreak posted...

The FE7 Thieves are incredible. Matthew, Jaffar, and Legault are all well-written characters.

I think it helps that none of them are straight up thieves. Being spies/assassins makes them way more interesting.

Raka_Putra posted...

Yep it was a BDSM thing lol. Fun choices!

My only regret is that I wish I had made a Petsuna pun.

Cybat posted...

Yessss FE7 thieves and Volke. They just don't make thieves like they used to. Ninjas and Outlaws are cool and all but it's just not the same.

I like Niles but yeah he can't compare.
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Abortion Jones and the Temple of Doomed Fetuses
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Lopen posted...

That being said she doesn't have great res, only has 2 move, and probably isn't running Distant Counter so I can usually play around her without a ton of effort.

This is how I feel too. I can see her being monstrous if controlled by a human but the AI is so bad that infantry without DC or CC are usually sitting ducks.
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